Covid 6.0

Status
Not open for further replies.
Feb 16, 2011
1,979
807
0
xrugger, glad you have everything figured out. I was just stating facts and statements I had seen from multiple people. I also indicated both sides have an agenda. So sorry I bothered you that much.
 
Sep 23, 2005
18,868
3,620
0
Macready developed a new blood test
 

xrugger

Junior
Aug 15, 2001
396
211
0
Would you take the CDC's written word for it?

You and your constant drumbeat is getting past annoying. I'll repeat what I said in more detail in a long-buried post regarding the role of government, the virus CoV-SARS2, and the panoply of medical disorders it causes, Covid-19. It is the first duty of government to protect its citizens. An important part of that is to anticipate and prepare for worst case scenarios. That is why we spent so much on the military and the military spends a great deal on planning for worst case scenarios. There is no reason that it should be any different with worst case medical preparations and response.
You keep hammering on the modeling. Models are only as good as the parameters that are input and we know way to little about CoV-SARS2, in part because of the lack of testing in the US. Perhaps, some of the assumptions will turn out to be overly pessimistic. I'd rather that than the opposite.
If you are so certain that this is nothing more than a flu, then go volunteer on covid at a hospital then go home to the missus or your mother. They are at risk? Well, they'd have died anyway according to the logic you seem to be espousing.
This current scenario has actually been long predicted to happen via a mutated flu strain. Yes, a couple of adaptive mutations in the influenza virus could hit like a ton of bricks. Flu only kills as many as it does because there is partial immunity in the population due to previous exposure and vaccines that anticipate the predominant strain that will be circulating a year or two in advance. Scientists have been working to develop strain-independent or "universal" flu vaccines but they aren't there yet.
I recognize that some deaths attributed to covid may actually be from something else but I am equally cognizant that the reverse is also true.
As for me, I am staying at home as much as possible and wearing a mask when I'm not. I do that not just to avoid contact with those who aren't taking this seriously but also to avoid the potential that I could be an asymptomatic carrier that could infect others. I live daily with the knowledge that my daughter is an emergency room physician and she is on the front lines.
 

Newbomb_Turk1

Redshirt
Nov 22, 2019
540
0
0
Have heard reports from other countries and now hearing reports from US. If someone comes in the hospital with injuries from a car crash. They do x rays of the chest, they are seeing symptoms in the lungs that that person has Corona virus. They test them and they test positive. Yet that person has zero physical symptoms or very minimal ,of Corona virus. If that person were to die from the injuries suffered from the accident. Their death would be classified as Corona virus related. I think there is a ton of this type of thing going on. The part we should be afraid of more than the virus is, why? Why are they desperately wanting to pad Corona virus numbers and deaths?
So people are dying with the Corona virus but not because of the Corona virus. Time we all put on our BIG BOY pants and rip the band-aid off and let this thing run its course. Get the economic pain over now and move on.
 

HuskersNC

Senior
May 23, 2010
3,329
452
0
Didn’t CBS also show a picture of a hospital in Italy and try to pass it off as a NY hospital?
A lot of women post racy pictures of themselves on Instagram trying to make money, and while that concept in itself is admittedly ridiculous, it doesn't have anything to do with her being a nurse as her primary career. This is why the university is working with Blake Lawrence and Adi Kunalic's company, hopefully so our athletes don't embarrass themselves on social media and have people automatically dismiss their opinions on things.
 

xrugger

Junior
Aug 15, 2001
396
211
0
So people are dying with the Corona virus but not because of the Corona virus. Time we all put on our BIG BOY pants and rip the band-aid off and let this thing run its course. Get the economic pain over now and move on.
Ok, put on your BIG BOY pants and go volunteer on a covid ward at a hospital and get it over with. Help is needed in many places.
 
Last edited:

NorthwoodHusker

Sophomore
Jun 20, 2019
3,526
156
0
The medias mission is going berserk, it places them at the forefront.
Those buying in, get fed through their berserk 'journalism '.

There is no direction, no end point, but one overall impact, it's all orangemans fault.
Like setting a hook, we should call it the berserk jerk.
 

leodisflowers

Senior
Feb 25, 2011
14,801
808
0
So now you too are an expert in health and economic policy? Please enlighten this poor grasshopper on exactly how it should work and why.

I responded to your comment about just walking in and volunteering at "Covid Ward". That's not how that works.... So I did enlighten you.. Go eat a Snickers...
 

jflores

All-Conference
Feb 3, 2004
8,993
2,783
0
I've been gone for twenty or so pages....

The antibody tests look helpful but I cant find anything after a quick search about how broadly available Cellex will be. It's a lab test so you are still limited by third party. Other tests that aren't approved yet like Scanwell can produce 500k a day and you do them at home. Their production facilities are in China though so it's highly unlikely we get the bulk of that product. Even at 500k tests a day you are ten months out until the entire US labor force is tested. If labs can even do that pace...that's a lot of blood draw.

I've sent other tests quote 50k unit production per day which is going to take much longer obviously. But in any sense more progress.
 

NorthwoodHusker

Sophomore
Jun 20, 2019
3,526
156
0
He didn't look healthy, prayers to him and his.
I think age plus out of shape,extra weight, other complications makes it tough.
Good luck to him.
 

