DaChe Williams

[RC66_rivals315488]

That was one tired team at St. John's.

Kate Hill didn't play.

I think that was one of the earliest off-the-bench appearance Alex Alfano has made that I can remember.

Wasn't DaChe Williams supposed to be immediately eligible this year?

After January 1?

 

[RUClassof67]

That was one tired team at St. John's.

Kate Hill didn't play.

I think that was one of the earliest off-the-bench appearance Alex Alfano has made that I can remember.

Wasn't DaChe Williams supposed to be immediately eligible this year?

After January 1?

Interesting. All the articles talking about her this summer said she was eligible to play immediately. Not sure what's going on. Hope you're right and she's eligible after first semester.

 

[RizwranII]

Interesting. All the articles talking about her this summer said she was eligible to play immediately. Not sure what's going on. Hope you're right and she's eligible after first semester.

She can play now. She played at Northeastern 2 seasons: 2013-14 and 2014 to 15. Sat out 2015 to 16.

You would think that a "team of midgets" could use an experienced 6' 2" player. CVS is a flawed game time coach. She has had a history of not playing players for reasons she only seemed to know. I remember after she said that "Good things happen when Brooklyn Pope is in the game" then immediately we saw no BP for a few games.

 

[RUClassof67]

She can play now. She played at Northeastern 2 seasons: 2013-14 and 2014 to 15. Sat out 2015 to 16.

You would think that a "team of midgets" could use an experienced 6' 2" player. CVS is a flawed game time coach. She has had a history of not playing players for reasons she only seemed to know. I remember after she said that "Good things happen when Brooklyn Pope is in the game" then immediately we saw no BP for a few games.

Not sure she is eligible yet. You're right. We could use a taller experienced player. There must be a reason she hasn't played yet.

 

[RizwranII]

Not sure she is eligible yet. You're right. We could use a taller experienced player. There must be a reason she hasn't played yet.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just checked the Northeastern sports site and she didn't play at all in the 2015-16 season. I truly hope you are right RC and I posted pre-maturely and wrong.

 

[BeKnighted_rivals]

She can play now. She played at Northeastern 2 seasons: 2013-14 and 2014 to 15. Sat out 2015 to 16.

You would think that a "team of midgets" could use an experienced 6' 2" player. CVS is a flawed game time coach. She has had a history of not playing players for reasons she only seemed to know. I remember after she said that "Good things happen when Brooklyn Pope is in the game" then immediately we saw no BP for a few games.

Well, as it turned out, that wasn't exactly a bad decision. Pope wasn't particularly interested in playing in the CVS system, and generally made as many really bad plays as good ones.

 

[oldtimer67]

She can play now. She played at Northeastern 2 seasons: 2013-14 and 2014 to 15. Sat out 2015 to 16.

You would think that a "team of midgets" could use an experienced 6' 2" player. CVS is a flawed game time coach. She has had a history of not playing players for reasons she only seemed to know. I remember after she said that "Good things happen when Brooklyn Pope is in the game" then immediately we saw no BP for a few games.

Wasn't sure whether you were talking about CVS or Chris Ash with that comment about "not playing players for reasons (s)he only seemed to know." Guess it is OK sometimes, no?

 

[Knight Time Fan_rivals]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just checked the Northeastern sports site and she didn't play at all in the 2015-16 season. I truly hope you are right RC and I posted pre-maturely and wrong.

That is the player I was asking about that I couldn't account for. She isn't dressed, as far as I know, so it isn't just CVS not playing her, it is something else. The Pope example (and I agree with BeK on that call) involved a player that was dressed.

 

[RizwranII]

Well, as it turned out, that wasn't exactly a bad decision. Pope wasn't particularly interested in playing in the CVS system, and generally made as many really bad plays as good ones.

That has nothing to do w my point. To your point. CVS never gave her a chance. Back to my point: CVS rarely has had any type of rotation of players. this goes for game and season. How many posts over the years would bring up how every season CVS would have so many different starting lineups even into Feb. Pope like many RU players never felt comfortable in CVS's system. (And this is only one example of her inadequate system, but I want to stay w my point).

 

[Knight Time Fan_rivals]

That has nothing to do w my point. To your point. CVS never gave her a chance. Back to my point: CVS rarely has had any type of rotation of players. this goes for game and season. How many posts over the years would bring up how every season CVS would have so many different starting lineups even into Feb. Pope like many RU players never felt comfortable in CVS's system. (And this is only one example of her inadequate system, but I want to stay w my point).

If the players couldn't get "comfortable" in the CVS system, then they shouldn't have come (and in some cases, we probably shouldn't have recruited them). After all, if we fans know CVS's system (like it or not) and know that it may get "tweaked" but basically remains the same - then recruits and their advisers certainly know it.

You can criticize (if you are so moved) the changing line-ups and the system - but Pope is not a good example. No amount of giving her chances in the system was ever going to fit her in. Baylor was better able to utilize her - and got some good (but not starring) minutes out of her - but CVS was not the right coach (whether her own or Brooklyn's fault) to achieve even that much.

