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QuaoarsKing said:
The fact that we're citing a mural from some no-name artist who doesn't even have a Wikipedia page as the "backlash" suggests that there is very little backlash.
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Dak was asked about it again by reporters at Cowboys practice in context of him receiving criticism. It's clearly a thing. It's one of ESPN's top headlines, Shannon Sharpe blasted him on ESPN, there are memes all over the internet implying that he's Uncle Tom. If you want to argue that the backlash is coming from people that don't matter, I agree, but when this was first brought up on these boards some people were calling the backlash #fakenews and saying only twitter bots were saying anything about it.
 
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That's fine, and contrary to some, I really don't have any animosity towards Kaepernick. He felt strongly about something, he protested during a time when it wasn't at all popular, and I can at least respect the fact that he sought out some other opinions about how to go about it.

That said, the argument that it's not intended to disrespect this country or its people just doesn't hold water for me. If I were to barge in on a Sunday morning sermon and start screaming about gun control, I can't go into an interview stating that my intent wasn't to disrespect the church when my actions did exactly that. Furthermore, if I then talk to someone about it and decide that next Sunday, I'm just going to sit down in front of the pulpit rather than scream, yeah... it's better than causing a ruckus, but I'm still being completely disrespectful to everyone in the congregation.

I'm not here to argue whether social injustice is a real thing or what should be done about it. I just know that there are a billion other ways to go about it respectfully and more effectively than drawing attention to one's self during a meaningful moment like the national anthem. I'm also extremely irritated that someone such as our own Dak Prescott would be ridiculed for having his own opinion about the matter rather than "falling in line".
 
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Using the Uncle Tom card has now become as ridiculous, insulting, and meaningless as the race card.
 
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Side question....why the hell is somebody who is, presumably, illegally defacing public or private property not only NOT being arrested, but also being given a platform by the media to advertise his illicit activities?
 
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I could personally care less if anyone stands, kneels, does a cartwheel, or anything else, but an employer certainly has a right to restrict your speech when you are on the clock. And as an employee, you are free to walk away from the job. This is a free society, so you aren't compelled to work at any business if you don't agree with the rules. Dak is being an adult and making a business decision because he was hired to be a QB and to represent Campbell's Chunky Soup and Tostitos. He wasn't hired to conduct social justice warrior protests on the clock. He was hired to to stay on brand and make good passes. And he's free to leave if he doesn't agree to the terms, but, because he's not an idiot, he realizes its best to get his millions in the short time he can. He realizes it's smarter to build generational wealth than kneel during the anthem.
 
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Go Budaw said:
Side question....why the hell is somebody who is, presumably, illegally defacing public or private property not only NOT being arrested, but also being given a platform by the media to advertise his illicit activities?
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"The owner of the property at the Fabrication Yard provides the walls and space for anyone who wants to canvas them, free of charge."
 
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maroonmania said:
Picking the one time that we are supposed to be united in honoring the country while at the game to do your "protest" is just very shortsighted. And I'm glad they are able to use that time to fight against the masses of people that are PRO-social injustice.***
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These SJWs are more dangerous than people think and will not solve the issues in this manner.
 
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RiverCityDawg said:
Dak was asked about it again by reporters at Cowboys practice in context of him receiving criticism. It's clearly a thing. It's one of ESPN's top headlines, Shannon Sharpe blasted him on ESPN, there are memes all over the internet implying that he's Uncle Tom. If you want to argue that the backlash is coming from people that don't matter, I agree, but when this was first brought up on these boards some people were calling the backlash #fakenews and saying only twitter bots were saying anything about it.
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Initially it was fake news but it's been brought up so many times now that it has turned into what y'all wanted it to be in the first place. Another petty ******** argument distracting everyone's attention away from the traitor in the white house.
 
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RiverCityDawg said:
Nice straw man. Good thing we're allowed to not like a lot of what Trump does and not like the anthem protests.
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Hey Cuz! I thought that was you sitting over here with the rest of us sick of all this ****.

Here's some popcorn, pull up a chair.
 
