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Dan Dakich re: Bill Self
- Thread starter KneeBurns
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there seems to be this myth that the ncaa can’t enforce its own rules within its own jurisdiction. are they selective? yes. do they only care about money? yes. are they hypocritical? yes. but this isn’t like unc or psu where the successful arguments were made that the ncaa overstepped its jurisdiction.
this seems to be (from ku point of view) about evidence. where’s the evidence? it’s public. whether the fbi turns over anything or not. what was said and heard in the courtroom is public knowledge irregardless of the decision, not affecting that specific case. the ncaa is a private organization that make their own decisions and can use what evidence they want, even a single person or piece of paper. they don’t need to possess the recordings. since when did the ncaa need fbi tapes to enforce its own rules within its own jurisdiction?
unless someone in government is going to rewrite ncaa policy then ku has no case here. history tells us that when it comes to sports our government rather not even be involved. and lonely ku is going to make them flip their own script? it will take longer only because ku decided to immediately back self, without enough time to even know where they should be standing. so they’re forced to fight it out. any lawyer could make them think they have a case. but a successful one would be an insane level of precedent that in some regards would render the ncaa useless. and i don’t think govt wants to fill that void and be responsible for their chores.
ku’s only hope is the ncaa not wanting to peruse. getting mixed signals of that in light of the news today even though the meaning of delayed response times was apparently for the ncaa’s clarity. this much we do know. kansas cheats.
this seems to be (from ku point of view) about evidence. where’s the evidence? it’s public. whether the fbi turns over anything or not. what was said and heard in the courtroom is public knowledge irregardless of the decision, not affecting that specific case. the ncaa is a private organization that make their own decisions and can use what evidence they want, even a single person or piece of paper. they don’t need to possess the recordings. since when did the ncaa need fbi tapes to enforce its own rules within its own jurisdiction?
unless someone in government is going to rewrite ncaa policy then ku has no case here. history tells us that when it comes to sports our government rather not even be involved. and lonely ku is going to make them flip their own script? it will take longer only because ku decided to immediately back self, without enough time to even know where they should be standing. so they’re forced to fight it out. any lawyer could make them think they have a case. but a successful one would be an insane level of precedent that in some regards would render the ncaa useless. and i don’t think govt wants to fill that void and be responsible for their chores.
ku’s only hope is the ncaa not wanting to peruse. getting mixed signals of that in light of the news today even though the meaning of delayed response times was apparently for the ncaa’s clarity. this much we do know. kansas cheats.
The NCAA has plenty on Kansas and remember the NCAA is not a court of law. They don't have to have the same evidence to convict someone as in a court of law. They are a private organization that Kansas joined willingly and agreed to abide by NCAA rules. The NCAA can arbitrarily decide who and when to punish its members. Good luck in winning this one.
The NCAA isn’t bound by anything. They’re not putting together a criminal prosecution. They don’t have to prove anything. They never proved Rose didn’t take his own SAT. How did that turn out? They do, however, have proof of KU’s dirty dealings in text messages. KU is going down. There’s simply no alternative outcome.
Kansas fans: We'll be fine. This has no affect on us.
Also Kansas fans: .. Wait, Kentucky has FOUR recruits for 2020? How many do we have?
Also Kansas fans: .. Wait, Kentucky has FOUR recruits for 2020? How many do we have?
That's what's so bizarre. Kansas fans have resorted to child-like antics of stomping their feet and denying. Like someone trying to argue that the sky isn't blue out of spite.
.. and they do this all while Kansas proves it's blue-blood status is more and more in doubt. They are getting ran circles around by Duke, UK and UNC.. and all they can say is "We'll be fine, keep wishing".. meanwhile, every other big program is like "ha, ok then."
We all know your program is in shambles. Just admit you're in a damn down period already. Who are you trying to fool?
.. and they do this all while Kansas proves it's blue-blood status is more and more in doubt. They are getting ran circles around by Duke, UK and UNC.. and all they can say is "We'll be fine, keep wishing".. meanwhile, every other big program is like "ha, ok then."
We all know your program is in shambles. Just admit you're in a damn down period already. Who are you trying to fool?
If KU was smart theyd hire UNC lawyers and have Dukies do an internal investigation. Of course, that wont happen because if they were smart they wouldnt have text messages floating around and years and years of evidence.
Was thinking the same thing. Sounds exactly like them. Lol. Deny deny deny!! Defend at all cost! Lmao! Hate to tell you KU fans but shites about to hit the fan. Sounds like the NCAA to set an example of Self
I guess you thought you were making a case in favor of Self and KU, but you didn't succeed. Because, that quote is correct. There has to be more, and there is. Anybody think the NCAA is going to be multiple allegations, including LOIC over that one quote?