 

[RizwranII]

Pope actually became a co-integral player w an excellent player that she split minutes and took the starting spot (Again given the almost equal minutes, who started didn't matter) from Destiny Williams.

Players came to RU due to the rep and H of F title of CVS. Do u really think they studied her system enough to find out she was a bad game time coach.

I will mention another thing she has done at RU that has been a number of times inappropriate and only hurts the moral of the players...namely her (again totally inappropriate) comments to the press about her players. This year it was the "midget" comment. I remember the time she stated, again to the press, that players needed psychiatric help.

She has since day one, been one of the most negative post game coaches I have ever seen. And I have been a BB, men & women fanatic for many years and have listened to thousands of post game comments on TV and in print.

She breaks the important rule of keeping it in house.

I truly can't wait for the day when we all will be a family again cheering on our team. I hate the negatives. There are posters that are just nasty. I try to constructively criticize and also continue to post comments of support too.

Knight time, I know we don't agree much on CVS. You have been a loyal fan and considerate poster and I thank you for that.

 

[BeKnighted_rivals]

Pope actually became a co-integral player w an excellent player that she split minutes and took the starting spot (Again given the almost equal minutes, who started didn't matter) from Destiny Williams.

Soon after Pope graduated, we had another thread where someone asserted she was a key part of the Baylor team, so I went and looked closely at what she did. Two things stuck out - first, that she really didn't have much of a role until her last year at Baylor, and second, that she ended up being an important substitute, but nothing like as important as any of the starters. Even with a year of practicing before she could play, it took her three full years to even reach that point. This, mind you, from someone who was a McD's AA.

My opinion on this (subject to dispute) is that it took her a long time to mature as a player because it was hard for her to adjust to not being the big star and to understand that she was just a piece of the puzzle. If it took Mulkey three years to get her to the point where she was ready for a big role, it's hard to say that CVS was at fault for not integrating her in one year. (And, again, having seen what she did that one year, it was pretty clear she was not interested in playing within a team concept then.)

 

[dmd78]

That has nothing to do w my point. To your point. CVS never gave her a chance. Back to my point: CVS rarely has had any type of rotation of players. this goes for game and season. How many posts over the years would bring up how every season CVS would have so many different starting lineups even into Feb. Pope like many RU players never felt comfortable in CVS's system. (And this is only one example of her inadequate system, but I want to stay w my point).

I think that CVS gave Brooklyn more than a fair chance. She was fun to watch, but she was undisciplined and unpredictable. I'm not sure that she would have felt comfortable in most systems.

 

[RizwranII]

I think that CVS gave Brooklyn more than a fair chance. She was fun to watch, but she was undisciplined and unpredictable. I'm not sure that she would have felt comfortable in most systems.

She obviously felt comfortable w a coach like CVS in that it was Mulkey's way or the highway. Explain why CVS said "Good things happen when Brooklyn Pope is in the game" and then we didn't see her for the next 3 games. I remember that like it was yesterday. I also remember Brooklyn's father publically voicing his criticism of CVS in re of Brooklyn, more than once and way before B declared that she was transferring. I know parents can be very subjective, but how many parents do you remember publically criticized any coach.

Brooklyn was a talent that again showed CVS's weakness in not being able to develop players.

 

[MADHAT1]

She obviously felt comfortable w a coach like CVS in that it was Mulkey's way or the highway. Explain why CVS said "Good things happen when Brooklyn Pope is in the game" and then we didn't see her for the next 3 games. I remember that like it was yesterday. I also remember Brooklyn's father publically voicing his criticism of CVS in re of Brooklyn, more than once and way before B declared that she was transferring. I know parents can be very subjective, but how many parents do you remember publically criticized any coach.

Brooklyn was a talent that again showed CVS's weakness in not being able to develop players.

Just how good did Brooklyn do at Baylor that makes you think she was sucessful there from tjhe moment she stepped foot on their campus.
I seem to remember she never became a starter and it was her last year there that she could be considered as playing up to or close to the talent she was supposed to have.
I think her RS Soph season she averaged 15 minutes and 7 points a game.
Her RS Junior season about the same
RS senior year she played 18 minutes a game and averaged 10 points
Brooklyn had a good team around her but seems like the hype she's getting because she left is more than she produced at her new program
Granted she had talent, but it didn't prove super-star like and sometimes families are upset because a HC is not giving their child playing time because of that player not fitting in well in first year.

 

[BeKnighted_rivals]

I also remember Brooklyn's father publically voicing his criticism of CVS in re of Brooklyn, more than once and way before B declared that she was transferring. I know parents can be very subjective, but how many parents do you remember publically criticized any coach.

That sort of thing can go two ways, you know.

 

[dmd78]

She obviously felt comfortable w a coach like CVS in that it was Mulkey's way or the highway.

I'm sorry, but i've read this sentence at least 5 times and I still have no idea what you meant.

