D Day, eight years ago ..

BiscuitEater

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John Cohen was hired as the MSU Head Baseball Coach. (ScoobaDawg post and link on ED reminded me of so much I had forgotten)

The 'Ninja' is coming back to town and John Cohen has to know that he wouldn't be the HC at MSU 'without' Greg Byrne's gutsy call. Great article here.

I do remember how Polk reacted to the hire but had forgotten that Greg Byrne .. who made the call .. was not even 'officially' the AD. LT didn't leave until July.
That was a huge call for a 'first time' AD in the face of vocal opposition from Polk and others who wanted Raffo. He also had to call Mitch Barnhart, Kentucky AD and his old boss, to tell him he was about to hire his coach that he did not want to lose and tried desperately to keep.

Also, forgot that John turned down a 10-year contract that would have paid at least $100K more a year .. to come home . "Had John accepted our offer, in my opinion, he would have had one of the top five contracts in the nation for a baseball coach," Barnhart said.

I will always admire both the Ninja and Cohen for the way they responded to Polk and the critics. Byrne took the 'high road' and refused to criticize Polk even after Polk call Byrne "unqualified." And even after Polk told Cohen not to move so that Raffo would get the job and that he was going to "actively work to dismantle key components of the MSU program," Cohen responded .. "I wouldn't be who I am without Ron Polk," Cohen told fans in Starkville. "I understand his position and I admire his loyalty. Obviously I'd love to have his support. But we've still got to win a national championship, and that is my primary goal. For Mississippi State baseball, anything less than Omaha is unacceptable."

Also this .. I overheard my wife on the phone and someone asked her why I wanted to take the job and coach at Mississippi State," Cohen said. "She said, 'Every musician wants to play Carnegie Hall, and Dudy Noble is the Carnegie Hall of college baseball.'"


 

thekimmer

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After revisiting this I really think we should consider taking polk up on his suggestion to remove his name. Threatening to sabotage the program is a pretty low move even if it was just a threat.
 

Shmuley

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Thank God for Doc Foglesong and Greg Byrne. And Polk can GFH.
 

KurtRambis4

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The fact that he (Polk)

has still not, to this day, come out and apologized says a great deal about him.

I wouldn't be against removing his name. He didn't invent baseball at MSU.
 
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Threat? Polk may have been bluffing about the stadium, but he wasn't lying about trying to dismantle the program and hurt Cohen every chance he got.
 
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I would like nothing more than Cohen to win big here for a long time and Polk live long enough to see Cohen's name replace his on that wall.
 

thekimmer

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I tend to agree with this. Not necessarily looking for an apology but if polk and the university hasn't mended fences and reconciled by now its time to forget about him and move on. The thing is once cohen puts a few more years like this one in the record book he will be a distant memory. RP had a chance to cement his legacy at MSU for all time by doing nothing but shut his mouth and let the people who are paid to do a job do that job but his megalomanic tendencies would not let him do that. It really is sad.

I met and talked to John Grisham's sister some time ago and she confirmed the falling out between polk and her brother & it was not over his son playing BB at state BTW. It had to to with some joint project they were a part of involving amateur baseball. I think they both have some of the same personality tendencies so it was probably destined that they would butt heads.
 

engie

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After revisiting this I really think we should consider taking polk up on his suggestion to remove his name. Threatening to sabotage the program is a pretty low move even if it was just a threat.

It was more than just a threat.
 

RocketDawg

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I would like nothing more than Cohen to win big here for a long time and Polk live long enough to see Cohen's name replace his on that wall.

Cohen-Dement Stadium? Has a certain ring to it. Or would whoever the primary donor for the new remodel (or rebuild) have his name in the pot too? Probably should know, but who was Dudy Noble?
 

The Peeper

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I talked to 2 old timers this past weekend (and I'm in my 50's) and they both have moved on, Polk is a distant memory even for them
 
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patdog

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has still not, to this day, come out and apologized says a great deal about him.

I wouldn't be against removing his name. He didn't invent baseball at MSU.
It says it all about him. He thought he was bigger than MSU baseball. And he treated MSU baseball like an afterthought ever since the first time he "retired" in 1992 or so. I was, and still am, kind of pissed that when he said he wanted his name taken off the stadium, Byrne didn't walk down there with a can of spray paint that afternoon. But I think Byrne did the right thing. And I think we're handling it right. We've taken the high road, but I don't see anyone begging Polk to ever set foot in Starkville again. And that's fine with me.
 

rem101

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Former player, coach and AD at MSU.

Also had a stint at Mississippi.
Speaking on his time spent in Oxford Dudy Noble once told a Tennessee sports writer: “I already know what hell is like. I once coached at Ole Miss.”[SUP][17][/SUP] Noble once owned a bird dog, a lazy mutt that refused to hunt. Dudy Noble named him “Mr. Ole Miss.”[SUP][18][/SUP]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudy_Noble
 

KurtRambis4

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Yeah, he's been pretty bad

at AR State. I would imagine that, if he'd gotten the State job, his/our record would be pretty similar to what he's done there.

We'd be at the bottom of the SEC, and our program would have all but been killed off.
 

Dan Dority

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Is it just me or have the games being broadcast on t.v. the announcers have only said Dudy Noble Field. Maybe I've missed it?
 

