Dan and the DC position ..

[BiscuitEater]

MSU just does not seem to be able to keep a DC longer than 2 years. We are now on our 7th (if you count Manny as 2x) DC since 2009. I'm glad that Sirmon has departed and many are saying that the D has made major strides. Seems like this staff had developed some good chemistry and recruiting definitely seems to be improved (yea, the OM 'troubles' have helped). And, I fully understand that no staff stays the same for long. But, really think we could develop our D way better with more defensive continuity.

Any chance Grantham sticks around longer that most? Does Dan drive them away?

2009 Carl Torbush
2010 Manny Diaz (#1)
2011 Chris Wilson
2012 Chris Wilson
2013 Geoff Collins
2014 Geoff Collins
2015 Manny Diaz (#2) (Tweet to Bonner .. Diaz when MSU hired him a year ago: "This is the last defensive coordinator position that I ever want to take. This is it.")
2016 Peter Sirmon
2017 Todd Grantham

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Torbush, Diaz and Sirmon, not really qualified, or past prime.

And Dan is demanding.

JMO.

 

[shotgunDawg]

I think it helps that Grantham has a son on the Starkville football team and he's only a sophomore.

Many coaches like for their kids to attend 1 high school, so that at least has to help.

 

[Shamoan]

retread on the decline, project that worked, project that worked, project that worked, project that was a catastrophe, proven successful coach. i think he will be here to stay as long as mullen does.

 

[aTotal360]

And that SHS is freaking loaded. They could win it allthis year and are poised to be in good shape next year. I'm sure the Granthams will enjoy the success.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Could you count Collins for 4 years? Wasn't he Co with Wilson?

 

[Apoplectic_Objurgator]

I'm hoping the cohen factor now ensures we get what we pay for with coaches.

 

[johnson86-1]

Any chance Grantham sticks around longer that most? Does Dan drive them away?

Grantham is the first DC that has had the experience/reputation/credibility that he can tell Dan to 17 off if he is overbearing. I think the only coach Dan has run off that he shouldn't was Geoff Collins.

Maybe he should have done more to keep Manny Diaz on the second go round considering we replaced him with peter 17ing sirmon, but I don't think Diaz was performing all that well.

Hopefully Dan has learned from the COllins situation and getting stuck with Sirmon and he will be more appreciate of Grantham and give him the autonomy that makes him want to stay. I don't think it will require a ton of learning on Mullen's part though because I think Grantham came in with Mullen's complete respect.

 

[HueFreeze]

has anyone excelled since they left...

 

[DancingRabbit]

Coaches move a lot. I give Dan a pass on most everything but hiring Sirmon.

Maybe he's been hard to work for, but I'm sure Dan has learned a lot over the years.

Way back when, our budget dictated hiring re-treads or young up and comers. Nice to see we can spend some money now and hopefully see great defense and more stability.

Dan's done OK putting a respectable defense on the field most years. But that Sirmon hire tho

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Yep, more or less.

And now HC at Temple.

 

[engie]

has anyone excelled since they left...

Both Diaz and Collins have yet to field a single non-elite defense since they left recently. Diaz's will likely be very salty this year, while I suspect Collins will have a tough build on his hands as a head coach.

Grantham feels like the first real stability to me at the DC position in Mullen's tenure here. Maybe it's faux, we will see. Paying real money no one is going to outbid us on(overpaid per production probably). Was the 4th highest paid assistant in the FBS last year at Louisville and had another two years guaranteed. He likes our talent level a lot better than he liked theirs and has the type of alpha personality to mesh with Mullen to really give us a run IMO. Of course, those types usually work together great for awhile then fall apart spectacularly as well(Jackie/JoeLee). At least Grantham knows when it's time on these jobs.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Both Diaz and Collins have yet to field a single non-elite defense since they left recently. Diaz's will likely be very salty this year, while I suspect Collins will have a tough build on his hands as a head coach.

Collin's defense way 'underperformed' last year when one considerers the sheer talent he had to work with. SEVEN players were drafted off that defense last year.

 

[aTotal360]

UF ranked 116th (out of 128) in total offense last year. Despite that, their defense was ranked 5th in total defense. They were elite.

 

[Shamoan]

this guy gets it.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

Didn't Collins escort himself out? I know nothing on contracts, when they happen, etc. But, if he had shown up in that Egg Bowl would we have made an appealing, possibly matching, offer if that could've gotten us a playoff bid? This may be wrong, but in my mind he obviously didn't give a **** or do anything the week prior, he was already in Gainesville mentally.

 

[RocketDawg]

Didn't Collins escort himself out? I know nothing on contracts, when they happen, etc. But, if he had shown up in that Egg Bowl would we have made an appealing, possibly matching, offer if that could've gotten us a playoff bid? This may be wrong, but in my mind he obviously didn't give a **** or do anything the week prior, he was already in Gainesville mentally.

And wasn't he basically the reason we lost the Orange Bowl to Georgia Tech? We played them basically without a DC ... he was already gone.

 

[Dogariffic]

Grantham's son had a pick six in the last Starkville game. I think he hangs around for awhile....

 

[HD6]

Fifth nationally in total defense and sixth nationally in scoring defense isn't elite? Tough crowd.