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While Kap was brainstorming on what his best protest statement would be, Dak was working on improving as a QB. That is why Dak is still in the league and Kap is at home hitting the bong.
 
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"An employer certainly has a right to restrict your speech when you are on the clock." That statement is true of most employees -- particularly employees at will -- but if the employee is under contract and/or a member of a union there may be built in protections for the employees rights. Plus, in an environment like the NFL, the owners want to keep their employees happy. There is a limited pool of quality employees out there and they cannot afford to have employees walking out. Nor can the employees afford to walk out, for the most part, which is even more complicated.

I'm just saying, this isn't a simple case of doing what your employer says, particularly when this whole issue has very little to do with the job.
 
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You are obviously not in the private sector or you would not have left out the people who make the whole thing work...the customers.
 
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What? You think I'm in the government sector? Customers don't have anything to do with whether an employer has the legal right to restrict his employee's free speech, and in most cases the customers wouldn't even know one way or the other unless the employee decided to make a public issue of it.

But since you brought it up, the NFL is now in a position where they are going to upset some of their customers either way. I'm not going to estimate how many NFL fans are pro-anthem standing vs. pro-right to protest, I just think there are enough on both sides of the issue that any firm position by the NFL will hurt their bottom line.

I personally side with Dak, I guess. I support the players' right to protest, but I don't think the Anthem protest is an effective way to get their message out. I'm not even sure what the message is anymore or if they all have some different message. I rarely watch the playing of the Anthem anyway....I tune in late because I hate all the pregame talking.
 
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Dawgzilla said:
"An employer certainly has a right to restrict your speech when you are on the clock." That statement is true of most employees -- particularly employees at will -- but if the employee is under contract and/or a member of a union there may be built in protections for the employees rights. Plus, in an environment like the NFL, the owners want to keep their employees happy. There is a limited pool of quality employees out there and they cannot afford to have employees walking out. Nor can the employees afford to walk out, for the most part, which is even more complicated.

I'm just saying, this isn't a simple case of doing what your employer says, particularly when this whole issue has very little to do with the job.
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The NFL is a business. It doesn't exist to provide a platform for its employees to change the world or any other altruistic reason. Its primary purpose is to create revenue from its customers that is profitable for its owners. One cardinal rule of any business is don't do anything to piss off half of your customer base. Regardless of where you stand on the issue the NFL owners were complete dumbasses for not nipping this crap in the bud straightaway. There might be a limited pool of quality employees as you say but if there is no market for your product that does not matter. Professional sports is #1 on the list of things we as a nation can live quite easily without.
 
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The 1st amendment protects you from being incarcerated or hung for treason for what you say, it does not guarantee your employment.
 
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Dawgzilla said:
What? You think I'm in the government sector? Customers don't have anything to do with whether an employer has the legal right to restrict his employee's free speech, and in most cases the customers wouldn't even know one way or the other unless the employee decided to make a public issue of it.

But since you brought it up, the NFL is now in a position where they are going to upset some of their customers either way. I'm not going to estimate how many NFL fans are pro-anthem standing vs. pro-right to protest, I just think there are enough on both sides of the issue that any firm position by the NFL will hurt their bottom line.

I personally side with Dak, I guess. I support the players' right to protest, but I don't think the Anthem protest is an effective way to get their message out. I'm not even sure what the message is anymore or if they all have some different message. I rarely watch the playing of the Anthem anyway....I tune in late because I hate all the pregame talking.
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This is the truth. And it's not even about whether people support or don't support the protests. I'm guessing there are a number of people who just want entertainment and don't appreciate politics being brought into it at all, but especially not brought into in a needlessly divisive manner. If you want to make a statement about racial inequality or police violence, I'm not sure I could think of worse way than for multimillionaires to kneel during the anthem. Insulting veterans who made and make much less than you while putting their lives at risk seems like a good idea to them?

