Covid 6.0
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BS, there are articles out there complaining about MDs prescribing this to everyone of their family members and hoarding it.
Obviously it was sarcasm, well, maybe not. Who has said they want this to drag out? Pretending we could just live life “normally” and not have significant fallout in loss of human life AND severe economic impact is delusional at best.
Associating europe to Soviet communism is like associating America to Nazism just because we are racist and had many supporters of Hitler in America. Northern Europe has much higher standards of living..but I would like to model America after the changes that Germany has made...there is no nation of earth that respects market capitalism with more fervor than germany. But this nation also is a staunch believer in democratic socialism...the two can be separate. America is not based on market capitalism but is instead based partially or completely on Social Capitalism. This is where corporations are supported by taxpayer dollars, by the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government. Companies that should fail are propped up by bailouts, while other companies are allowed to fail, the legislature is lobbied to pass laws that benefit one company but not another, and corporate lawyers can beat almost any challenge as it pertains to worker or consumer rights in state supreme courts. The government exists to protect people from people, to provide supports to allow people life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, and to act a protectorate of the people from inevitable corporate greed...in the form of consumer protections and workers rights. Government should never support a part of the market, should never pass legislation that supports part of the market, and should never support a corporation over human rights.
I was the first one on this board shouting from the mountaintops about this virus back in January when Marlow started the first thread. IMO, this is in fact going to drag on but I think as summer hits it will cool off some. IMO, there's no need for a national "lockdown". I think that would be foolish and not logical for many regions. Just keeping kids at home along with their crappy hygiene habits has helped IMMENSELY. IMO that along with closing bars were the single most important things we've done. This will drag on but I'm hoping the FDA and CDC will fast track approval of an experimental vaccine that hasn't jumped through all of their ridiculous hoops.
The only thing I can't do right now that I normally did was go out to eat and go to church. We're doing carry out instead and our church is going to an FM parking lot service this Sunday. You can sit in your car, drink your coffee and eat your donut. Meanwhile the Pastor will freeze up on a scaffolding so and the praise band will stay toasty warm inside with the music piped in to an FM transmitter. Once it warms up a portable sound system will move the whole thing outside.
I already said he had surpluses (two years to be exact), but I remember getting a check. Do you?
I have a friend who has RA as a byproduct of drugs he takes to keep his body from rejecting an organ transplant. He couldn’t get it filled because CVS had their supply rerouted for clinical trials.
I want to know who these magical doctors are, cause PCP’s are seeing massive no show rates and revenue for our hospitals are tanking at an alarming rate.
Did you look at the graph? Budget deficits are publicly available data. Yes, I have a factual argument. Perhaps not in your world, but yes, the fact is that the last four years of Clinton budget were surpluses.
Our country as a whole is NOT racist. Some of the worst racists I see in life are not white. I think you need to talk to somebody who grew up under Communism and then transitioned to life under a Socialist system. There isn't as much difference as you think.
Keep in mind that 450 billion is a direct handout to corporate...a corporate who already has billions in savings and profits over the Trump era...and keep in mind that the small businesses just get loans...that can't actually be processed because the feds haven't communicated with the banks. Talk about smoke and mirrors...the hand out to households was just to obfuscate the real point of the stimulus...just another socialist handout to those poor corporations.
There were some stories about Dr's stockpiling chorloquine. I don't know how wide spread that might have been but I could see it.
This most certainly will be a unique Holy Week. I will just see if I can get communion from the chaplain at work....and do the online thing.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
And yet he still managed to add 1.4 trillion to the US debt while running budget "surpluses" and presiding over the two greatest economic boosts to society in history.
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A friend's local banker just called him to have him fill out the paper work so he could start getting paid. It's a loan but the loan is forgiven if he maintains his payroll which he was going to do anyway. He's only got 4 employees and his business is doing okay but the money will help. The big business bailout is to try to keep some of our economic infrastructure in place to save jobs. I suspect somebody smarter than you and I devised the plan to try to boost the economy as much as they can to prevent a complete collapse. Carry on with your Democrat talking points.
Our country as a whole is racist, much for what you said in that it’s not limited to “whites”.
The argument isn’t full socialism, the US has many social programs. Somehow we’ve gotten to the point where many of our critical workers appear to be the no skill low paid people. They are running our stores and restaurants and being put at risk of getting the virus.
