and you could actually tailgate on grass right next to the stadium.
Current Bowl Possibilities
- Thread starter Doctor Worm
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I haven't been to Legion Field, but I'm surprised because that stadium was built for football. So the sight lines ought to be fine. I do understand, though, that the place is in a terrible state of disrepair, and that's why Alabama no longer plays there.
I remember the sightlines not being that great and I thought it was an embarrassing place to have a bowl game, especially because the upper deck on one of the sides collapsed and was removed.
The sight lines were ok. But didn’t feel like a real stadium. Running out of PJ pizza after a qtr at the PJ bowl always sticks out.
And the area around the stadium- maybe only WVU fans would have felt at home.
Not at all surprising. Bowls do love the brand names.
It was pretty damn cool to get to Legion Field just once!
There is NO "NU to Pinstripe" news other than 1 guy on the Nebraska free board named "Sharpy" (which, I assume, our good friend @huskersalways is simply repeating at this time). There is hardly any smoke anywhere because absolutely nothing has been decided, still as of this morning, re: RU/Neb/Mich/Minny and the 4 games we've been discussing. ZERO decisions have been made.So, if Nebraska is Pinstripe, does that definitely put Rutgers in Phoenix, or is Mayo still in play?
There’s a lot of talk amongst the NU administration folks that it’s 20% Charolette and 80% NYC. They should learn today. Iowa is deciding “choice” today or tomorrow I was told.
Where are you seeing this? Don't Tampa/Orlando have to choose in order of conference finish unless a repeat? So it would be Illinois (Orlando) and Iowa (Tampa) UNLESS a deal was cut somehow? Thx!
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The bowls can pick whomever they want as long as the teams records are “somewhat” equal. 8-4 and 7-5 are the same and 7-5 and 6-6 are the same. They are not suppose to be able to jump to 8-4 and 6-6 being the same.
If there is only one game difference the bowl may opt for the one with the most traveling fans in their opinion.
I'd feel better about discounting the Nebraska guy if his name was Dullard and not Sharpy.
My guess is the bowl committees with similar pick pools will communicate with each other because they all need to plan. There is a set pecking order, so its not like the NFL draft where you might need to lie to your competitors.
Of course, there are some contingency options where some bowls have flexibility and might seek to grab a better attraction... I'm not even sure that's true anymore with all these set bowl deals and tv deals with superconferences. But, iirc, the Sun Bowl was rather independent and might try to attract a team some other bowl thinks they can choose.
I think I may look into this... nah.. I'll just wait and see.
Yeah for some reason - right or wrong - I just THOUGHT that I had seen where those 2 (Citrus/Reliaquest) have to choose in order of conference finish AFTER the BCS teams are chosen. Then the next 4 (Mayo/Music City/Pinstripe/Rate) choose from the remaining "pool of teams" with the 2-win advantage stipulation in place for those 4 (so Music City can't pick a 6-6 team over an 8-4, for instance). I could be wrong though and, yeah, "deals" can always be cut!
I am still waking up each morning thinking about "the time-out" and how it cost us the Citrus Bowl. I was kind of hoping Michigan might strong arm it's way into that game as that would strangely make me feel better, knowing we wouldn't have gotten it anyway. But if Michigan is getting Tampa at Iowa's expense, that only solidifies the fact we were getting Citrus.
Signed,
Guy that will not have a giant Cheez-It cracker sewn on his RU jersey.
How about this one to keep your knightmares fueled.. what if we went 10-2 like so many wish-casted? No way we'd get into CFP the way it is all being discussed, right? It is being said if SMU loses to Clemson they are OUT at 11-2 in favor of Bama, Clemson having taken the ACC auto-bid and bye as champs. 11-1 Indiana is in.. but a 10-2 Rutgers.. not.
I always felt like 10-2 was a pipe dream. But you're right that if they played a little better against Nebraska, UCLA, and Illinois, there it is. I temper that with the fact we could have easily lost to VT or Washington. But in the end, a stupid decision is what cost us the conference's premier bowl destination.
Nebraska was just never going to happen. I was there. It was like playing football in the middle of a desert on a hot summer day with a windstorm too. Yeah, they had the same conditions too, but that game is a throwaway in my book.
Greg is good for 1 or 2 games where a poor or mediocre QB looks like a Heisman winner when they play us. Garbers had a game, and so did the Wisconsin QB, whose name I can't remember.
A "throwaway?" We were inside the 50 8 times - EIGHT - and came away with 7 points. Not even going to bring up the times we were inside the 30, 20, 10....ya' know....or had a 1st down inside the 5, was it, without scoring on 8(?) plays. They managed 14. We should've managed 17-21. Really, really hard to "throwaway" that one. If anything - and this is just my opinion - the Wisconsin game is the "throwaway."
Are you suggesting that TV viewership for the Pin Stripe bowl will be bad? I’m not sure why that would, at face value, be the case. Its slotted for a Saturday over a holiday week with few if any other sporting events going on. Actual viewership has more to do with the bowl match ups much more so than which venue is hosting the event. Pin Stripe picks before Detroit and Rate bowls so on average that one is probably going to have better teams.
