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I'm really late to the party, but what's pathetic is that Maddow actually mis-quoted Trump then tries to claim he's wrong because of her own fake quote.

On 3/19 Trump said, "Those two ships are being prepared to go, and they can be launched over the next week or so."

Totally dishonest and this is exactly why people don't trust the MSM.
Who is this Rachel...is she like Secretary of State or Vice President or something...why is her level of honesty being compared to the most powerful man in the world? She must be really powerful...
 

NorthwoodHusker

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No I'm just trying to guess. Cellex is not an insulin type test ...but it was the one just approved days ago. It needs a lab. Based on the fact it's complex enough to need a lab it doesn't seem likely to me that it is produced faster than 500k a day. But maybe not as slow as 50k a day. 50k a day is still 3 million tests a month though and would meet his millions phrasing.

The Scanwell test is like an at home insulin test...that's the one made in China at 500k a day. It's not FDA approved and we're not likely to get the bulk of it if it were.

The comparison to insulin is useful as a rough guidepost. It lets us know the general scale at which it can be produced but unlike insulin they need a hundred or so million doses right now starting from zero. Insulin has years of stock and multiple producers.
I'm more interested in how is there true confirmation, as the economy gets back on track.
Does this have to be done in front of an employer, pharmacist etc?
Because at some point, opening things up will require checking,by whom and to what level, who knows?
But,we certainly dont want stir crazy non antibodied folks running around either.
 

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Who is this Rachel...is she like Secretary of State or Vice President or something...why is her level of honesty being compared to the most powerful man in the world? She must be really powerful...
Actually,she's they? are a person who spends years on conspiracy theories, to the point, very few actually listen to her,they? once those conspiracies are shot to hell.
That help?
 

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And as dingle and I were talking about the ordering of who gets the test first is important.

I think between elderly folks and hospital workers he got like 70 or 80 million folks. There's about 165 million in the labor force. There's another hundred million kids.

So like if we're going to do wrist bands of folks that have anti bodies and go back to work....

That first month of production is likely to be ate up by medical folks and some of the most at risk elderly. It seems most likely to me however that the first 80 million doses are going to go to the most at risk population which is elderly and medical folks.

If we assume that an American insulin type test can be produced at the same rate as the Scanwell test (500k a day) then the first six months or so of production will only cover at risk folks and not labor force.

Scanwell is supposedly an American company with Chinese production facilities so even if we're generous and say that another company could replicate their product and make it twice or three times as fast you still aren't testing gen pop labor force until about July 4th. And that seems like a decent if.
 

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Who is this Rachel...is she like Secretary of State or Vice President or something...why is her level of honesty being compared to the most powerful man in the world? She must be really powerful...

Holy cow man, did you just wake up from your nap all grumpy? The china virus appears to be on the way out, have you heard? You're gonna make it!
 

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And as dingle and I were talking about the ordering of who gets the test first is important.

I think between elderly folks and hospital workers he got like 70 or 80 million folks. There's about 165 million in the labor force. There's another hundred million kids.

So like if we're going to do wrist bands of folks that have anti bodies and go back to work....

That first month of production is likely to be ate up by medical folks and some of the most at risk elderly. It seems most likely to me however that the first 80 million doses are going to go to the most at risk population which is elderly and medical folks.

If we assume that an American insulin type test can be produced at the same rate as the Scanwell test (500k a day) then the first six months or so of production will only cover at risk folks and not labor force.

Scanwell is supposedly an American company with Chinese production facilities so even if we're generous and say that another company could replicate their product and make it twice or three times as fast you still aren't testing gen pop labor force until about July 4th. And that seems like a decent if.
True, but limiting on need should be current.
A business doesnt ramp up without need, to sustain its business. So, the current supply/model has changed.
Supplies, as you pointed out, not making product, but before that, in order to make product supplies are the unknowns.
So, the business model has changed, and real time, just in time supplies have of course been drastically altered, which means priorities have also changed, so, don't count on that half million number.
And dont count on just one supplier, as they were testing many for purity testing.
 