 

[RizwranII]

Just how good did Brooklyn do at Baylor that makes you think she was sucessful there from tjhe moment she stepped foot on their campus.
I seem to remember she never became a starter and it was her last year there that she could be considered as playing up to or close to the talent she was supposed to have.
I think her RS Soph season she averaged 15 minutes and 7 points a game.
Her RS Junior season about the same
RS senior year she played 18 minutes a game and averaged 10 points
Brooklyn had a good team around her but seems like the hype she's getting because she left is more than she produced at her new program
Granted she had talent, but it didn't prove super-star like and sometimes families are upset because a HC is not giving their child playing time because of that player not fitting in well in first year.[/QUO.

 

[RizwranII]

Madhat I respect you as a poster and more importantly as a great RU fan. But you are totally wrong. Please check the stats before I have to do it again (to answer a previous poster from last year)..

CVS lost a solid player that would have helped RU. Why...who knows.

 

[Knight Time Fan_rivals]

Madhat I respect you as a poster and more importantly as a great RU fan. But you are totally wrong. Please check the stats before I have to do it again (to answer a previous poster from last year)..

CVS lost a solid player that would have helped RU. Why...who knows.

Enough all ready. His statistics are accurate. I obtained them from the NCAA and confirmed to the Baylor records. She averaged 10.25 points per game in her senior year, and she did indeed average about 7 the two prior seasons. Her best free throw percentage was 58% and she averaged 2 turnovers a game her senior year.

As folks keep telling you, she was not a star at Baylor - we follow the game and actually watched her play at Baylor. She was a contributor.

And she would not have helped Rutgers because she would not or could not play in the CVS system.

 

[MADHAT1]

Madhat I respect you as a poster and more importantly as a great RU fan. But you are totally wrong. Please check the stats before I have to do it again (to answer a previous poster from last year)..

CVS lost a solid player that would have helped RU. Why...who knows.

RizwranII,
I got them from the Baylor site and rounded the numbers (example 7.3 became 7)
2010-11 Season
http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2010-2011/teamcume.html
2011-2012
http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html
2012-2013
http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/teamcume.html

I try to be as accurate as I can when posting, sometimes we all make mistakes and since you felt I did I didn't have a problem rechecking mine and posting the links now is what I should have done before to make sure no one would have to check out if I was right or made an honest mistake because of relying on my ( known to be bad) memory.

 

[RizwranII]

RizwranII,
I got them from the Baylor site and rounded the numbers (example 7.3 became 7)
2010-11 Season
http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2010-2011/teamcume.html
2011-2012
http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html
2012-2013
http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/teamcume.html

I try to be as accurate as I can when posting, sometimes we all make mistakes and since you felt I did I didn't have a problem rechecking mine and posting the links now is what I should have done before to make sure no one would have to check out if I was right or made an honest mistake because of relying on my ( known to be bad) memory.

OK.. I guess you are posting the season stat links to prove my point.

 

[dmd78]

Soon after Pope graduated, we had another thread where someone asserted she was a key part of the Baylor team, so I went and looked closely at what she did. Two things stuck out - first, that she really didn't have much of a role until her last year at Baylor, and second, that she ended up being an important substitute, but nothing like as important as any of the starters. Even with a year of practicing before she could play, it took her three full years to even reach that point. This, mind you, from someone who was a McD's AA.

My opinion on this (subject to dispute) is that it took her a long time to mature as a player because it was hard for her to adjust to not being the big star and to understand that she was just a piece of the puzzle. If it took Mulkey three years to get her to the point where she was ready for a big role, it's hard to say that CVS was at fault for not integrating her in one year. (And, again, having seen what she did that one year, it was pretty clear she was not interested in playing within a team concept then.)

BeKnighted, I hope that you don't mind me re-posting what you posted in a thread on rebkell at the time her transfer was announced. (Easily found via a simple google search.) This accurately reflects how I remember her time at Rutgers.

"No, her cardinal sin was not having any clue as to where to be on the court, on both offense and defense. As I said, she's got plenty of raw talent, but she was entirely undisciplined. To put it in perspective, she played 175 minutes last year, and committed 34 fouls and 27 turnovers. That's one foul every 5 minutes and the equivalent of better than 6 turnovers a game. The next worst player on the team averaged about half as many turnovers per minute as Pope. (And take out the game that CVS scheduled against the D-III team to give the frosh a chance to play and her stats are much, much worse - one foul every 4 minutes and 7.7 TO/game.) Every RU fan who saw her agreed that she has a ton of potential, but in the context of a top D-I program, she needs to do a lot more work before she becomes an asset on the court."

 

[BeKnighted_rivals]

No problem. It still seems right to me.

 

[MADHAT1]

OK.. I guess you are posting the season stat links to prove my point.

Your point ?
Those stat links was to back up my posting rounded off stats Brooklyn had when she was at Baylor that you implied were wrong and would prove wrong if it was necessary.
I really don't know why you posted like you did , unless you are talking about I should have posted links to back up my claim.

If you still feel I was wrong in my original post about Pope's statics, please supply the link to your source that proves she had a great career as a Baylor Bear.