Which means that we’re not Greece. I agree that we are going to need a period of financial austerity down the road to pay off all that is being added to the deficit. You can add the ‘17 tax cut to that as well.
It’s a conversation that we’re going to have to have as a nation. Though I doubt that conversation will be had in an election year as nobody is going to want to talk about raising taxes and cutting back on social services and military spending. it will have to be done at some point though.
I don't care what he said in private,period.
If this was leaked, send them to china
Yea, whats that old saying, the price of tea in china? Bet its gone upThe f**8ng Chinese told us what, 80k cases and 5k deaths?
Lol
POS!!!
I know because I have been there. Better than what you read dipwadBecause I can read.
“This will require a political solution but it is the right thing to do,” Crozier wrote. “We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset — our Sailors.”
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In his letter to top Navy command, Crozier said if it was operating in wartime, the ship would cope and continue operations and battle the illness as best it could.
“However, we are not at war, and therefore cannot allow a single Sailor to perish as a result of this pandemic unnecessarily,” Crozier wrote. “Decisive action is required now in order to comply with CDC and (Navy) guidance and prevent tragic outcomes.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-15167883.php
I know because I have been there. Better than what you read dipwad
At the time, with scattered and incomplete data, each attempt to define things were the best until other things played out, and those reliable assumptions changed, then using them, on to the next.I saw they have used 8 different methods of measuring their cases and deaths. 8!! And still some idiots believe they’re telling the truth???
At the time, with scattered and incomplete data, each attempt to define things were the best until other things played out, and those reliable assumptions changed, then using them, on to the next.
First models wss off of china, all lies, others, from over seas. Now, we have our own data, directly applied.
In the instant world of what you got right now, it's simply a best guess data collection.
Notice, theres nothing about the second wave, as no ones had one yet, other than very early,possibly china.
So, now that we know whats really happening, the media can no longer carry chinas water
The laws will be crushed. Efficiency will be regained. The new path we are now on narrows the flamboyant old ways of control.Yah its all just a grand sort of guessing game. We live in a conservative and litigous country though.
I mean....we're not sure what may will look like and OSU is calling off the summer term and holding off on students until August.
That's mostly on the basis of fear, caution, and avoidance of lawsuits. Its hard to say what any type of reaction is going to be like if we can't "rule out" a second wave. That may be enough to spook large portions of our country no matter how accurate current data is.
The laws will be crushed. Efficiency will be regained. The new path we are now on narrows the flamboyant old ways of control.
Too many people will remember.
As to the second wave, life will go on, and tools we will have to lessen its effects.
Military protocol is you go to your commanding or immediate officer. You don't write a letter for all to see. Granted you probably wouldn't understand this. Ever heard of loose lips sink ships? When you are in the military your *** belongs to the person directly above you.Because I can read.
“This will require a political solution but it is the right thing to do,” Crozier wrote. “We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset — our Sailors.”
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In his letter to top Navy command, Crozier said if it was operating in wartime, the ship would cope and continue operations and battle the illness as best it could.
“However, we are not at war, and therefore cannot allow a single Sailor to perish as a result of this pandemic unnecessarily,” Crozier wrote. “Decisive action is required now in order to comply with CDC and (Navy) guidance and prevent tragic outcomes.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-15167883.php
Military protocol is you go to your commanding or immediate officer. You don't write a letter for all to see. Granted you probably wouldn't understand this. Ever heard of loose lips sink ships? When you are in the military your *** belongs to the person directly above you.
Last time I checked Iran's proxies were still firing missiles at our troops and we have boots on the ground in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan all of whom could come under fire at any minute. I would say we're at war.How do you know that is what he was thinking? Every ship operates as if they are at war. That's they're mission. If you don't you fail.
Last time I checked Iran's proxies were still firing missiles at our troops and we have boots on the ground in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan all of whom could come under fire at any minute. I would say we're at war.