I mean holy ****, how about taking a knee after a touchdown or something (obviously not an option for the benchwarmers like Kap) or just doing a group kneel or prayer or something before or after teh anthem or during one of the breaks or before each kickoff? It might not have generated as much press coverage, but it wouldn't have alienated and pissed off what, 20% of the country? More?
 
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Sports is the one thing that brings us all together, no matter race, religion, or politics. It really takes our mind off real world issues and brings peace. Dak said it best.
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Agreed. I also take great offense to people asserting that Dak's position does not represent his true feelings but is just an attempt to suck up to his sponsors and jerrah.
 
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I agree, and at this point the NFL is going to piss off a large sector of its customer base no matter what it does. The backlash Dak is receiving shows there are plenty of customers who believe the players should be given the right to protest. But, the good news of the NFL is, no matter which group of customers they ultimately piss off, those customers will come back.
 
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Boy this feels crazy to say, but I agree with DAWG61.

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Only care about getting willingly agitated before football games.
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Going out of the way to be offended is ridiculous. Hell, Mike Pence showed up to a Colts game just so he could make a big show of leaving.
 
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Dawgzilla said:
I agree, and at this point the NFL is going to piss off a large sector of its customer base no matter what it does. The backlash Dak is receiving shows there are plenty of customers who believe the players should be given the right to protest. But, the good news of the NFL is, no matter which group of customers they ultimately piss off, those customers will come back.
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At this point they have allowed themselves to get between a rock and hard place but I would think the least impact to business would be to just make it a rule that players must stand respectfully for the anthem. I also find it incredible that such a rule should be necessary especially for the NFL who minutely control every aspect of on field appearance down to the eyeblack. They have a long history of restricting free speech such as tebows scripture eyeblack pads, mcmahon's sweatband, and the cowboys police patches to name a few.
 
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Get Out is phenomenal? Maybe I just didn't get it....I thought it was unique and a little unexpected, but I wasn't sure why it got so much buzz.
 
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I liked their "rule" allowing players to stay in the locker room if they didn't want to stand at attention. Not sure why that was so dis-satisfying to everyone.
 
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Dawgzilla said:
I liked their "rule" allowing players to stay in the locker room if they didn't want to stand at attention. Not sure why that was so dis-satisfying to everyone.
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Agreed. Seems like a great policy. Go out and stand if you want. Or stay inside the locker room and wait if you dont want to stand.

Its been said many times, but this whole stand on the field for the anthem thing started back in '09. Its not like there is some long and storied history.

What a totally insane wedge issue.
 
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Some entities stand to benefit from pitting us against one another.

That's why you see Russian troll farms running Twitter accounts promoting BLM/Antifa content, and also ones pushing NRA/"I STAND." They push the extremes to get everyone riled up and fighting one another.
 
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If so, then my comparative statement was almost as faulty as yours. Still chuckling at, "contrived insecurity" as a term, as it seems to insinuate someone with good self-confidence would for some reason choose a handle that misrepresents that, instead choosing to falsely claim a lack of said self-confidence.

I suspect somebody is trying to exceed their vocabulary.
 
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No, but silencing freedom of speech -- even if legally allowed -- kind of cuts against our core Constitutional beliefs as a nation and is effectively un-American. Requiring players to stand for the Anthem does not violate the guarantees of the First Amendment, but it is a restriction on speech.

Then we get into the constantly circular argument: Refusing to stand for the Anthem is un-American, but so is requiring someone to stand for the Anthem; so then, is it un-American to complain about people requiring their employees to stand for the anthem? What about the employer's free speech rights?
 
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blacklistedbully said:
Not shocked one bit you're an unhinged, triggered snowflake *****. How's that for short and sweet, snowflake?
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Nobody is unhinged or triggered in this thread but you which is no different than any other thread you enter and it's always the biggest snowflake pussies calling others snowflake pussies. Funny how that works. You always speak into a mirror every time you post.
 
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"The potus disrespects our flag, country, white house, history and every American past and present every single day he's in office right now. Y'all don't care about that. Only care about getting willingly agitated before football games."

Unhinged....triggered....snowflake.... *****.
 
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