Daily Tracking the NET: now 102
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That’s the issue, some teams have massive jumps others get a smaller bump in comparison for a big win. No one really knows what goes into calculating it, no explanation. Thought SHU would go up 20 spots minimum with their UCONN win, but went up 15. At least RU went up 5 spots and on a day they didn’t even play.
The algorithm looks at all games, not just the important ones for a given team. The win over UConn helped SHU, but it also helped us, which in turn helped Princeton.
But other schools that SHU played already also had games, and their opponents had games. And the teams above them and below them had games, and their opponents had games, and their opponents' opponents had games.
And the difference between two adjacent ranks is not equal up and down the rankings. The improvement to jump from 85 to 84. Maybe a much smaller gap than to improve from 255 to 254, or vice versa. NET does not give the actual value for each school, just their ranking.
The 10 point cap that is built into the calculation seems like a fallacy at times as we see teams win by 30-40 pts. and they receive nice bumps. However, in order to win by 30-40 pts., a team is likely going to have excellent offensive and defensive efficiency calculations for that game and thus go towards their season long measurement so that helps explain how huge 30-40 pt. blowouts bump up a team’s NET.
I will say, RU is very well positioned in comparison to others around the country at this point in the season. They have no disastrous Q4 losses (only Stonehill left on the schedule) and they have many Q1 and Q2 opportunities ahead of them. If they deliver the wins they make the tourney. It won’t be easy, not fully confident they can do this, but if they beat Miss. State and Stonehill, then go 10-9 in remaining games, win a game in the conf. tourney and they are 20-13. I would think they would punch their ticket at that point but at a minimum they’re on the bubble, like other seasons. Not going to be easy though…..the Miss. State game is a big opportunity.
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Mississippi State is important but we have to acknowledge how early these metrics truly are. Not only do we have to win the game, then we have to root for their success the rest of the season.
Which is why the OOC or scheduling nonsense that gets hammered here, continues to be a moving target. So much speculation that Mississippi State wasn't going to be a good opponent and how critical is would be to play Princeton, was all to appease a handful of people.
If RU wins Mississippi State and had scheduled Rider in the opener, it would be significantly higher ranked and with all of the same questions. And schools like Michigan who overscheduled and are being written off by the bracketologists, will be wrong again in March.
The Big East is proving to be more bark than actual bite across the board and the talent level is spread out very thin. As long as RU develops its depth and youth, it will put us in position to dance. It's way too early for these ratings, when they are selectively used one year and ignored the following year.
Which is why the OOC or scheduling nonsense that gets hammered here, continues to be a moving target. So much speculation that Mississippi State wasn't going to be a good opponent and how critical is would be to play Princeton, was all to appease a handful of people.
If RU wins Mississippi State and had scheduled Rider in the opener, it would be significantly higher ranked and with all of the same questions. And schools like Michigan who overscheduled and are being written off by the bracketologists, will be wrong again in March.
The Big East is proving to be more bark than actual bite across the board and the talent level is spread out very thin. As long as RU develops its depth and youth, it will put us in position to dance. It's way too early for these ratings, when they are selectively used one year and ignored the following year.
it is...offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency counts all possessions.
I am feeling the number 20 too. Beating MSU makes it easier and makes it 1 less game against a "better" opponent we have to beat.
I'm pretty sure they removed the 10-point cap a couple years back. It was there initially, but they modified the formula after the first couple years.
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Down to 76
Princeton falls back to 21
Mississippi State falls to 40
Wake Forest at 79
Seton Hall slips to 81
Princeton falls back to 21
Mississippi State falls to 40
Wake Forest at 79
Seton Hall slips to 81
Big swings for Princeton on days they aren't playing - must be razor thin variances from 14-21 where a thousandth of a point difference can cause big jumps.
Probably because St Joe's lost? But yeah Princeton been bouncing up and down last couple days.
I am a fan of this thread, but am just saying......
If we lose vs MSU does this thread get deleted because it is no longer needed.
No.....our 1st B1G in the New year becomes a must win!
If we lose vs MSU does this thread get deleted because it is no longer needed.
No.....our 1st B1G in the New year becomes a must win!
The win against Miss State certainly helps, but it also helps solidify the premise that the return of Mag, the growth of J-Mike, Cliff’s revival and more have RU moving in the right direction and having a better chance to finish in top have of the conference.
Seriously, the “neutral court” designation has NOTHING to do with the makeup of the crowd. It’s just simply that it’s neither team’s true home court.
NET falls to 83
Princeton down to 24
Mississippi State 32
Wake Forest 77
Seton Hall 88
Princeton down to 24
Mississippi State 32
Wake Forest 77
Seton Hall 88
Oddly, we wouldn’t be in that bad a position if only we could rebound. We won’t beat anyone with Cliff playing the way he did yesterday.
I used to like Wachtel but what the hell is he talking about this year? These kind of NON CONFERENCE games are always "neutral". Prior year examples that come to mind are Wisconsin playing Stanford in Milwaukee. Alabama playing Gonzaga in Birmingham. It happens all the time, how does he not know that?
I watched FAU in the double OT thriller a couple of weeks ago. They looked amazing
The way Stanford shot, it would have beaten any team in the country.
The Cardinal hit a school-record 16 3-pointers (16-25, 64%).
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Thanks. Seems like a crazy reward for taking care of business against barely a top 200. System is silly
yeah not sure why he thought it was going to be that much...losing even by alot to a 7 team on the road really doesnt crater you.
That being said I am starting to see some similiarities between Northwestern this year and RU a couple years back profile wise. A lagging NET...an incredible win over a top team but yet a horrible Q4 loss. Eye test and wins wise with a pretty good win over Dayton to add to the one over Purdue, they are a tourney team. Metrics wise looks awful including a big red flag of 318 for non conference sos.
also picking up points because one of their opponents Utah State vaulted up to 26. I would say its also probably pretty tight from that 75-125 spots this early. But road wins by over 20 are priceless.
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