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bbnkat02

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Go read the play-by-play for both the North Florida and Central Michigan games. He was shooting like crap but Cal left him in both games because he was doing other things well. Played a total of 19 min each game.

Late in the 2nd half against CMU, Cal put Allen in with 4:34 remaining despite the fact that he was 0-6 from the field at the time, and let him finish the game. He played because he was rebounding, finishing with 6. This is exactly what Cal has said he's looking for from Allen, and voila, when Allen rebounds (and does other good things, like not turning the ball over and not committing stupid fouls) he plays.

Last night, in his limited minutes, he did nothing well, and it was a close game. I don't blame Cal for not leaving him in longer.
Shush. How dare you deal in facts in an age of conspiracy?!
 
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Blue63Madison

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That doesn’t change what I posted in any way. It’s difficult for any player to be put in a game and immediately be expected to knock down threes. That shouldn’t be difficult to understand, and I’m not one of the posters pushing for more time for Allen. I’m just posting rationally. I don’t care who gets minutes.
I think Allen is very similar to Grady — except Grady is more experienced, polished and confident (although we haven’t really seen a lot of that Grady yet). But I’m sure Cal expects Grady to be the better option the rest of this season. I think we can all agree with that. Other than that position, there’s no other logical spot for Allen to get minutes. Unless Cal starts playing small ball, and we all know that’s not happening. This is the perfect roster to play small ball, but Cal won’t do it.
 
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kelzer

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I’d like to see Dontaie get 25-30 minutes a couple games and I’ll bet his stats would equal those who get the minutes now. He did last year as Cal got exposed.
Do you guys even read the box scores?

Look at some of them from last year. After Allen performed so well agains Miss St. the first time, he got plenty of opportunity but he didn't deliver.

Played 32 min against Vandy. Had 14 pts and 5 rebounds. Not bad.

Next played 22 min at UF. Had 6 pts and 2 rbs.

Next 24 min vs Bama. 8 pts and 6 rbs, but 4 TOs.

Next 23 min at Auburn. 8 pts, 2 rbs.

STARTED against Georgia. Played 23 min. 3 pts, 3 rbs, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 TOs.

He played 19 or more minutes 9 times last season, but just didn't deliver consistently. This narrative that he would do great if just given the chance is utter nonsense.

I've seen nothing this year to make me believe anything major has changed about him. He's still very inconsistent in all aspects of his game. You never know which Dontaie is going to show up on a given night. I've yet to see him start out playing poorly and then turn things around in a game, so I can't blame Cal for giving up on him when he's not doing well.
 

Oboro3_rivals101424

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Playing time in games is earned how well you do and how much effort you exert in practice. He must not be playing much better in practice because his playing time is shrinking...
 

Oboro3_rivals101424

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Poythress in warm-ups would not miss at the 3-point line. He would make 10-12 threes in a row from the corner while warming up but he would not hit a single one in a game...
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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That doesn’t change what I posted in any way. It’s difficult for any player to be put in a game and immediately be expected to knock down threes. That shouldn’t be difficult to understand, and I’m not one of the posters pushing for more time for Allen. I’m just posting rationally. I don’t care who gets minutes.
He’s not just missing shots though, I don’t think I’ve seen him shoot a worse wide open shot than he did last night, the out of bounds, then foul a 3. It was just bad.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Poythress in warm-ups would not miss at the 3-point line. He would make 10-12 threes in a row from the corner while warming up but he would not hit a single one in a game...
Most D1 level kids can really shoot in practice, the great ones make them in games though.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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I think Allen is very similar to Grady — except Grady is more experienced, polished and confident (although we haven’t really seen a lot of that Grady yet). But I’m sure Cal expects Grady to be the better option the rest of this season. I think we can all agree with that. Other than that position, there’s no other logical spot for Allen to get minutes. Unless Cal starts playing small ball, and we all know that’s not happening. This is the perfect roster to play small ball, but Cal won’t do it.
I agree we have a small ball roster to a point, however when we go really small we don’t defend at all and don’t rebound either.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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I think Allen is very similar to Grady — except Grady is more experienced, polished and confident (although we haven’t really seen a lot of that Grady yet). But I’m sure Cal expects Grady to be the better option the rest of this season. I think we can all agree with that. Other than that position, there’s no other logical spot for Allen to get minutes. Unless Cal starts playing small ball, and we all know that’s not happening. This is the perfect roster to play small ball, but Cal won’t do it.
Grady is the better option
 

fatguy87

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I agree we have a small ball roster to a point, however when we go really small we don’t defend at all and don’t rebound either.
That's actually not true or it's at least still up for debate.