I believe they have a workable experimental vaccine. There's an institutional problem preventing more timely deployment. I've seen snippets of what it takes to get vaccines to market and it's ridiculous. We've had thousands of people on the payroll at the FDA and CDC some of whom are lawyers dreaming up ways to make it more difficult to get something approved. I suspect that it would take an act of Congress with Trump's signature to get the protocols changed. I don't know it for fact, but the way they're handling this makes it seem likely to me that the way new vaccines get approved is codified somewhere in federal law probably from the 90s. I've sat through dozens of hours of meetings on federal law dealing with prescription drugs and new drug approval. From the meetings I've attended I'm assuming that vaccines are similar. It's stupid. The science has advanced amazingly quickly and the protocols haven't kept up.I don't disagree ... there is a claim that the CDC has a "workable vaccine" --
if true .... let's go .... the CDC and FDA are under white house jurisdiction .... if there are delays then the consequences of those delays - lives and economics - fall under the executive branch
(I don't believe there is a vaccine ready to go)
yeah N. Korea hasn't been launching any missiles or anything lately. China hasn't intercepted our naval vessels near their new "island" or anything. You're right. Nothing's happening in the south pacific or Asia that we need to be concerned about. Our country is at war period no matter what the assignment of a given entity.Roosevelt was chopped to the 7th Fleet covering Asia-Pacific. Doesn't have anything to do with the Middle East.
yeah N. Korea hasn't been launching any missiles or anything lately. China hasn't intercepted our naval vessels near their new "island" or anything. You're right. Nothing's happening in the south pacific or Asia that we need to be concerned about. Our country is at war period no matter what the assignment of a given entity.
It took one month for the first 1000 Americans to die of COVID-19
1000 Americans died on Wednesday
There is no way that there is time to respond to your post on this board. I'll leave it to, who controls the cities with the worst problems? Second, your comparison of our police to South Korean's police force is laughable. I've witnessed amazing patience and empathy from police at every turn in our country. Sure there's always a couple of knuckleheads but no way are our police remotely as brutal as S. Korea's.We have the highest incarceration rate in the world, at best we have inconsistent officer behavior, with brutality being a reality in many higher crime areas. We have strong enforcement procedures that are ineffective and inefficient as our crime rate is also astronomical. You would hope that mass incarceration would equate to low crime numbers. Espousing our virtues as a place of liberty is an oversimplification. A subsection of our society is born with protected freedoms of family, faith, and opportunity. But a large group are not born with these freedoms. I do believe that the inequality in the nation is going to exacerbate the problem. We have millions of undereducated, disconnected people who cannot respond appropriately to such a crisis. They are either non-compliant to the social distancing, or non-compliant and rush the emergency room when they get sick. After this mess we need a strong commitment to making sure every american is maximized as their weakness affects all of us. We are in the habit of taking advantage of the poor and uneducated but in a crisis like this the response is only as good as the weakest link.
Think about a place like Chicago and Detroit...only about 2% of the urban population is proficient on basic standardized tests, millions of people in these cities are functionally illiterate. I will never believe America is a free country when such a thing exists. Some people are free, but that is the case in all dictatorships or totalitarian regimes...there is always a preferred class.
I do agree about the geographic advantages of SK and their homogeneity allows them more success.
I believe they have a workable experimental vaccine. There's an institutional problem preventing more timely deployment. I've seen snippets of what it takes to get vaccines to market and it's ridiculous. We've had thousands of people on the payroll at the FDA and CDC some of whom are lawyers dreaming up ways to make it more difficult to get something approved. I suspect that it would take an act of Congress with Trump's signature to get the protocols changed. I don't know it for fact, but the way they're handling this makes it seem likely to me that the way new vaccines get approved is codified somewhere in federal law probably from the 90s. I've sat through dozens of hours of meetings on federal law dealing with prescription drugs and new drug approval. From the meetings I've attended I'm assuming that vaccines are similar. It's stupid. The science has advanced amazingly quickly and the protocols haven't kept up.
I understand your point. I suspect though that if we were to start deactivating every ship with dozens of COVID-19 positive crew on board that we wouldn't have a functional navy left. I also think that it may be better for the existing crew to be treated on their ship than to be brought ashore. JMHO.Concerned about and imminent state of war are two different things.
In the same way that a OOC game against UAB is a game that counts the same as a road game against OSU.
I understand your point. I suspect though that if we were to start deactivating every ship with dozens of COVID-19 positive crew on board that we wouldn't have a functional navy left. I also think that it may be better for the existing crew to be treated on their ship than to be brought ashore. JMHO.
