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I'm not directing my responses to the world, just to one particular party here, in our country, and I admit I'm jaded after two failed coup attempts...and we've been telling you guys it's a world wide pandemic and wondered why your side kept trying to pin this on one man, here, in this country.


My side. There you go again, with that nonsense. It’s like your are just trying to be dense. I have told you before I voted for Trump in 16 and have voted for many Republicans, especially on the state level. I’m not the one with an agenda here talking about “you guys” and “your side.” I believe that it is fair to factually discuss things like our response to the outbreak, why are you so married to identity politics that you can’t?
 

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It just sounds redundant on its face.
I'm sure, if there's anything to this, or, is but part of the bigger whole of the bodies and viruses interactions, which I suspect, and this may be not seen in the correct light, these findings, we will soon know.

The FE2+ to FE3+ is the natural way it works in the body. That has nothing to do with what the coronavirus is doing. It really didn't need to be in the blog post. I don't know why you are focusing on that particular item.

FE2+ and FE3+ are just different states of oxidation of iron.
 

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You are at least partially correct about the problems with the left. I think they are stuck on some old beliefs, etc. But really the biggest problem is they have turned into the old Republicans. The Democratic Part is a huge political machine, that doesn’t actually listen to, or reflect the values of, its base. The Democratic machine is really out of control, grabbing for power, and is it’s own worst enemy. And to be honest, this doesn’t play as well with their base, as that sort of thing does for Republicans.

Clinton and Obama won elections because they were able to inspire their base and relate to common people. But this was in spite of the party, not because of it (more so Obama, as Clinton helped create this thing). It’s like Labron going to the Cavs, just because they won in the short term, doesn’t mean they suddenly became a well run organization.

I could could go on and on about the issues with the left, but would love to hear what you see are the problems with the right? Since you said you do see their own problems.

The godless left and religious right comments also cracked me up. It really is amazing how we latch onto narratives and taking points that are not always based in reality. For instance, Trump is now a God fearing Christian because he is a Republican President, come on. We also see it with economics, it’s like both parties have convinced so many people to vote against their economic interest. Almost all of the working poor I know are huge Republicans and most of the wealthy people I know are Democrats (with exceptions to both of course). Both are voting against their own economic interests. Most of us fall in the middle, but often do this too and many honestly don’t know they are doing it because of the stereotypes and narratives pushed. I think it is getting worse, too with the “eco chamber” of social media. People just keeping hearing the same thing and reinforcing what they already believe and creating such extreme identity politics.
And is why the old guard never fully embraced the religious right. But, over time, they understood this, and have since moved on beyond this.
Thus the tea party etc.
Everyone wants a better world, the right knew you can't shove morality down others throats and expect them to be happy,to comply or to change. The left has yet to learn that lesson, as they pretend to hold the higher moral ground.
I easily put this to the side, knowing this, but in this pandemic, it's those who can't that are stuck, that may cause harm going forwards.
 

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The FE2+ to FE3+ is the natural way it works in the body. That has nothing to do with what the coronavirus is doing. It really didn't need to be in the blog post. I don't know why you are focusing on that particular item.
Isn't that what causes the iron load as I stated above?
 

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Isn't that what causes the iron load as I stated above?

No.

"Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own."
 

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they shouldn't report it at all. in fact, it's not reporting. it's parroting. we all know those officials aren't credible, and so do they.

no decisions should be made because of media. the lifeblood of a democracy is a well-informed public.







"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." So true. D!pshits (and sheep) galore.
 
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No.

"Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own."
Thank you, missed that.
It's plausible, determining the causal effects and amounts. Instead of leftover dead material of typical body processing, poisons through infection, it has other effects as well.
Interesting
 

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Joe’s in!

 

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My side. There you go again, with that nonsense. It’s like your are just trying to be dense. I have told you before I voted for Trump in 16 and have voted for many Republicans, especially on the state level. I’m not the one with an agenda here talking about “you guys” and “your side.” I believe that it is fair to factually discuss things like our response to the outbreak, why are you so married to identity politics that you can’t?

