Cut to the Chase...

Stenchymouse

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When it counts, I'd trust Blackshear over McDaniels...

McDaniels has a lot of upside, but I'm not sure that he'll have an impactful freshman season.

I think that he lacks strength and will disappear in games next year wherever he goes.

Would still love to have him, but I'd rather have Blackshear to make a title run.
 
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Jkwo_rivals113955

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Not offended, just thought you were smarter.

JM has a much taller ceiling and a tad lower floor than KB. KB is the higher floor and I get why you may prefer that, but JM crazy ceiling and Cal ability to push freshman to hit that ceiling leads me to prefer JM over KB. Good chat.
A tad lower?

Exactly how long have you been keeping track of 6'10 sub 200 lb freshman bigs?

Yes, on rare occasions they come out the gate firing on all cylinders.

But you'd need a submersible rated for the Mariana Trench to truly grasp where the floor is.
 

KyCatFan1

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McDaniels is more of a want than a need. We have a number of guys already that will be able to play multiple positions between the 2, 3, and 4. What we are lacking is in the paint. Blackshear is a much bigger need at this point. Cal's best teams here usually always have a very good player/s in the paint. Right now we have to hope our grad transfer plays like he did at Bucknell or Richards finally plays up to his potential.
 

Rupp'sRunt

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A tad lower?

Exactly how long have you been keeping track of 6'10 sub 200 lb freshman bigs?

Yes, on rare occasions they come out the gate firing on all cylinders.

But you'd need a submersible rated for the Mariana Trench to truly grasp where the floor is.
With Cal coaching those type of players he rarely misses, only one has been Skal. This guys a top 5 recruit, not a fringe 5 star
 

Blue Bigfoot

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I think Blackshear is the biggie by far...and EJ coming back.

McDaniels is a talented kid...but he's no banger and not a back to the basket scorer. If our bigs are Nick, EJ and Brooks....Blackshear fits a ton better than McDaniels IMO.

This. The kid is talented, but he is 185 lbs. soaking wet.
 

Cowtown Cat

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With Cal coaching those type of players he rarely misses, only one has been Skal. This guys a top 5 recruit, not a fringe 5 star
I think the biggest reason for that was simply because Skal just didn't wanna put the work in and give 100% while on the floor. I remember watching an in game clip when Skal was here. Cal blasted him and said he just doesn't wanna play hard and fight for position and rebounds, in front of the entire team, during a TO. Basically summed it up for me.
 
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RalphDaltonFan

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Think some people assume McDaniels is a traditional PF type--he's not. If he played at UK-he'd be a stretch 4 like Skal should've been--and Cal admitted he should've been after he left.

Skal's issue was he didn't play much basketball prior to entering UK. He was injured, transferred from his HS to the odd team that played about 8-10 HS games his Sr year...so he'd not had competition and was talked of as if he were Anthony Davis. He was what everyone hoped EJ Montgomery would be for Cats this year. Skal could actually make jumpshots though. If he stayed for the '17 season, that UK team cuts nets down-he'd have been perfect alongside Bam but he/family needed $, so he needed to go as soon as possible.

Also needs to be mentioned that the UK class has repeatedly mentioned what the staff is telling them in terms of playing style. Understand skepticism, but we've heard small ball mentioned a lot and a 6'10 stretch player fits perfectly.

Blackshear Jr might not return to college. It's not about priority as much as availability. Some think UK isn't involved--Staff went to visit him before he started his workouts/etc..for NBA. Until he withdraws from NBA Draft, you assume they are leaving-just as UK has to do with Montgomery and Richards. That means there are 7 scholarship players set for '20 roster right now that we know of.....and while I agree with everyone about at least 1 of Richards or Montgomery returning, learned a long time ago not to assume what is going to happen.

McDaniels is a guy who possesses some abilities that are completely different then the players he's compared to that played at UK. He's an excellent passer, handles the ball very well, and the areas he needs to improve, UK staff would push him hard. The UK model works--look a the success...and while the NCAA Titles are at 1 in 10 years--that measures up better then majority of the sport. It's not easy to win a National Title--experienced, young, etc....and for all the "UVA was experienced" talk---they won a game down 3 with 5.2 secs left and splitting FT's (strategically) with a guard chasing down a ball in backcourt and making a pass to tie game. Then followed that up where they committed a double dribble which was not called, and were fouled on a 3pt attempt with 1.2 secs left. Then won down 3 with 12 secs left in regulation and hit a 3 and got a stop to send a game to OT. Did experience win as much as good fortune? Now you make some breaks..but you need your opponent to help--Purdue gave up 18 offensive rebs, Auburn missed FT and fouled, and Texas Tech has 2 weakside defenders chase a guy going to a layup down 3 to leave open the tying shot. Rely on that type of thing too often and you lose to a 16 in 1st Rd.......

Roster balance is important and UK will have Hagans, Quickley, Sestina (who has played CBB....which matters unless you want to be trashing where you play and to me Sestina is a better fit for how UK has talked of playing then Travis was for last year's team).