Have you talked to somebody from the soviet union? Have you talked to Americans who were born in the Soviet Union? They speak of trade offs...growing up in the SU was beautiful...individual towns and villages had importance in the union, were invested in...they are now ghost towns...people have been forced to move to the cities...and 97% of the wealth is russia is held by 300 people...there were long *** lines for consumer goods, and the satellites states were treated pretty poorly...and you can't run an economy based on some guy trying to calculate things...although that may change with our current day supercomputers. I could predict that 70-80% of the boomers in Ukraine, Russia would like to have the old union back because their jobs left, their kids left, and their towns fell apart. The baltics probably are happy it is dead. Stalinist/Maoist communism is the communism that was beaten into our heads...and with good reason...later iterations were livable and loved by many, especially in soviet russia. Communism is dead in a global economy but we certainly can care about each other more as a collective human unit, while still having a vibrant economy based on competition and production and not just speculation, exploitation.
We're going to try to figure out a way to administer communion while practicing social distancing. We're leaning to making a long board with holes to hold the disposable cups and a slot to hold the wafer both with covers over them at a distance from each other to make it unlikely that anybody would contaminate the next person's items.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
And yet he still managed to add 1.4 trillion to the US debt while running budget "surpluses" and presiding over the two greatest economic boosts to society in history.
And W more than doubled that.
And using your same website as a source, Trumps budgets project to add 8.3 trillion if he were to serve 8 years.
Don't get me mixed up in all the Dem/Rep stuff. They are all politicians to me and the sooner you get off your high horse on your side and the sooner the people get off their high horse on the other side the sooner this country might survive. But, from your responses, I'm not betting on that happening.
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I'm so sick of the racism nonsense being spewed by the media and left. Of course people at first glance notice the color of somebody's skin just like they notice the size of their ***. As a rule our country treats people different from ourselves pretty damned well. You can't dictate what every citizen does or says.
Non skilled workers do NOT run our stores and restaurants. They may work in important support or service roles but they're not running them. I have been to multiple stores in the past 2 weeks. The checkers at the various stores IMO are potentially subject to the most risk. The local grocery store put up shields for them. Both WalMart and HyVee in my town have mostly self checkout lines available now and the checkers that are there are all young and healthy appearing anyway. You can NOT close the grocery stores. What's your solution.
It is reprehensible that these politicians use tragedy/panic to push forward their agendas. But, it is a trick as old as time itself. "Be afraid, beyond there be dragons".
I have a person living under my roof RIGHT NOW who was born in the Soviet block and then lived in an independent state after that. She couldn't wait to leave and most of her family has fled to either Canada (easier to get in to) or the U.S.
Enact protections and pay them a living wage. One person per cart, stop letting people bring the whole clan to the store. Limit number of people in the store at any one time and enforce distancing.
We will have to agree to disagree on the racism front.
Get off my high horse? Just providing factual information in an attempt to puncture your bubble.
What the f###. Enact protections? You need to stop with your Bernie crap. TELL ME HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE TO PAY GROCERY CHECKER TO SCAN A F###ING LOAF OF BREAD. IF they don't like it they need to find a better job. Let's stick to COVID-19.
More communist party talking points.
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Where the hell do you think Bernie is heading? I heard progressive after progressive talking about how we should do away with term limits for Obama.
What factual information? I can save $1,000 over 4 months, but that doesn't mean anything if I spend 100,000 over the next 4 months.
Overreact much? Physical protections, gloves, masks, limitations on people in the stores.
I don’t “need to stop anything”.
If you don’t like the lockdowns and approach you are free to get the fudge out of the country yourself.
The argument for European style social systems combined with the power of the US market based economy is pretty much argued exclusively on the left side of US politics. Left libertarians are beginning to really drive the discussion. Lots of folks on the board need to refresh their browsers.
The progressives hated Obama, he wasn’t left enough. Bernie isn’t headed anywhere, he isn’t getting the nomination.
Back to COVID.
I just stated earlier that my HyVee store has put up shields for their checkers. Everyone of them also has a bottle of hand sanitizer on their register. some of it's on them. You stated enact protections and pay a living wage. That's straight out of the "progerssive" (code for socialist) handbook.
My state isn't participating in the "lockdowns". We're a redder than red state and people are acting responsibly. We're smarter than New York,
Relative to any other US Prez in the last forty years, Clinton was a penny pincher. And guess what, no one gives a **** about the deficit or the debt.
I want to, but I don't have the resources to do it. With all the doom and gloomers, sheep, pessimists, etc., that I'm seeing, I see that this country is broken. I'm smart enough to know that it is time to get out, but I don't have the means to do it.
The same thing is happening basically everywhere. Capitalism has had its run but maybe it's time for something else.
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