Dakich solution for NCAA and cheaters

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Dakich is quality when he isn't trying to be a do hard troll. I feel like a lifetime ban for the first major violation is awfully steep, though I'd have to see what all would be considered major violations under that "proposal." That's like saying someone who commits their first felony should be tossed in prison for life or something like that, not all felonies are the same.
 

hotelblue

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well he’s right about one thing. everyone is tired of the “student athlete” ********. they still run commercials showing lacrosse players in chemistry class. meanwhile there’s scandals all over the place. the best part is the money they get to play the commercial almost certainly comes from tv deals featuring major sports from major conferences. americans don’t like being asked to buy a marketing scheme that hinges on the idea that we the audience must be complete fools to buy in to any part of it.
 

OHIO COLONEL

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There needs to be a rule when we play during conference play. dakich, Walton, and Gus Johnson must call all of our games. I would like to also include Andy Kennedy, and jimmy dykes as alternates or sideline reporters. They are the best ones.
Will Kennedy and Dykes have to wear blonde wigs?
 

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I'm glad he pointed out the absurd risk vs. reward ratio for cheating now. Coaches know:

1) The reward for cheating is measured in the millions of dollars. Coach compensation today is measured almost entirely by how much he wins. And:

2) You almost certainly won't get caught. Even if you do, you can usually deny your way out of it. And, even if you can't, you'll merely be out for a couple seasons but back in high demand soon enough.

We live in a cutthroat capitalist society. Which means coaches ain't gonna be deterred from cheating until the financial risks begin to outweigh the rewards. Right now that ain't even remotely close to happening.
 
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seccats04

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I'm glad he pointed out the absurd risk vs. reward ratio for cheating now. Coaches know:

1) The reward for cheating is measured in the millions of dollars. Coach compensation today is measured almost entirely by how much he wins. And:

2) You almost certainly won't get caught. Even if you do, you can usually deny your way out of it. And, even if you can't, you'll merely be out for a couple seasons but back in high demand soon enough.

We live in a cutthroat capitalist society. Which means coaches ain't gonna be deterred from cheating until the financial risks begin to outweigh the rewards. Right now that ain't even remotely close to happening.
Unless a couple of these head coaches in the FBI scandal go to prison then you're probably right, there's very little deterrent. Too much money involved not to cheat. The current system under the NCAA is powerless. Just lawyer up and don't cooperate and the NCAA can't do anything about it because they are not law enforcement and don't have subpoena powers. Or in Duke's case you can get borderline-eligible players cleared in one week at one of the most prestigious academic schools in America and 'hide' his parents in a million dollar home or sign the #1 player this year that was being shopped around and his parents also living in a million dollar home and the sackless NCAA won't even look into it.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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That's like saying broccoli is the best vegetable.

Who's better? I like Jimmy Dykes but he gets way off the subject of games too often, Bilas is always about some preplanned rant to shove down viewers throats, Raftery needed to retire 3 years ago and it's unbearable, Vitale? LOL Could be a few out there that are better but just want to hear who they are.
 

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Dan and I are probably very different, but I loved it. He’s right, it is all about the money. Despite being an IU guy he’s become one of my favs.

It’s like the commercials, most who play NCAA sports do it for the love of sport, and will find their way through life without ever making a penny on the sport(s) they love. But the high end of college basketball and football is about one thing. $ We all know it.
 
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Didn't read the article.

Was it lay back and enjoy it?
 

hotelblue

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the ncaa’s marketing should be about athletes at major schools getting lifetime scholarships and have former players talking about the benefit of this outside basketball. pretty soon stuff will all be online anyway. encourage players to finish school during or after their pro careers and pour money into the transition departments.

this would be honest, encourage education while still selling a new “student athlete” idea that involves now “professional student athletes”. they should be thanking them and using some as role models after sports just like they do with their commercials featuring division three players that don’t make money for the system.
 
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CalsKittens

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Dakich is quality when he isn't trying to be a do hard troll. I feel like a lifetime ban for the first major violation is awfully steep, though I'd have to see what all would be considered major violations under that "proposal." That's like saying someone who commits their first felony should be tossed in prison for life or something like that, not all felonies are the same.
Loosing your job due to violations is normal for 95% of working America. Makes perfect sense to me. Your prison rhetoric is way left of center.
 
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Dakich is a standup guy he learned from the great one...the man they called the general.
 

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I'm glad he pointed out the absurd risk vs. reward ratio for cheating now. Coaches know:

1) The reward for cheating is measured in the millions of dollars. Coach compensation today is measured almost entirely by how much he wins. And:

2) You almost certainly won't get caught. Even if you do, you can usually deny your way out of it. And, even if you can't, you'll merely be out for a couple seasons but back in high demand soon enough.

We live in a cutthroat capitalist society. Which means coaches ain't gonna be deterred from cheating until the financial risks begin to outweigh the rewards. Right now that ain't even remotely close to happening.
If your action causes my company to lose money for several years, that's not capitalism. That's a bad employee.
 
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Loosing your job due to violations is normal for 95% of working America. Makes perfect sense to me. Your prison rhetoric is way left of center.
Depends on the industry and what the "major" violation is. Some of what the NCAA calls major can be pretty lame, like a coach handing a kid a $5 one time to pay for a cab ride could be a major violation. Are we really going to support banning a guy for life for that, for example?
 

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Dakich’s point about banning coaches is kind of worthless without a little bit of detail on what he considers to be a major vs a secondary violation.

More importantly, I think Dakich misses the point a bit here. The problem with coaches isn’t so much that the penalties are too light. The problem is the difficulty in gathering the evidence necessary to prove that a coach knowingly and intentionally committed major violations.

I would argue that when coaches intentionally commit major violations today, they already are effectively receiving lifetime bans. Guys like Clem Haskins never get a shot at returning to Division I coaching once they’re caught. The problem is simply catching them in the first place. Dakich offers no solution for that fundamental problem.

And simply removing the “student athlete” non-sense may help the NCAA avoid charges of hypocrisy, but it will do nothing to stem the tide of agent / sneaker money being directed towards elite prospects.
 
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Cindog28

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Depends on the industry and what the "major" violation is. Some of what the NCAA calls major can be pretty lame, like a coach handing a kid a $5 one time to pay for a cab ride could be a major violation. Are we really going to support banning a guy for life for that, for example?
A $5 cab ride isn't a major violation and all NCAA coaches know the rules.

If you break it... You buy it. I support Dakich's idea.