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NorthwoodHusker

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31 million doses...

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020...ossible-treatments-for-covid-19-patients.html

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) today accepted 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine sulfate donated by Sandoz, the Novartis generics and biosimilars division, and one million doses of chloroquine phosphate donated by Bayer Pharmaceuticals, for possible use in treating patients hospitalized with COVID-19 or for use in clinical trials.
From your link

These and other companies may donate additional doses, and companies have ramped up production to provide additional supplies of the medication to the commercial market.

So, there is no shortage for lupis or malaria patients already using the drug.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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From your link

These and other companies may donate additional doses, and companies have ramped up production to provide additional supplies of the medication to the commercial market.

So, there is no shortage for lupis or malaria patients already using the drug.
Understand, this drug was discovered in germany in the 1930s, and has been used for eighty years, its supplies and production are wide,world wide, and highly rampable, as malaria outbreaks are common
 
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You want to see a miracle in how fast and far we've adapted and overcome regarding this virus? ...make a change at the top in November...within days of the new guy at the top if the helm 90% of media coverage will do a 180 and with everything else staying the same...the same doom and gloomers we have now, will be singing a much happier and more optimistic tune and start covering the good newz they're completely ignoring now. If a change happens in November...you can bet your life what I just posted will happen.
 

MOHUSKER

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So korea says hi, you know, the model for the planet? You denying this too?
From your link

These and other companies may donate additional doses, and companies have ramped up production to provide additional supplies of the medication to the commercial market.

So, there is no shortage for lupis or malaria patients already using the drug.

FDA says it’s in shortage

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scri...Chloroquine Phosphate Tablets&st=c&tab=tabs-4

Chloroquine Phosphate Tablets
Status: Currently in Shortage
»Date first posted: 03/31/2020
»Therapeutic Categories: Anti-Infective
 

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The role of government is first national defense and then second infrastructure to promote and maintain commerce. Anything they''e done beyond that has been an utter failure.

The constitution disagrees, in order.

Establish justice
Insure domestic tranquility
Provide for the common defence
Promote the general welfare
Secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity
 

NorthwoodHusker

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The constitution disagrees, in order.

Establish justice
Insure domestic tranquility
Provide for the common defence
Promote the general welfare
Secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity
So, berserker bs goes against all of this.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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The constitution disagrees, in order.

Establish justice
Insure domestic tranquility
Provide for the common defence
Promote the general welfare
Secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity
Berserkers want to change the numbers on our courts, our traditions etc
Berserkers want no tranquility,they want panic
Bersekers want to shrink our defences
Berserkers want to promote equal welfare, nothing general about it
Berserkers want to remove our liberties, change the meanings of words, the traditions of those words, apply different meaning to long held traditions, remove our liberties, and destroy our posterity. Stop the use of the first amendment, the second amendment, change the fouth amendment.
 

MOHUSKER

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Hey @egaRdeR I found those straw men you were worried about.

Show your proof that doing nothing has a better outcome than current measures. It’s all opinion, all of the info is based off low quality, inconsistent data. We are over two months in and we don’t have a consistent way to record cases or deaths across the US, let alone the world. And we wonder why models are inaccurate?
 

MOHUSKER

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Berserkers want to change the numbers on our courts, our traditions etc
Berserkers want no tranquility,they want panic
Bersekers want to shrink our defences
Berserkers want to promote equal welfare, nothing general about it
Berserkers want to remove our liberties, change the meanings of words, the traditions of those words, apply different meaning to long held traditions, remove our liberties, and destroy our posterity. Stop the use of the first amendment, the second amendment, change the fouth amendment.

 

NorthwoodHusker

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Again, six thousand MDs planet wide, and now is the time to cite a poor example about the slowest approval system on the planet?
Drs know, fdas slow
Flat earthing our way through this, just fools and berserker panic.
This drug is a therapeutic , the claims made by the berserkers are saying its used for something else.
They don't know or are using science, just flat earthing it to berserk
 

NorthwoodHusker

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While it is encouraging for the lupus community that the HHS’ statement indicates that it will help ensure people with lupus have access to these medications, it is still unknown at this point as to exactly how the medications will get distributed and the overall impact of availability of the drugs for those who need the drugs now,”
Typical, read the headline, bury the facts. Facts dont work for berserkers when you can scream a headline ,then only read that headline.
Now,thats two links, both wrong.