Going to wait and see how the roster ends up, but I'm not turning down a top 5/10 caliber player and one of the few with huge NBA upside in the '19 class because he is thin or looks like Skal or may remind you of this guy.....because everyone develops at a rate they put in. You put in work, you will succeed in improving and McDaniels went from being outside the top 100 to into the top 10 and some had in top 5 with his improvement last Spring/Summer. He's not afraid to work.
 

yoshukai

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I think the biggest reason for that was simply because Skal just didn't wanna put the work in and give 100% while on the floor. I remember watching an in game clip when Skal was here. Cal blasted him and said he just doesn't wanna play hard and fight for position and rebounds, in front of the entire team, during a TO. Basically summed it up for me.
He also was coming off a back injury ,plus ,didn’t he miss his Jr or Sr year ?
 

deep3

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Col. what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Ppl that say Blackshear> Mcdaniels are off their rockers
Disagree completely agree COL
 

ConRay9

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Blackshear isn’t the key for next season, he just fills a need. If EJ improves then honestly I’d rather have McDaniels just to add a more versatile piece. It remains to be seen whether that will happen, though.

I hope we get Blackshear but the potential of McDaniels is through the roof. Whether or not that potential is tapped into in college is the question. I’d say Cal’s got a pretty good track record of making that happen. I think people on this board are sleeping on McDaniels a little bit strangely enough. A few months ago posters were crying about not getting top 5 recruits. Now we may get one and suddenly many don’t think he’s that good?

I just hope we get one of them. We get either and we solidify ourselves as top 2 or 3 next season.
 

Looseygoosey69

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May 3, 2019
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Think some people assume McDaniels is a traditional PF type--he's not. If he played at UK-he'd be a stretch 4 like Skal should've been--and Cal admitted he should've been after he left.

Skal's issue was he didn't play much basketball prior to entering UK. He was injured, transferred from his HS to the odd team that played about 8-10 HS games his Sr year...so he'd not had competition and was talked of as if he were Anthony Davis. He was what everyone hoped EJ Montgomery would be for Cats this year. Skal could actually make jumpshots though. If he stayed for the '17 season, that UK team cuts nets down-he'd have been perfect alongside Bam but he/family needed $, so he needed to go as soon as possible.

Also needs to be mentioned that the UK class has repeatedly mentioned what the staff is telling them in terms of playing style. Understand skepticism, but we've heard small ball mentioned a lot and a 6'10 stretch player fits perfectly.

Blackshear Jr might not return to college. It's not about priority as much as availability. Some think UK isn't involved--Staff went to visit him before he started his workouts/etc..for NBA. Until he withdraws from NBA Draft, you assume they are leaving-just as UK has to do with Montgomery and Richards. That means there are 7 scholarship players set for '20 roster right now that we know of.....and while I agree with everyone about at least 1 of Richards or Montgomery returning, learned a long time ago not to assume what is going to happen.

McDaniels is a guy who possesses some abilities that are completely different then the players he's compared to that played at UK. He's an excellent passer, handles the ball very well, and the areas he needs to improve, UK staff would push him hard. The UK model works--look a the success...and while the NCAA Titles are at 1 in 10 years--that measures up better then majority of the sport. It's not easy to win a National Title--experienced, young, etc....and for all the "UVA was experienced" talk---they won a game down 3 with 5.2 secs left and splitting FT's (strategically) with a guard chasing down a ball in backcourt and making a pass to tie game. Then followed that up where they committed a double dribble which was not called, and were fouled on a 3pt attempt with 1.2 secs left. Then won down 3 with 12 secs left in regulation and hit a 3 and got a stop to send a game to OT. Did experience win as much as good fortune? Now you make some breaks..but you need your opponent to help--Purdue gave up 18 offensive rebs, Auburn missed FT and fouled, and Texas Tech has 2 weakside defenders chase a guy going to a layup down 3 to leave open the tying shot. Rely on that type of thing too often and you lose to a 16 in 1st Rd.......

Roster balance is important and UK will have Hagans, Quickley, Sestina (who has played CBB....which matters unless you want to be trashing where you play and to me Sestina is a better fit for how UK has talked of playing then Travis was for last year's team).

Going to wait and see how the roster ends up, but I'm not turning down a top 5/10 caliber player and one of the few with huge NBA upside in the '19 class because he is thin or looks like Skal or may remind you of this guy.....because everyone develops at a rate they put in. You put in work, you will succeed in improving and McDaniels went from being outside the top 100 to into the top 10 and some had in top 5 with his improvement last Spring/Summer. He's not afraid to work.

Wow someone gets it. Mcdaniels could have the highest ceiling in this class I don’t think people have seen him play or know his game. The skal comparison is spot on. Only thing is McDaniels has way better handles to float on to the perimeter. Skal didn’t. I think calipari knew he had to develop inside game to maintain nba career. And guess what it’s skals inability to dominate the paint that keeps him off the floor. He’s built like Noel to bad he didn’t have that interior game Noel had.
 

Looseygoosey69

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May 3, 2019
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How much is one year of unrealized upside really worth?
That depends. Generally having a guy whos potential number 1 pick quality doesn’t hurt... who’s more ready now? The vtech kid without a doubt. By end of year that might not be the case. Two different positions though. Between the two I’m taking mcdaniels every time. I think Richards will be more than reliable in the paint along with ej. People have said it and cal is recruiting 4
Out on the perimeter. That’s what we will see next year it’s no secret.
 
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bucsrule8872

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The Skal comparison is spot on.

McDaniels actually might be waiting to make sure we have the 5 spot secure before committing to come here. He is a stretch 4, but if we only have Sestina, he might be stuck playing the 5 spot like Skal was.

Might explain why he hasn't decided yet. We get Richards and/or Montgomery to go with Sestina and McDaniels doesn't have to worry about having to play/defend the 5. That frees him up to play exclusively on the perimeter, like he prefers.
 
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Bratkartoffeln

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The transfer from Virginia Tech Blackshear is the key to next season...agree?
YES! Kid starts from day one and is likely an All-SEC performer...really need him to fill a good sized void (effective scorer on front line).