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If we stay at home for the rest of our lives nobody will ever die outside doing anything like driving a car or walking across the street only to get hit by a bus and no more skydiving deaths either not to mention people who go on vacations and die doing something dangerous or not so dangerous like flying......if I decide to leave my house anyway, and so do you, does that mean we're accepting a risk on some level that we might not come back home, and don't we do it anyway? This virus has less than a 1% death rate...it isn't worth ruining our economy for.
This does not have a less that 1% death rate. As of when I am typing this, we are looking at a 2.9% death rate in the US. For comparison, the regular flu is at 0.1%, and the Swine Flu was 0.02%.

You have the right to risk your own health. You do not have the right to risk the health of others.

We have had recessions and depressions before, and we've recovered from them. I have yet to have someone I cared about come back from the dead.

So....can you tell me about the people in your life that you're willing to sacrifice for the economy? Better yet....if you catch this thing, and it turns out you have an underlying condition that you didn't know of, and will need a ventilator to have a chance of surviving, are you willing to pass on the ventilator?
 

Nebraska_Reality

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Models being revised down again from models set up after the lock down. These "experts" and their models have no clue.
And yet I'll take their word over the word of some yahoo on a college football chat board.....

Crazy, huh?

You also didn't provide a list of people you care about whose lives your willing to sacrifice. I don't need names, just titles (father, aunt, etc.).
 

NorthwoodHusker

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This is old news, put up for those who don't know basics of use for the drug, never making the claims this berserker is trying to feed to those who are ignorant,or choose to be.
More deniers,anti scientific flat earthers.
Nothing to see here, truly.
 

Nebraska_Reality

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How do you know that?
Let's see here.....we are 37 days out from our first C19 death, and we are already up to over 10,000 deaths.

At that rate, I'd say that there's a pretty good chance that we hit 100,000 by the end of May with no protective measures.
 

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True, but limiting on need should be current.
A business doesnt ramp up without need, to sustain its business. So, the current supply/model has changed.
Supplies, as you pointed out, not making product, but before that, in order to make product supplies are the unknowns.
So, the business model has changed, and real time, just in time supplies have of course been drastically altered, which means priorities have also changed, so, don't count on that half million number.
And dont count on just one supplier, as they were testing many for purity testing.

Apparently Cellex is also an American company with production in two sites in China.

According to the FDA their drug was approved for provider administration only by authorized labs but not in general. Hence the emergency use.

About the multiple producers...we may not need thrm . The FDA basically appears to have said they won't stand in the way of non authorized distribution of tests assuming they are marked properly.

There's a list of about fifty of these companies who have the intent to sell on the FDA website..most from China. I wouldn't be surprised if the American companies are essentially Chinese production as well.

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...al-devices/faqs-diagnostic-testing-sars-cov-2
 

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Actually,she's they? are a person who spends years on conspiracy theories, to the point, very few actually listen to her,they? once those conspiracies are shot to hell.
That help?
Exactly, just like Tucker Carlson. No one would listen to someone peddling partisan conspiracy theories right?
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Apparently Cellex is also an American company with production in two sites in China.

According to the FDA their drug was approved for provider administration only by authorized labs but not in general. Hence the emergency use.

About the multiple producers...we may not need thrm . The FDA basically appears to have said they won't stand in the way of non authorized distribution of tests assuming they are marked properly.

There's a list of about fifty of these companies who have the intent to sell on the FDA website..most from China. I wouldn't be surprised if the American companies are essentially Chinese production as well.

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...al-devices/faqs-diagnostic-testing-sars-cov-2
Thank you.
For all the resourcing and to dingle too.

There are two paths going forwards for each of us. How well we live within those paths is on us.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Like Tucker Carlson. No one would listen to someone peddling partisan conspiracy theories right?
Don't know? I do know, china expects us to believe, like they tell their people, that new york has more dead than china does.
Is it something like that?
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Ok, starting with the knowledge that's chinas official numbers, their credibility, plus the governments around the world who found out chinas helps are trash puts china in a certain light.
Now, since this moscow madow persons words ,beliefs etc, has destroyed her own viewership, which is the opposite of what Carlson has done, is the starting point.

So, what did he say? That china may have started this? They are obviously covering it up. A lot of facts, as they want to lead in this, where it started, and causing harm by doing so.
 