The bottom line 1000 times over again is that attendance the day before or after Christmas will always be poor and the argument that TV viewership will be significantly better on these days than on Saturday the 28th (because perhaps more people are home prepping or recovering from the holidays) seems like a major stretch. You keep referencing my kids. Seems to me the only possible benefits out there of the two low tier bowls we are talking about (Rate and Detroit) are the small subset of fans like you who want an excuse to travel over the holiday and the players on the team who prefer to take a team trip (at the expense of skipping Christmas with their families).
Once again - I am not remotely suggesting the Pin Stripe has benefits over any of the other Bowl choices - only the Rate and Detroit for the reasons above. The Rate is not the former Insight bowl. 26th is different from the 27th. Materially so.
Yes - it’s absolutely a throw away because guess what? On a normal day most of those trips in the red zone would’ve ended in FGs for us. We have a good kicker. Nebraska had the worst kicker in the game. Conditions not being conducive to kicking was a tremendous advantage for them in the game. And AK was also completely immobile breaking in that brace making it impossible to execute a QB hand off. Do you not think that played a role? It was so obvious early on that Nebraska didn’t even have to defend that possibility at all. He was practically limping.
So the game which we got inexplicably blown out, AT HOME in beautiful weather, wasn't the "throwaway?" Gotcha. I'm just gonna go ahead and disagree wit that but it really doesn't matter at this point.
1) ratings should be good for Pinstripe on THAT Saturday, I agree
2) Rate IS the former "Insight Bowl (originally The Copper Bowl)"....not sure why you're saying otherwise?
3) Detroit, unless IU stunningly drops out of the playoff race, isn't in play for B1G teams this year
Huh? Of course not. We dropped the ball in the Wisconsin game. Our D completely sucked and offense wasn’t much better.
But what does that have to do with Nebraska? Nobody was going to throw well in those wind gusts and FGs were impossible. Their place kicked entered the game with the kicking Yips. He was 1 of 5 on the season. At the time, it was a huge advantage for them taking the kicking game out of play.
You and I have very different ideas of what a "throwaway" game is my friend. We could have WON the Nebraska game, late, we had ZERO chance in that Wisconsin game from the opening drive of the 2nd quarter. Hence, you can "throw away" the Wisconsin game whereas the Nebraska game, OUCH, that one hurts!!!
Eh, all good, not gonna argue.
On 2 - I’m saying it is not the same caliber Bowl as it was when we played in it as the Insight because the date moved from the 27th to the 26th. The date is what makes it an unattractive option now.
On 3 - this was a general point about the bowl tie ins. the point I was making is that Detroit on Christmas Eve is almost always going to have worse live attendance and worse viewership than the Pin Stripe Bowl (all else equal). Under the current contract - the probability of drawing a MAC team is also higher as a BIG team playing in Detroit than drawing a G5 opponent in the Pin Stripe.
There are lots of fun bowl options that are way better than playing in the Pin stripe. The reality of these two bowls though is that they are only superior to the local draw for the players and fans who want the opportunity to take a trip to watch a bowl game and don’t care that it impacts their holiday plans.
2) gotcha
3) agree....i know plenty of families that have attended 1 or all of the games in The Bronx but either a) nobody or b) only a parent/the parents have travelled to other destinations
I think if we had defeated Illinois, Michigan would have gotten the Citrus.
With its 9-3 record, Illinois was pretty much locked into the Citrus, due to the two-win rule. The only other team that could have been taken was 8-4 Iowa, but they were excluded due to the no-repeat rule.
However, if both Illinois and RU had finished 8-4, then 7-5 Michigan would have been in play for the Citrus, and IMO would have gotten it due to the strength of their brand.
Was that the game that a deep shot downfield hit Black in the side of the helmet?
yes, and total yards were even, but we couldn't convert in the red zone - easily a game we could've won, but NE also played well when it counted...
Bowls don't care about a single game ratings. They are paid regardless of big or small viewership. These contracts are done years in advanced. The extra money they earn is form attendance and local sponsors.
All indications (from what I heard personally, and otherwise....) are that f we had beaten Illinois we were going to The Citrus Bowl with a "W" over MSU. Apparently those words more-or-less came out of the Citrus Bowl reps mouth when we took then lead then, when we blew it, he shook his head and left the VIP area. IIRC there'a a poster here who was sitting/standing next to him at the time.
Not so fast my friend: they most definitely DO care about the ratings. There are a few "ESPN" bowls that draw less than 10k each year with a couple typically under 5K (turnstile).
ESPN cares for ratings every year. Long term Bowls only care approaching their next contract with ESPN or whoever. TV money paid to the bowls is signed years ahead. If they have a one bad ratings in a 5/6 year contract it doesn't hurt them on the next contract. They get no bonus for good ratings.
Yes the sight lines were fine. Kinda strange playing a Bowl Game in a dilapidated stadium.
Loved the $5 Tall Boys of Miller High Life sold out of the huge metal tubs at the concession stands .