Fact check, from your links, fda assures supplies, fda site, available

Looks kinda, well, berserk
 

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While it is encouraging for the lupus community that the HHS’ statement indicates that it will help ensure people with lupus have access to these medications, it is still unknown at this point as to exactly how the medications will get distributed and the overall impact of availability of the drugs for those who need the drugs now,”
Typical, read the headline, bury the facts. Facts dont work for berserkers when you can scream a headline ,then only read that headline.
Now,thats two links, both wrong.

Fact check, from your links, fda assures supplies, fda site, available

Lokks kinda, well, berserk

Friend went to CVS and was denied his 90 day refill, and was not allowed to get a 30 day supply either. Three days later he was able to get a 30 day supply fortunately.

if you think the FDA/HHS and government can acquire and distribute within 7 days to the pharmacies you are even less intelligent than I thought.
 

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Not to mention Cuomo today was talking about a "Plateau" in cases/deaths happening RIGHT NOW.

That is great news!!!
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Friend went to CVS and was denied his 90 day refill, and was not allowed to get a 30 day supply either. Three days later he was able to get a 30 day supply fortunately.

if you think the FDA/HHS and government can acquire and distribute within 7 days to the pharmacies you are even less intelligent than I thought.
So, facts are, this is available world wide. Facts are, we have massive fast tracking availability, facts are, we have already millions in our possession from donations from other countries besides the ramp up, everywhere on the planet.
But again, you cant escape your putdown cooler than you can you?
Look up israels contributions to us, other countries to us.

It may not be cool to do so, but it is facts
 

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So, facts are, this is available world wide. Facts are, we have massive fast tracking availability, facts are, we have already millions in our possession from donations from other countries besides the ramp up, everywhere on the planet.

You sound like Trump.

Did the FDA list a shortage?
Did the government acquire 31 million doses primarily for trial?
Were those doses manufactured for the government directly or were they intended for typical supply chain?
Would taking 31 million doses out of the supply chain impact normal distribution causing further shortages for retailers?
 

NorthwoodHusker

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The funny thing is...only voted blue once in my life.
Then why emulate the cooler than you hollywood tripe?
Did you not hear about israels donations? Did you not see the WH presser where we have the military to fly in whatever we need, pronto?
 

NorthwoodHusker

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You sound like Trump.

Did the FDA list a shortage?
Did the government acquire 31 million doses primarily for trial?
Were those doses manufactured for the government directly or were they intended for typical supply chain?
Would taking 31 million doses out of the supply chain impact normal distribution causing further shortages for retailers?
Only used breitbart because you're so red.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/20...n-doses-of-malaria-drug-to-fight-coronavirus/
This is old news, more is coming, more has been sent.
The fda site said it was available.

From the fda

Company Contact Information:
+91 40 23547532

Presentation Availability and Estimated Shortage Duration Related Information Shortage Reason (per FDASIA)
250 mg, 50 count bottle (NDC 64980-177-50) Available Distributed by Rising Pharmaceuticals, Customer Service Number: 201-961-9000. Increasingly larger shipments are scheduled for shipment every month over the next 8 months. Product supply is subject to freight and transportation availability. https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...ls-Responds-Pandemic-Lowering-Prices-Donating
500 mg, 25 count bottle (NDC 64980-178-02) Available Distributed by Rising Pharmaceuticals, Customer Service Number: 201-961-9000. Increasingly larger shipments are scheduled for shipment every month over the next 8 months. Product supply is subject to freight and transportation availability. https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...ls-Responds-Pandemic-Lowering-Prices-Donating
 

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Not to mention Cuomo today was talking about a "Plateau" in cases/deaths happening RIGHT NOW.

That is great news!!!

And, other good news from the presser, 74% of the people hospitalized in New York for COVID-19 have been discharged.
 

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I posted in a prior thread we should know around April 1st how our measures were working, I was off overall, but not by a ton. NY may be reaching their peak, Washington is in better shape. All encouraging signs, the next week will still bring harsh numbers, but we may be seeing the flattened part begun.
 