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I'm not sure if those things have happened. I think I saw where there were some reports of suicides and murders that may have been tied to job layoffs. But what I'm saying is that if you are asking someone to determine if the lockdown efforts are effective, they would need to consider the totality of the effect of those efforts. I haven't been able to find any estimates of the long term effects of those efforts as measured in lives, but would find it useful in determining if the lockdown is worth the risk.
I don't think there's a way to compare deciding to kill oneself or commit a crime (both of which are choices...and the suicidal person was likely heading there before this all happened), to catching a virus that no one wants.
 

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Wonder how much time they spend together, watch for them at the parrrty!
Maybe they'll dance together.

Good ol helter stelter, the original berserker,ob hisself
 

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Would be nice. Would like to go back to arguing about why fourth team snaps matter at qb.
 

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Ok, starting with the knowledge that's chinas official numbers, their credibility, plus the governments around the world who found out chinas helps are trash puts china in a certain light.
Now, since this moscow madow persons words ,beliefs etc, has destroyed her own viewership, which is the opposite of what Carlson has done, is the starting point.

So, what did he say? That china may have started this? They are obviously covering it up. A lot of facts, as they want to lead in this, where it started, and causing harm by doing so.
Sorry, I don't differentiate between shock jocks, based on their political beliefs. I don't think anyone, especially world leaders, should give them the time of day.
 

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This does not have a less that 1% death rate. As of when I am typing this, we are looking at a 2.9% death rate in the US. For comparison, the regular flu is at 0.1%, and the Swine Flu was 0.02%.
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I don't know why you act holier than thou when you can't even do math.

You don't know the death rate.

Considering the high number of asymptomatic carriers of this virus it's very likely the true death rate of those who get it is under 1%.

Taking limited confirmed tests and dividing it by a fraudulent number of dead and then parading it as some gotcha number is disingenuous at best but probably more incompetence.

Next you'll try to extrapolated that ******** 2.9% number and claim 9 million plus are going to die. More incompetence.

Then you'll tell us how we're picking who is going to live and die. Ignoring that old people in poor health die every single day and that until they hijacked the death numbers and started calling it coronavirus 50k were dying on avg every month to pneumonia. You'll also ignore the fact that the vast majority of the dead were over 70 and had other serious health issues.

Why you want to be like this I have no idea. But it isn't reality.
 

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Let's see here.....we are 37 days out from our first C19 death, and we are already up to over 10,000 deaths.

At that rate, I'd say that there's a pretty good chance that we hit 100,000 by the end of May with no protective measures.

That's because youre beyond terrible at math.
 

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Nobody from Arkansas knows or knew anything. Too bust arranging accidents and suicides to know anything.
 

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Would be nice. Would like to go back to arguing about why fourth team snaps matter at qb.
The longer this goes the more optimistic I'm getting and the more pissed I am at several networks and posters on this board. There is no question that when Charlie Marlowe started the original thread, I was extremely concerned about what this could do in our country. I never believed we would take the steps we have. Cuomo etal are idiots. I was saying in early February that urban areas needed to shut down mass transit for starters and then bars etc. New York's subways were still packed up until a couple of weeks ago.

Now the politicians on the east coast are trying to cram a f'n lockdown on the midwest. Turns out the worst of the COVID-19 problems in New York were in the low income inner city. Hmmm. Might be that there is a large population of poorly educated people engaging in risky behavior regardless of public health guidelines. FORCING A NATIONWIDE LOCKDOWN ON RURAL STATES IS STUPID. Period. I'm starting to move from the WORRIED side of this discussion to the WE'VE GOT THIS side. Just keep doing the social distancing. Be careful when you're out in public with what you touch and I think we'll be fine. Be stupid and careless and you might get sick. I'm really starting to believe that we have a much larger number of people who had it and are immune than was previously thought. Antibody testing and keeping our economy running now I think need to take center stage.
 

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I know Nebraska isn't at the stay at home orders point but are their businesses that are closed or is everything open and it's business as usual?
 

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I know Nebraska isn't at the stay at home orders point but are their businesses that are closed or is everything open and it's business as usual?

My folks said it's modified. Restaurants are like take out or drive thru only etc.

There was some stuff from the Omaha mayor and governor a week ago about how compliance needed to be better or they might have to do more strict measures. I believe stothert specific called out like big box stores home depot etc
 
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