Are you trying to say none of your posts have had a leftist slant?

I would say some have.
 

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And is why the old guard never fully embraced the religious right. But, over time, they understood this, and have since moved on beyond this.
Thus the tea party etc.
Everyone wants a better world, the right knew you can't shove morality down others throats and expect them to be happy,to comply or to change. The left has yet to learn that lesson, as they pretend to hold the higher moral ground.
I easily put this to the side, knowing this, but in this pandemic, it's those who can't that are stuck, that may cause harm going forwards.

I will also add on the note of the Democratic machine destroying the party. One of the reasons I voted for Trump was his grassroots approach (and Hillary being a garbage candidate created by the machine). This has been missing for the Democratic Party (with the exception of Obama, who again did it in spite of the party.) I wouldn’t vote for Sanders, as I simply didn’t believe in his vision, but I appreciated how he understood the need to for grassroots campaigns and actually relating to and hearing his base. If sane candidates with mainstream, common sense views would adopt this approach, politics would be a whole lot more tolerable.

And what do you see as the issues with the right? We have both given plenty of examples of the political failings of the left (I could go on). But you said you see the failings of both sides.
 

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My worries are, like the old right, where say, insisting on full church attendence will cause harm in todays pandemic, I worry the left too will seek a action through government with the same effects, yet mandated by the government upon us all.
 

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I will also add on the note of the Democratic machine destroying the party. One of the reasons I voted for Trump was his grassroots approach (and Hillary being a garbage candidate created by the machine). This has been missing for the Democratic Party (with the exception of Obama, who again did it in spite of the party.) I wouldn’t vote for Sanders, as I simply didn’t believe in his vision, but I appreciated how he understood the need to for grassroots campaigns and actually relating to and hearing his base. If sane candidates with mainstream, common sense views would adopt this approach, politics would be a whole lot more tolerable.

And what do you see as the issues with the right? We have both given plenty of examples of the political failings of the left (I could go on). But you said you see the failings of both sides.
I'm all for an oldstyle democrat, when unions were needed to keep workers from abuse, where they cared about the common man, but they have moved away from this, and the void was filled by Trump.

He may be an a**hole at times, but he's our a**hole.
 

yort2000

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Thank you, missed that.
It's plausible, determining the causal effects and amounts. Instead of leftover dead material of typical body processing, poisons through infection, it has other effects as well.
Interesting

The interesting thought to me is that:

1. Do all coronaviruses exhibit this behavior and that this particular one (COVID-19) mutated (in bats possibly) to last longer so that it is now lasting longer against the human immune system and being able to reach this state in a larger percent of people infected?,

2. Or, is it a mutated strain of the coronavirus that is the only one that exhibits this behavior?

It will be interesting to see if we ever find out.
 

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I predicted some years ago during an early deployment to Afghanistan the right would win the abortion fight, the argument for increase military/Intel spending and authorities, and an occasional tax cut. Everything else would drift left.

Nearly 20 years later I don't see anything that leads me to change that prediction. If anything Trump has solidified and sped up the economic drift leftward. He's not PC but that war was won by the left far before he was a candidate.
 

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Does Killary give it one more go? There is no way the Democratic Party can run Joe Biden, unless they are trying to get his female VP the nod. The guy is, quite sadly, deteriorating before our eyes. It's easy to laugh at the gaffes because it's politics, but man... I just feel bad for the guy. Get him out of there and let the guy go away in peace instead of continually embarrass himself and his family. We are going to look back and ask ourselves why he was allowed to continue.
 

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The interesting thought to me is that:

1. Do all coronaviruses exhibit this behavior and that this particular one (COVID-19) mutated (in bats possibly) to last longer so that it is now lasting longer against the human immune system and being able to reach this state in a larger percent of people infected?,

2. Or, is it a mutated strain of the coronavirus that only exhibits this behavior?

It will be interesting to see if we ever find out.
It's simply much more infectious.
Not just getting it, not as deadly either, but just getting it is the interactions itself.
Does it grind on ,being so infectious,as it works its way through the body?
Yes.
 