RocketDawg

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Yeah, just one of those things I've wondered about but never bothered to check on.

I have no idea who the AD was when I was at MSU ... most FB games were played in Jackson (except the occasional Richmond Spider game, and Homecoming), baseball was practically non-existent, but basketball was pretty big. Best time I ever had at a BB game was when Pete Maravich came to town ... the guy was astounding, and was being cheered even by the State fans. I think he score something north of 70 that night.
 

patdog

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MSU has always been a baseball school. Back in the old days, before my time, the regionals used to be played at neutral sites and MSU was pretty much the permanent host for the southeastern regional. It exploded after Polk got here for sure, but the fans at MSU have always been among the best in the country. And we won 7 conference championships before Polk even got here.
 

HD6

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If you were at State when Maravich would have played MSU, you saw a SEC champion baseball team. The "big" MSU basketball team won 23 games total in the 3 years Maravich was at LSU.
 

DAWGS1.sixpack

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I talked to Polk at a Bham area HS football last fall. Told him I was at State back in the mid 80's and we talked about that and baseball and he immediately began bashing Cohen. For all he knew, I may have been a good friend of Cohen's but he didn't care. Said he wouldn't win consistently at State, kids didn't like him or his demeanor or coaching style and he went as far to say he had really wanted Raffo as the next coach and would have been a better fit. He did say he still owns a house in Stkville - B Creek and goes back often. He was also at our game against LSU in Hoover last week- maybe to pull for the Tigers ??
 

The Peeper

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Maybe they are intentionally leaving off the Polk Dement Stadium part of it and leaving it at Dudy Noble Field?
 

twopack

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I've moved on too

I talked to 2 old times this past weekend (and I'm in my 50's) and they both have moved on, Polk is a distant memory even for them
i graduated in '65, long before Polk got there. There was good baseball before he arrived, and good baseball after he left. He didn't invent the game. The childish, immature way that he left - for a man his age - says a lot about him. But, some people never get smarter as they get older. Should have taken his name off the stadium as he requested, but his bosses had a lot more class than he did and ignored his rantings. Looking forward to the SR this weekend.
 

DerHntr

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I talked to Polk at a Bham area HS football last fall. Told him I was at State back in the mid 80's and we talked about that and baseball and he immediately began bashing Cohen. For all he knew, I may have been a good friend of Cohen's but he didn't care. Said he wouldn't win consistently at State, kids didn't like him or his demeanor or coaching style and he went as far to say he had really wanted Raffo as the next coach and would have been a better fit. He did say he still owns a house in Stkville - B Creek and goes back often. He was also at our game against LSU in Hoover last week- maybe to pull for the Tigers ??

Some people die old and angry. Polk is one of those people.
 

patdog

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Everyone who says that "Polk was just mad at the time and didn't really mean it" or "we should try to let Polk be more involved in the program at some point" needs to read your post. The man intentionally tried to sabotage Cohen from the very start, and it still bashing him 8 years later. I'm sorry, but he's burned his own bridge.
 

engie

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This is what I mean. Cohen has to work twice as hard as he should have to here simply to overcome Polk undermining him constantly. People act like it has stopped but it hasn't. That's possibly the main reason that Polk can't genuinely come back. Now -- when things are going well, people certainly put Polk on mute. And Raffo has removed all doubt with his own failure to even make regionals while 2 Bianco assistants are coaching in Super Regionals at non-traditional powers. But every time Cohen sees a little adversity people immediately go to turning on him faster than they otherwise would or should. There's plenty of evidence of that on this very website from as recently as Super Bulldog Weekend.
 

patdog

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Maybe they are intentionally leaving off the Polk Dement Stadium part of it and leaving it at Dudy Noble Field?
I think you're right about this. They didn't want to publicly take his name off the stadium, but they can and did just go back to referring to it as Dudy Noble Field and not mentioning the name of the stadium. Which is sad in a way that the Dements kind of get his name de-emphasized too, but I guess they're OK with it.
 

thekimmer

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Interesting. Regarding Cohen being unlikable or difficult to deal with. So noted. I think his style/demeanor has been an issue for him. However, he has been able to get top recruits and get them nationally. He also has achieved a level that RP has never, and will never accomplish, even when RP had the SEC all to himself. I also must dismiss most of what he is saying simply because he obviously still has a burr under his saddle over raffo that destroys any objectivity.
 
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engie

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It's only been an issue for Cohen because it's a 180 from Polk -- and Polk undermined it/called attention to it constantly. Mainieri is pretty close to a 180 from Bertman and there wasn't major issues there because Bertman had his back(may have even hired him, I don't remember). Cohen is a lot like Bertman in terms of demeanor. Cohen being a hardass wouldn't have ever been an issue without Polk making it one. Which goes to my point -- the Polk sabotage goes even deeper than people realize -- even in their own personal opinions.

Cohen is definitely a guy that needs a certain type of player to be successful. It's been proven at multiple stops. And that's a trait that has to be evaluated in recruiting that's a lot more difficult to quantify than measurables.
 

AROB44

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Please just take that little SOB's name off the Dude !!! He definitely "earned" having his named removed (plus, he wanted it removed). Only at Miss State could a former coach who bashed the very program he led still have his name attached to anything. Please....when the new stadium is built, just remove his name.....no fanfare, do it quietly, but DO IT!!!!!
 
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