For one, we rarely go small. Secondly, we still rebound well with Oscar on the bench. And third, Brooks averages less rebounds per minute than Allen. We rebound well as a team, and it's not particularly dependent upon 1 or 2 glass cleaners.
 

wldctky_rivals70430

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Been to several games this year and have gotten there early....watched DA come out early last night and he made 13 threes in a row and 16 of 19.....He shoots like this every time I get there early

Then in the game..... :(
needs to transfer to NKU or another in state school where he would excel
 

TortElvisII

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It’s amazing the leash some want Allen to have. Let’s just leave him in there so he can get a feel for the game, meanwhile airballing 3s, fouling 3 pt shooters, stepping out of bounds.. if he plays more we probably are down 10 points by the time he does something positive.
Against Southern. We're not talking about the final four against Wisconsin when he left people in that should have been on the bench.
 

Runt#1969

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I'm satisfied that this team's true potential for greatness will have to come down to how hard they play, hustle and defend, ALONG WITH hitting open shots

..... and make free throws (especially on the road emphasis here) ; finish hard making those tough twos, because the whistle is going to be hard once league play begins.

We will take our lumps along with everyone else this year. But if we can stay as healthy as possible, this can be a very special year.

Prepare for war!
 
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By 50? Oh. You’re one of THOSE UK fans.

The line was only 22 I believe. Maybe 25.

This isn’t the 80s-90s anymore where these smaller Div 1 schools don’t have any talent. The transfer portals saw an end to that. UF lost to the fourth place SWAC team. We played the likely conference champ last night. Duke beat Campbell by 11.

Yeah, we did not play well last night and still won by double digits. Hit our damn FTs and we win closer to 20, which is right around the line. And yea we should’ve won by more. But 50 is not realistic, especially coming of our injuries and illness.

We’ve got crap to fix and I’m more concerned about how Cal is going to force this team to play, but blowing teams out by 50 (especially decently defensive teams like last night) just doesn’t happen much for anyone anymore.
It was an exaggeration dude. Come on
Are u the grammar police also
 

littlecreek

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All the guys aren’t given the same opportunity PERIOD
Same with Willis, same with Mulder, and others. 3 minutes isn’t much of a chance. Not sure Id agree with the “too many players in front of him” theory. I mean, look at the damn score. Should win the game by 50. Some players play with a 50 feet leash while some play with a choker collar. FACT. Cal picks who he wants to get the most run and goes with it. I’d like to see Dontaie get 25-30 minutes a couple games and I’ll bet his stats would equal those who get the minutes now. He did last year as Cal got exposed.
Allen put up good numbers when he got the minutes last year.
 

UKWildcats1987

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All the guys aren’t given the same opportunity PERIOD
Same with Willis, same with Mulder, and others. 3 minutes isn’t much of a chance. Not sure Id agree with the “too many players in front of him” theory. I mean, look at the damn score. Should win the game by 50. Some players play with a 50 feet leash while some play with a choker collar. FACT. Cal picks who he wants to get the most run and goes with it. I’d like to see Dontaie get 25-30 minutes a couple games and I’ll bet his stats would equal those who get the minutes now. He did last year as Cal got exposed.

Mulder got his chance against unc in 2017 and missed wide open shot after wide open shot.

And u mean to tell me coaches play their starters more than the 10th man? It's weird because I see that in the nba too. Lebron and ad get to play more and play through mistakes than Rondo at this point. Or Dwight Howard.

Finally see I did miss an Allen thread last night. My apologies.
 

Fitch44

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Allen is always put in a very bad position. It’s difficult to be put in the game and every time expected to immediately knock down perimeter shots. He, like every player, needs to be given the opportunity to break a sweat and get into the flow of the game.
Cal never takes him out for missed shots. He is 6’7” with long *** arms, and is a decent athlete.
How the hell do you not (as a player) understand at this point you have to play D and rebound to stay on the court?? Hell, play just decent D and you will stay out there.
Cal has made it clear, and Allen has been given chances, but damn, he wont get after it on D.
I don’t understand that. At All.
 
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GonzoCat90

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Make a ranked list of the team’s best players.

how many guys are ahead of Allen? How many also play his position?

it’s just a numbers game. Everybody can’t play big minutes. Allen doesn’t give you anything you can’t get from someone else.
 