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I predicted some years ago during an early deployment to Afghanistan the right would win the abortion fight, the argument for increase military/Intel spending and authorities, and an occasional tax cut. Everything else would drift left.

Nearly 20 years later I don't see anything that leads me to change that prediction. If anything Trump has solidified and sped up the economic drift leftward. He's not PC but that war was won by the left far before he was a candidate.
I wouldn't say the economic pov has shifted as much as the understanding of absolutes within the right has.
There's a time and place for everything, and as we've gone blindly down the path on spending, most are keeping their eye on it.
A draconian reaction may be needed down the road

We can try before it becomes simply a reality
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Does Killary give it one more go? There is no way the Democratic Party can run Joe Biden, unless they are trying to get his female VP the nod. The guy is, quite sadly, deteriorating before our eyes. It's easy to laugh at the gaffes because it's politics, but man... I just feel bad for the guy. Get him out of there and let the guy go away in peace instead of continually embarrass himself and his family. We are going to look back and ask ourselves why he was allowed to continue.

Listened to him for abut 3-4 minutes yesterday and he sounded better than I've ever heard him and I was quite shocked actually. I couldn't help but wonder if it was an old clip being passed off as new, because I agree with you he's going downhill right before our eyes, but yesterday for a few minutes I was really happy for him. He sounded completely normal.
 

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Listened to him for abut 3-4 minutes yesterday and he sounded better than I've ever heard him and I was quite shocked actually. I couldn't help but wonder if it was an old clip being passed off as new, because I agree with you he's going downhill right before our eyes, but yesterday for a few minutes I was really happy for him. He sounded completely normal.

That might be a first. The little they are putting him on TV has been a train wreck and that is why his campaign started limiting him.
 

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I'm all for an oldstyle democrat, when unions were needed to keep workers from abuse, where they cared about the common man, but they have moved away from this, and the void was filled by Trump.

He may be an a**hole at times, but he's our a**hole.

Trump has filled the pro union and common man void? Are you saying he is pro union and middle/lower class?
 

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It's simply much more infectious.
Not just getting it, not as deadly either, but just getting it is the interactions itself.
Does it grind on ,being so infectious,as it works its way through the body?
Yes.

No proof this is any more infectious than other coronaviruses or other upper respiratory infections.

"Coronaviruses are important human and animal pathogens. During epidemics, they are the cause of up to one-third of community-acquired upper respiratory tract infections in adults and probably also play a role in severe respiratory infections in both children and adults"

"Seasonality — Community-acquired coronaviruses are ubiquitous; wherever investigators have looked, they have been detected. In temperate climates, coronavirus respiratory infections occur primarily in the winter, although smaller peaks are sometimes seen in the fall or spring, and infections can occur at any time of the year"

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/c...rch=coronavirus&language=en-US&source=preview

"Most people experience an average of 2 respiratory infections each year; these infections can lead to severe disease in high risk populations, which include young children, the elderly, and anyone with weakened or compromised immune systems"

https://www.genmarkdx.com/disease-states/respiratory-infections/
 

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Listened to him for abut 3-4 minutes yesterday and he sounded better than I've ever heard him and I was quite shocked actually. I couldn't help but wonder if it was an old clip being passed off as new, because I agree with you he's going downhill right before our eyes, but yesterday for a few minutes I was really happy for him. He sounded completely normal.

I’m afraid he’ll be fine for speeches and rehearsed discussions, but open debates and questions will be a train-wreck. Regardless, I am fairly confident Biden will win the popular vote, the only question is if he can pick up the Big Ten states (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan) to tilt the electoral college. Otherwise he needs Florida, North Carolina and Arizona to win.
 
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Rivals removed my archived link, or it linked the original article and won't let me link the archive.

Here is blog post:

Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

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Apr 5 · 8 min read
In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.

The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.

Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.

When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.

Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:

1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the **** is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others. Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does… EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

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Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT). BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the **** is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.

The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.

Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.

The story with Hydroxychloroquine
All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.

Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.

Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:

  1. Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage.
  2. Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells. Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.
  3. Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up.
  4. Don’t trust China. China is ASSHOE. (disclaimer: not talking about the people, just talking about the regime). They covered this up and have caused all kinds of death and carnage, both literal and economic. The ripples of this pandemic will be felt for decades.
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Trump has filled the pro union and common man void? Are you saying he is pro union and middle/lower class?

As a billionaire I don't really think the Donald really gives two craps about unions. My dad's been in construction 40 years and doesn't enjoy the union run around so I would find it hard to believe the Donald as a construction mogul does either.

However his economic platform contains significant amount of Democrat protectionist policies.
 

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Listened to him for abut 3-4 minutes yesterday and he sounded better than I've ever heard him and I was quite shocked actually. I couldn't help but wonder if it was an old clip being passed off as new, because I agree with you he's going downhill right before our eyes, but yesterday for a few minutes I was really happy for him. He sounded completely normal.

Joe’s Video from yesterday has been removed from you tube. I got to see it before removal. He was bad, so bad comments & the video are gone.

“ 1 day ago - About: TODAY brings you the latest headlines and expert tips on money, ... Joe Biden: 'We Cannot Delay The November Election' | TODAY ...
 

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Are you trying to say none of your posts have had a leftist slant?

I would say some have.

Sure some do. But does that mean becomes “my side”. That identity politics stuff is silly. I don’t like the way Trump has handled this. I think a person should be able to say this. It doesn’t mean you love Hillary Clinton, or are part of some grand conspiracy to take down the President. You can be a Republican and/or support the President and not throw a fit when someone questions him, we all should at times. That’s why I have fired back over nonsense like accusing posters from one side of being brainwashed, while eating up drivel from shock jocks on the other side. Guess what, extremist on both side suck and push dangerous agendas. We should all look at things through our own lense and not eat up every single word of one part.
 

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No proof this is any more infectious than other coronaviruses or other upper respiratory infections.

"Coronaviruses are important human and animal pathogens. During epidemics, they are the cause of up to one-third of community-acquired upper respiratory tract infections in adults and probably also play a role in severe respiratory infections in both children and adults"

"Seasonality — Community-acquired coronaviruses are ubiquitous; wherever investigators have looked, they have been detected. In temperate climates, coronavirus respiratory infections occur primarily in the winter, although smaller peaks are sometimes seen in the fall or spring, and infections can occur at any time of the year"

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/c...rch=coronavirus&language=en-US&source=preview

"Most people experience an average of 2 respiratory infections each year; these infections can lead to severe disease in high risk populations, which include young children, the elderly, and anyone with weakened or compromised immune systems"

https://www.genmarkdx.com/disease-states/respiratory-infections/
The numbers alone prove it is.
 

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No proof this is any more infectious than other coronaviruses or other upper respiratory infections.

"Coronaviruses are important human and animal pathogens. During epidemics, they are the cause of up to one-third of community-acquired upper respiratory tract infections in adults and probably also play a role in severe respiratory infections in both children and adults"

"Seasonality — Community-acquired coronaviruses are ubiquitous; wherever investigators have looked, they have been detected. In temperate climates, coronavirus respiratory infections occur primarily in the winter, although smaller peaks are sometimes seen in the fall or spring, and infections can occur at any time of the year"

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/c...rch=coronavirus&language=en-US&source=preview

"Most people experience an average of 2 respiratory infections each year; these infections can lead to severe disease in high risk populations, which include young children, the elderly, and anyone with weakened or compromised immune systems"

https://www.genmarkdx.com/disease-states/respiratory-infections/
Look at SARS, its cousin, then the numbers
 

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As a billionaire I don't really think the Donald really gives two craps about unions. My dad's been in construction 40 years and doesn't enjoy the union run around so I would find it hard to believe the Donald as a construction mogul does either.

However his economic platform contains significant amount of Democrat protectionist policies.
He's had to work with unions at every step. Especially out east.
He knows the workermen.
He also knows, whats good for them as well, even if the dems buy those who run the unions, while some states mandate where those unions political contributions go, the workermen may think otherwise, if Trump is heping them out.
So, it's no surprise that union heads vote dem down the line, not so for the workermen.
 
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