NorthwoodHusker

Sophomore
Jun 20, 2019
3,526
156
0
I've been gone for twenty or so pages....

The antibody tests look helpful but I cant find anything after a quick search about how broadly available Cellex will be. It's a lab test so you are still limited by third party. Other tests that aren't approved yet like Scanwell can produce 500k a day and you do them at home. Their production facilities are in China though so it's highly unlikely we get the bulk of that product. Even at 500k tests a day you are ten months out until the entire US labor force is tested. If labs can even do that pace...that's a lot of blood draw.

I've sent other tests quote 50k unit production per day which is going to take much longer obviously. But in any sense more progress.
The terms the admiral uses are millions. These are similar to insulin testing
 

NorthwoodHusker

Sophomore
Jun 20, 2019
3,526
156
0
Hmm ok. 500k a day is 15 million a month. 165 million labor force. Not bad.
So, your resources are greater than the admirals? Ok
And, just how many people check their blood levels every day?

Now, there me be certification down the road, to be officially cleared, or it may be where theyre sold.
I dont claim to know more than the admiral, so I don't know.
 

jflores

All-Conference
Feb 3, 2004
8,993
2,783
0
So, your resources are greater than the admirals? Ok
And, just how many people check their blood levels every day?

Now, there me be certification down the road, to be officially cleared, or it may be where theyre sold.
I dont claim to know more than the admiral, so I don't know.

No I'm just trying to guess. Cellex is not an insulin type test ...but it was the one just approved days ago. It needs a lab. Based on the fact it's complex enough to need a lab it doesn't seem likely to me that it is produced faster than 500k a day. But maybe not as slow as 50k a day. 50k a day is still 3 million tests a month though and would meet his millions phrasing.

The Scanwell test is like an at home insulin test...that's the one made in China at 500k a day. It's not FDA approved and we're not likely to get the bulk of it if it were.

The comparison to insulin is useful as a rough guidepost. It lets us know the general scale at which it can be produced but unlike insulin they need a hundred or so million doses right now starting from zero. Insulin has years of stock and multiple producers.
 

Solana Beach Husker

All-Conference
Aug 7, 2008
14,102
1,245
0
All good info, but how are we getting to the 80.7% full? Does this take into account possible overflow at hospitals in larger areas?? My mom's side of the family is full of medical personnel and below is how they are fairing after talking with my mom last night:

Mom - Nurse in small town Nebraska - Hospital is dead, which could be expected due to location, but still says it is very slow
Aunt - Nurse - NE Dallas area - Hospital is dead and are coming up with contingencies as all of their scheduled surgeries and other treatments are postponed and they have no cash flow
Aunt/Uncle - Nurses in Austin area - Same as above. Very slow at their hospital

Also have a bunch of friends who are either doctors or nurses in random areas around the US and they are reporting a lot of the same info. I think they hot spots have the potential to be over run, but I guess what some of these stats are telling us aren't reality. At some point, all of medical field, experts and modelers all need to get on the same page and give us a little more united effort as to where we may actually sit. Yes, you can post all kinds of scary facts about diseases and viruses, but what percentage of the stuff above actually happens to people? What is there age range? WHat are the contributing factors to having the worst of the worst.

I'm not trying to down play this virus, but right now we are heading towards having 30M people out of work. Do we not think this is going to have any affect as well? People are losing everything over a virus that at one point we were talking 2M being dead, then 200K, now the latest 84K, and who knows what is next... There is going to be a ton of negative coming out of levels of unemployment rates that are higher than the Great Depression days, yet we just seem to blow that off and forget the hell a lot of people went through during those times. It shaped the hell out of my grandparents who lived through it and they talked about the nightmare it was.
I trust the president...he tells me to be safe and wear a scarf and stay home, I know he won't let me down
 

GBRforLife1

Redshirt
Feb 18, 2020
13,913
3
38
I clicked on the website.... Decent.... Just an aside for those that didn't, that graph is titled:
COVID-19 projections assuming full social distancing through May 2020

IF we go back to "normal", this would not be the expected graph and 100,000 plus would apply.

Here's another aside: That graph and the model it's based on hasn't been right once.

And if you think shutting down bars and restaurants and gyms is the solution I feel bad for you.
 

NorthwoodHusker

Sophomore
Jun 20, 2019
3,526
156
0
No I'm just trying to guess. Cellex is not an insulin type test ...but it was the one just approved days ago. It needs a lab. Based on the fact it's complex enough to need a lab it doesn't seem likely to me that it is produced faster than 500k a day. But maybe not as slow as 50k a day. 50k a day is still 3 million tests a month though and would meet his millions phrasing.

The Scanwell test is like an at home insulin test...that's the one made in China at 500k a day. It's not FDA approved and we're not likely to get the bulk of it if it were.

The comparison to insulin is useful as a rough guidepost. It lets us know the general scale at which it can be produced but unlike insulin they need a hundred or so million doses right now starting from zero. Insulin has years of stock and multiple producers.
So, the ingredients are chinese for the insulin tests? Or, the metal etc materials or all of it.
In other words, the chems needed for the protein tests seemed very available listening to the admiral
 
Status
Not open for further replies.