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So, facts are, this is available world wide. Facts are, we have massive fast tracking availability, facts are, we have already millions in our possession from donations from other countries besides the ramp up, everywhere on the planet.
But again, you cant escape your putdown cooler than you can you?
Look up israels contributions to us, other countries to us.

It may not be cool to do so, but it is facts
I don't think you understand the supply chain of medicines. What has happened over the past 35 years in the chain is that there have been multiple buyouts and mergers. Along the line companies sometimes completely quit making a drug and close plants because the drug isn't profitable enough. This is especially true for OLD drugs with generic equivalents. I don't know who makes chloroquine/hydroxychlorquine or how quickly they can ramp up production but you're wrong if you think it can happen overnight. It takes weeks to get it from the desire to increase production to then getting it to the patients. Then it isn't normally as if there's a bunch of excess factory capacity waiting around to make the stuff either. You CAN be limited by your physical plant and raw materials in how much you turn out. I see stories about pledges from major manufacturers to make the stuff but there's no comment on how long it will take to get to pharmacy shelves.
 
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I posted in a prior thread we should know around April 1st how our measures were working, I was off overall, but not by a ton. NY may be reaching their peak, Washington is in better shape. All encouraging signs, the next week will still bring harsh numbers, but we may be seeing the flattened part begun.
I've said May 1st for about 3 months now.
 

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Show your proof that doing nothing has a better outcome than current measures. It’s all opinion, all of the info is based off low quality, inconsistent data. We are over two months in and we don’t have a consistent way to record cases or deaths across the US, let alone the world. And we wonder why models are inaccurate?
There are some very good points being made on both sides of the issue of lockdowns or doing nothing. From what I'm seeing and from my scientific background I really believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I believe that total lockdowns are not beneficial enough to warrant doing them. I also believe that some things HAD to be shut down such as restaurants, bars, theaters, schools and churches. We HAVE to keep plants and supply chains up and running. We live in a "just in time" marketing world these days. We can NOT shut down the country for even 2 weeks or we will have a total collapse of our supply chain. IF people liked the TP shortage they would LOVE what would happen if we started locking down the whole country.
 

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hydroxychloroquine + azithro combo is being used quite widely - it is probably reasonable

there are some theoretical reasons why it might work -
know one knows if it has any efficacy - no one can know at this time

the way you know is a proper clinical trial - that can't be done in any kind of time frame that will prove to be helpful

1000 patients with COVID (placebo) vs 1000 patients with COVID (HC)
the two groups have to be matched by severity of illness, underlying medical conditions, etc
the management of the 2 groups - aside from the HC - needs to be exactly the same otherwise you are introducing a bunch of additional variables that can confound the results

there is a lot of press and social media about HC
clinically COVID ranges from nearly asymptomatic to critically ill with impending death

where and who you give the drug to will greatly skew one's perspective:

if you give it to people who walk into your clinic with a cough and low grade fever then you are going to think the results are amazing, as the overwhelming majority (99%) of these patients are going to do well regardless of what you do - and you are going to conclude that this is a miracle drug - this is the perspective of the NYC family practice doc that is making the rounds - he is likely seeing outpatients who aren't sick enough to need the ER or hospitalization - he also is severely restricted in getting his patients tested as these walking well really don't and can't get tested. He/we likely doesn't even know if he is treating COVID. This is akin to giving someone with the common cold a sugar pill and concluding that because they recover in 7-10 days you have found a great treatment for the cold.

on the other hand if you give HC to a patient on a ventilator with mulitorgan system failure those patients are going to die regardless but you will likely conclude the stuff doesn't work.

some data is in vitro - it might slow/kill the virus in a test tube -- so does bleach but we don't give that to patients

the data is very observational as well --- which is analogous to seeing a coin flipped 3 times and it landing heads each time and concluding that heads has a much higher chance of resulting than tails

lastly there are a mountain of clinical trials of interventions that improve "soft' endpoints - the oxygen levels improve, the blood pressure improves, the labs begin to normalize but were proven to result in worse real outcomes - more patients ultimately die

hydroxychloroquine is being used quite regularly and probably should be - but it is out of desperation and hope as there really isn't solid clinical data to say that it is helpful. It is part of "the kitchen sink" that is being thrown at the disease.