LOL, ok. You guys are in total control. Right where you wanna be, right? Poor Kansas. Such a victim. Being forced to take blue chip player after blue chip player. Why didn't someone put a stop to such cruelty?
I'll believe Kansas "is going down" when I see it. The same people saying that have been saying the same things about other schools FOR YEARS. It's just not going to happen, regardless of the evidence put there.
Didn’t KU get noticed with three level one violations? If so, what is the likelihood that is all the “NCAA’s got?” I think we can look at court proceedings and reported news and figure out there is more. Right?
Kentucky fans say EVERYONE cheats. (Except Kentucky of course lollers)
I strongly dispute your assertion the NCAA has no oversight and isn’t bound by US law. That is wrong.
Once again: posters here say the NCAA already has enough. You’re saying they have more but we don’t know. Which is it?
The NCAA does not send a NOA to schools when they have nothing on them. Maybe you should look at Louisville. How did that work out for Louisville? Kansas is getting ready to be hit hard.
True. And he isn’t alone in that. A lot of our own fans display this same lack of comprehension here all the time.
Kansas is in big trouble. If you look at the NCAA language, these allegations involve multiple sports programs at Kansas. This is a broad notification, addressing a laundry list of violations. The NCAA has the goods. This will take time to play out, but Self gets nailed this time.
The NCAA likely would not have chosen to go after a program as prestigious as Kansas with allegations as serious as these unless it felt like it had a strong case. NCAA Bylaw 11.1.1.1 states that if a Level I or II violation is alleged, it is presumed that the head coach is responsible for the actions that occurred. On all three of the Level I allegations levied against Self, the NCAA indicated that a hearing panel could enter a show-cause penalty against him, effectively ending his tenure at the university.
I said exactly what I meant. Do you have a degree from KU?
I forgot to add a lot of vacated wins, that’ll happen too.
I hope a degree from KU means more than one from UNC.
How many Ky fans do you know ?
I guess zero, now run along and try and make someone else believe the stupid crap you spew .
It's a Witch Hunt.....lol lol
Good luck but the wicked witch of the west is dead.
What programs do you believe don’t cheat? This is your chance to personally correct my misguided assumption. Lay it on me.
The only one I am concerned with is pure as the driven snow UK! Kansas cheats Next question
Looking at what NCAA did to Ga Tech it looks really bad for Kansas. Your whole body will burn not just you knees.
If the NCAA is consistent they will allow Kansas to take back the admission Grassnola was a booster since they
Allowed UNC to take back their admission their classes were fake in order to let them off on the theory that the NCAA doesn’t want to determine which classes are fake .
Again let me stress UNC had admitted they were fake . So the NCAA did not have to determine that they were .
And the sleezy bastards in the NCAA let them take back an admission to fashion an argument to get them off the hook . Pathetic conduct on the NCAA’s part . Just corrupt and pathetic.
I would think the more important question is How many get caught ? And how many when they do get caught, set back and deny, point fingers, and blame someone else. I know a couple right off hand. I think you do to.
Who knows? What we do know is that Bill Self has cheated for so long that he felt comfortable enough to talk to a convicted felon representing Adidas about getting him players and that his assistant was bold enough to be caught on tape saying Kansas is willing to pay whatever necessary to get Zion. That looks like Self has created an environment that cheating is routine.
So you are admitting it.
Good for you that is the first step to coming to grips with the bad ha ha situation kU is in.
Kentucky fans say EVERYONE cheats. (Except Kentucky of course lollers)
knee burns I'm a KY fan and I've never said that everyone cheats. I heard several u of l fans say that.
knee burns I'm a KY fan and I've never said that everyone cheats. I heard several u of l fans say that.
Maybe Kansas followed the UNC plan and paid a few regular students along with the basketball recruits. The NCAA will say let's just move on. Nothing to see here.
I know a few also. He has been talking to louisville fans. They said the same thing when they got caught. Stop kneeburns that didn't work for them.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...he-ncaa-going-to-punish-bill-self-and-kansas/
interest listen even if it is Gary Parrish and Norlander.
interest listen even if it is Gary Parrish and Norlander.
the ncaa is the oversight for its members. you really didn’t know that? tell me, which schools disputing violations are running to congress? [winking]
What does Kansas expect? After what seems like a yearly event to see who gets eligible after family members, coaches, etc...being accused of pay to play, then it would of been shocking that they didn't get caught. No way are you winning recruiting battles for all these players on the take and you not being one of the programs involved in pay for play.