It’s comparing apples to apples, using state reported deaths so far, 15% of the 8K deaths attributed to the virus were reported today. You comparing incomplete morbidities from this year against prior years is apples to oranges.
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It’s comparing apples to apples, using state reported deaths so far, 15% of the 8K deaths attributed to the virus were reported today. You comparing incomplete morbidities from this year against prior years is apples to oranges.
Have you been to Europe? Have you seen how they live there? I've been in England, France, Switzerland, and Germany. No thanks. Some of it is beautiful but I have no idea why you think their standard of living is better than ours. Go ask some of the people in the former Soviet republics how great life was under Soviet rule and communism. Ask what they think about Socialism. They're fleeing Europe and trying to get in to the U.S.
It doesn't really matter. 8,000 or 3,000 is insignificant in comparison to 325,000,000. You don't take steps that sacrifice the 325,000,000 to save the 8,000; 16,000; 200,000; 1,000,000. Being a leader means making the tough choices. Everyone in power right now is folding like a wet paper bag because of the phrase "you're killing people".
Which your not (killing people), because average deaths are down in this country year to date. And deaths from COVID aren't much greater than the decrease in average deaths related to pneumonia. The number of people dying this year is down in comparison to the average. This is not an outbreak.
Number one, there is 0 proof the economy is better off if we do nothing. The lasting effect of taking millions of people out of the economy would also have huge impact. Have a bunch of doctors, nurses and medical professionals die and then we can’t care for people? Lasting impacts. Taking millions of people with disposable income out of the economy? Lasting impacts.
There is going to be severe economic impact from the pandemic either way. It could be possible that keeping people alive, keeping our health systems from being over rein actually is the best economic course.
We're not sacrificing the 325 million. When you compare what we're giving up for a few weeks compared to what our grandparents and in some cases parents gave up during WW2, this is nothing. I do agree that we DON'T need to shut down the economy. Stay at home orders are stupid and don't help anybody IMO unless people are too damned stupid to follow the safety rules. You know like New York was for almost a month before they finally shut down the bars and restaurants.
OMG. Do you not know the impact of 2 trillion? And now the politicians are foaming at the mouth and trying to get more money and power. They are trying to rewrite the fabric of the genesis of this great country. "An honest day's pay for an honest day's work." That doesn't exist anymore. Government should not be your caretaker, but your protector. If I was rich, I would not be here anymore, and I assume the rich will leave in droves. Ayn Rand anyone?
Oh, and the Fed expanded their balance sheet to record levels, because no reasonable person would loan the US Government money anymore so the fed has to buy all of that debt and print it out of thin air.
$5700 per person in the US, politicians always want more power and money, just like every other human.
News flash, politicians act like other humans! Mind blowing stuff, you wouldn’t have anything if it weren’t for the government you despise, he’ll, you probably wouldn’t even be alive.
Yes I do. It makes me sick. That said, we took that action to try to increase the money supply to avoid a deep recession. A deep recession would cost us more than 2 trillion. I'm pissed that they're giving away money to people whose incomes aren't affected by this. I was fine with juicing the unemployment benefits but the giveaway IMO was stupid. I understand the economic principle behind what they did though. The Fed has rates at zero and nobody's borrowing money. The only other option in the tool bag is a tax cut or in this case a stimulus check to increase the money supply to try to keep the economy going. It sucks but i don't know what else they could do.
Well the Chinese will buy our T bills. They already I think hold 17% of our debt.
US revenue from 2018 is 3.33 trillion, all the while they are 23 trillion in debt. I don't know about your finances, but spending 2/3 of your budget at one time and looking to double that all while you are in debt to the tune of 7x your earnings is not a recipe for success. Everyone putting exponential modeling to this virus, should start putting exponential modeling to the interest on the debt. Have you heard of the power of compound interest? There's a reason that interest rates have to stay near 0. Hopefully, this doesn't lead to to removal of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. This may be China's ultimate goal.
See my post above. If US is no longer the world's reserve currency, that won't be happening anymore. A great way to decimate the US without even fighting a war.
Maybe I would, but this is where I'm from and I have family here. It doesn't mean I can't advocate for ideas that can make life better here.
If the idea was to flatten the curve and the projections show we wont even approach hospital capacity then..........
Right, but you have to have an end game. The virus will wait us out, so what are we accomplishing if we keep this up?
They also “lessen the symptoms” for folks with lupus. Who are now competing for chloroquine with a bunch of right wing hoarders. Why don’t we let the docs and viral experts give advice and follow best practices. Instead of thinking you know more than people with MDs and PhDs.
But of course some of you know better and will not be convinced otherwise. What is the color of the sky in your world?
Life better here? I'm living in a house that most would think was a mansion in the 1920s and I am low middle class. I have televisions in my basement that aren't even plugged in, I eat meat everyday, etc. The increase in standard of living in this country that has happened over the last 100 years is astronomical. Capitalism has lifted the bar higher and higher.
The problem with that map is that it doesn't consider regional differences in work related travel. For instance I drive roughly 30-40 miles per day to and around my farms. I HAVE to do it. I have no choice. There are thousands of people in rural areas who are in the same boat. Less populated states in general are going to appear as if they're somehow violating social responsibility by their driving habits. There are also tens of thousands of people in my state who don't live within 20 miles of a gas station or grocery store. Many of the small communities literally don't have any business in them other than maybe a bar.
Hmm. But it is the MDs and PHDs that are hoarding this. Think for yourself for once.
Don’t confuse standard of living with mindless consumption. And get that Soviet **** out of here. European economies are market based. I thought you were better than that.
If the thought was, we need a month to figure out best treatment plans or to make sure we have the correct supplies on hand, then they should say that. I dont think that is the plan though, not when Fauci is saying two days ago we shouldn't reopen until there are no new cases.
It isn't just hospital capacity. It's ICU and ventilator capacity. New York I think will bump up against that before it's all done. That said, I think forcing people to "stay at home" is wrong. Close the bars down. Make everything to go but people need to be able to make up their own minds on whether to go to work or not. The VAST majority of people in my community are doing the right thing WITHOUT a "shelter in place order from the government". But then again I live in an extremely "red" state. We're much smarter out here in fly over country than they are on the woke coasts.
There has actually been a poltical party that had given a **** about US budgetary deficits in the past 40 years to the extent we should give a ****. That is the Democratic Party.
No, the government literally bought the supplies for trials, causing people to not get the medicine.
LOL. Clinton had a surplus and what did he do. Give money back to everyone, not pay down the debt.
What’s the thread count on the towels you use after bathing in your superiority?
I thought we were tough and strong as Americans? Our grandparents went through a lot worse and didn’t whine because they couldn’t go sit in a restaurant or go buy flowers to plant.
Nobody wants this to drag out, they need to expedite the process on the vaccine.
Clinton presided over the advent of two of the greatest expanses in human history; the personal computers and the internet. At a time when the fiscally responsible thing to do was to pay down the debt that was acquired in the 80s to kickstart the economy from the 70s everyone (republican or democrat) just kept pushing the economy forward with deficit spending and debt.
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/
Here you go. Had W simply done nothing for four years (including not invading Iraq), the mountain of US debt would have a much lower elevation.
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