It might make things better, it might not make any difference, it might make things worse

I hope it works
 
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I wonder how many people have had their political beliefs altered by posters on a college recruiting message board
Underrated post right here.



Underrated post!

Although in my complete boredom this is pure gold entertainment.

No offense to anyone in particular, but there are some serious whackos on both sides. And this topic is putting it all on full display!
 
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No, YOU aren't understanding. All of this "data" we have to date is not about the virus, it is about the testing. You go from "0 to 60" in two weeks, of course everything is going to be exponential, because the increase in testing was exponential. No one has a clue about anything, even the "experts" because no one has any data that is meaningful.

Edit: But I'll add that it is OK for you, because you are triple dipping into the 2t stimulus plan and probably taking money away from businesses that actually need it.
I agree that the data about new cases is showing a larger percentage increase than what has actually happened but only because there was a large percentage of undiagnosed cases prior to increasing testing. That said, there is no question but that the number of hospitalized cases increased exponentially over the past 3 weeks in New York. Fortunately they FINALLY put in some mitigation practices that slowed the thing down to where, while they're stressed, the hospitals can handle the critically ill case load. IMO their case load will bounce around from day to day but remember a day to day time frame is an arbitrary counting period that isn't long term enough to get an accurate idea of where the case load is heading. We need to think in terms IMO of the trend over a week or more.
 

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I've said May 1st for about 3 months now.

Also very reasonable, the question is to me is if rural America lags the population centers. We already know rural healthcare in America has struggled, are they preparing? Or will they get it and have to ship people to larger population centers and set off another round of infections? What happens to our food supplies if rural America gets hit hard?

An Economic article actually struck me on how we define and discuss the economic package. It is simply a disaster response bill, not a true stimulus package. The stimulus packages will likely need to come later as we feel the real weight of the virus response.
 

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Also very reasonable, the question is to me is if rural America lags the population centers. We already know rural healthcare in America has struggled, are they preparing? Or will they get it and have to ship people to larger population centers and set off another round of infections? What happens to our food supplies if rural America gets hit hard?

An Economic article actually struck me on how we define and discuss the economic package. It is simply a disaster response bill, not a true stimulus package. The stimulus packages will likely need to come later as we feel the real weight of the virus response.
It is in fact a stimulus. It's an effort to increase the money supply by giving money directly to people most likely to spend it. Lowering interest rates have had little effect because people are reluctant to borrow money. There are a TON of people who are going to get money who this epidemic doesn't really affect other than having to stay inside their house.

Rural areas are ramping up control measures. Most people in the upper midwest anyway were taking measures long ago. Small towns have instituted ordinances and have shut down bars, restaurants etc without needing a central authority to tell them to. Most medical care for small towns heads in to larger referral centers. It isn't uncommon in western Nebraska or the Dakotas for people to have to drive a couple of hours to get medical care. This will be no different. The GOOD news is that by the nature of the dispersion of population it is very easy to maintain your social distance IF you want to.
 

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Also very reasonable, the question is to me is if rural America lags the population centers. We already know rural healthcare in America has struggled, are they preparing? Or will they get it and have to ship people to larger population centers and set off another round of infections? What happens to our food supplies if rural America gets hit hard?

An Economic article actually struck me on how we define and discuss the economic package. It is simply a disaster response bill, not a true stimulus package. The stimulus packages will likely need to come later as we feel the real weight of the virus response.
The number one thing I took away from a Monetary and Fiscal Analysis college course I took for fun about 20 years ago, was that EXPECTATIONs for inflation and the economy are self fulfilling. Right now the media and politicians HAVE to stop feeding the negative news to meet their agenda. It's a horrible thing for our country. IF we can quiet the negativity a little bit and keep most of our businesses open in some form it will go a LONG ways in speeding an economic recovery. Regardless of who gets elected, 2 years from now they'll look like a hero IF we stop the doom. IF a democrat gets elected, he will have a helluva hole that I doubt he could dig out of in 4 years if we don't stop talking down the economy. I guess they'll worry about that after they regain power.
 
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