MegaBlue05

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From what I’m seeing, Allen is rushing his shot. He’s shooting off balance and not getting his feet set.
 
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BourbonBalz

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He’s not just missing shots though, I don’t think I’ve seen him shoot a worse wide open shot than he did last night, the out of bounds, then foul a 3. It was just bad.
We’ve got numerous players that have stepped out of bounds (repeatedly) and that have fouled a three point shooter. Brooks plays terrible defense and Grady isn’t much better. It is what it is.
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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We’ve got numerous players that have stepped out of bounds (repeatedly) and that have fouled a three point shooter. Brooks plays terrible defense and Grady isn’t much better. It is what it is.
Grady is so much better than Allen it’s not even funny. He’s too unselfish but that’s about it. I hope he stays aggressive more often, he’s a great offensive threat.
 
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UKWildcats1987

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Do you guys even read the box scores?

Look at some of them from last year. After Allen performed so well agains Miss St. the first time, he got plenty of opportunity but he didn't deliver.

Played 32 min against Vandy. Had 14 pts and 5 rebounds. Not bad.

Next played 22 min at UF. Had 6 pts and 2 rbs.

Next 24 min vs Bama. 8 pts and 6 rbs, but 4 TOs.

Next 23 min at Auburn. 8 pts, 2 rbs.

STARTED against Georgia. Played 23 min. 3 pts, 3 rbs, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 TOs.

He played 19 or more minutes 9 times last season, but just didn't deliver consistently. This narrative that he would do great if just given the chance is utter nonsense.

I've seen nothing this year to make me believe anything major has changed about him. He's still very inconsistent in all aspects of his game. You never know which Dontaie is going to show up on a given night. I've yet to see him start out playing poorly and then turn things around in a game, so I can't blame Cal for giving up on him when he's not doing well.

Nice stats. I am sure people will ignore this though as it doesn't fit the agenda.
 

BourbonBalz

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He shows it pretty much every game.
He’s had 2-3 good games so far from a scoring standpoint. His defense isn’t any better than Allen’s and he isn’t as good on the boards. Look, I want them all to be successful and I don’t prefer one of them over another. I just think Allen has alot of pressure to immediately start knocking down threes as soon as he enters a game and he also seems to have a very short rope.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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He’s had 2-3 good games so far from a scoring standpoint. His defense isn’t any better than Allen’s and he isn’t as good on the boards. Look, I want them all to be successful and I don’t prefer one of them over another. I just think Allen has alot of pressure to immediately start knocking down threes as soon as he enters a game and he also seems to have a very short rope.
From my point of view His is all SEC compared to Allen and his career has shown that. Even in a sub par game he still knocked down 3 3’s. I doubt Allen could do that right now at all.
 

BourbonBalz

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From my point of view His is all SEC compared to Allen and his career has shown that. Even in a sub par game he still knocked down 3 3’s. I doubt Allen could do that right now at all.
Grady has yet to score as much in a game here as Allen did last year. I hope and expect that to change, but Grady has not been what he was advertised to be so far. He’s been OK, but he needs to be much more aggressive. His defense is no better than Allen’s. Yes, I think he’s better than Allen right now but it’s not like he’s setting it on fire either.
 
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bucsrule8872

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The most important word for Allen to learn is this: Patience.

If he doesn’t bolt, he will be an important contributor his Senior year.
 

Blue Wildcat

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He’s had 2-3 good games so far from a scoring standpoint. His defense isn’t any better than Allen’s and he isn’t as good on the boards. Look, I want them all to be successful and I don’t prefer one of them over another. I just think Allen has alot of pressure to immediately start knocking down threes as soon as he enters a game and he also seems to have a very short rope.
He should have that pressure on him, it’s what he is supposed to do. You have to contribute…he’s not going to do it on defense, so make your shots or sit.
 
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kyfanrob

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IMHO, I think that Allen's shot looks rushed. Someone like him only needs to see a couple go down and then he becomes a threat. If he gets his confidence back, he will definitely contribute offensively.
 

nighthawks8

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Allen is always put in a very bad position. It’s difficult to be put in the game and every time expected to immediately knock down perimeter shots. He, like every player, needs to be given the opportunity to break a sweat and get into the flow of the game.
I’ve always wanted him to be great he’s been given every opportunity this year just hasn’t produced