I don't think it's a single GS 13. It's the protocols that may be codified in law that are holding things up. There's an experimental vaccine being given already in Seattle. I expect it will work. We should be giving thousands of doses to healthcare workers. Period. The one study participant who was interviewed for a news article said that the paperwork and liability wavers she had to read and sign were staggering. I think they said they were starting with 50 participants. Whoopee. The CDC isn't likely going to be the one to make and deliver a vaccine in a timely manner. Private biotech companies within a couple of more weeks COULD likely be churning out an effective vaccine. Obviously there has to be quality control but if we wait to make the perfect vaccine, it will be too late.One thing I've learned about in my time with the Fed govt is that while incapable of doing even mundane things efficiently in normal times, its capable of moving mountains in extreme times.
Note I said capable. There are a myriad of laws and authority that govern our actions. Liberals and conservatives have long argued about which one should be had or not had. In the end, the USG has a primary mission to keep this sovereign entity going, pretty much no matter the cost.
I do believe Trump wants to save lives. I do believe he's being personally impacted on a wealth measure. I do believe he wants to be President again and needs his economy to give him the warm fuzzy about his chances. His whole being was born to be impatient.
There's zero doubt in my mind that he is pre-disposed to try anything anyone can reasonably put in front of his face as a solution. There's also zero doubt in my mind that he has a mechanism through the Task Force or some emergency power that he can use to shoe horn a vaccine, assuming it exists as a reasonable solution, through a short cut process. And if there's not, there's a lawyer that will find him a mechanism.
So I'm not exactly panicked that some GS13 at the FDA is going to slow roll this thing like the conservatives fret, or that Trump won't even try like the liberals fret.
Huge budget and fiscal deficits.
I don't think it's a single GS 13. It's the protocols that may be codified in law that are holding things up. There's an experimental vaccine being given already in Seattle. I expect it will work. We should be giving thousands of doses to healthcare workers. Period. The one study participant who was interviewed for a news article said that the paperwork and liability wavers she had to read and sign were staggering. I think they said they were starting with 50 participants. Whoopee. The CDC isn't likely going to be the one to make and deliver a vaccine in a timely manner. Private biotech companies within a couple of more weeks COULD likely be churning out an effective vaccine. Obviously there has to be quality control but if we wait to make the perfect vaccine, it will be too late.
Corona virus vaccines are not a new thing in mammals. We've been making them effectively for multiple species of animals for decades. The science (in particular genetic mapping) has made them so much safer and easier to design. It's ridiculous that a COVID-19 subunit vaccine has to jump through the same hoops that a modified live virus vaccine had to jump through 20 years ago.
Huge budget and fiscal deficits.
I get that but our capacity to right our fiscal ship is so much greater than Greece if we ever have the will to do so.
Greecr’s economy is basically tourism, shipping and some agriculture. It’s not in the same stratosphere as the US economy.
We have no intentions of righting the fiscal ship. If Trump has changed GOP politics forever as some claim, that's set in stone. We've certainly committed to nearly $8 trillion in response with the only "nay" being a guy who would vote yes, but just wanted the votes written down.
The POTUS ran on not touching entitlements, you don't do that, you don't have a serious plan to right any fiscal quandries.
I get that many around here probably think Elizabeth Warren is a joke and while a wealth tax on the uber wealthy will not be some panacea I do believe it should be part of the solution moving forward. That means politicians going after the donor class though so it may have to come along with campaign finance reform.
There is no way that there is time to respond to your post on this board. I'll leave it to, who controls the cities with the worst problems? Second, your comparison of our police to South Korean's police force is laughable. I've witnessed amazing patience and empathy from police at every turn in our country. Sure there's always a couple of knuckleheads but no way are our police remotely as brutal as S. Korea's.
When they start administering vaccines and it makes national news BUT then say it will take them 12-18 months to get FDA approval, somebody needs to wave a red flag. I know just enough about virology and vaccine development to be dangerous I guess. We've mapped the genetic material of COVID-19. We know the protein subunits that are different and that seem to allow pathogenicity. It's just a matter likely of what concentration of antigen delivers and effective immune response without illiciting adverse reactions. IF I remember correctly, federal law in non-human species requires that a vaccine be given within a certain range of a minimum effective dose. Vaccines for animals I believe are then designed to deliver 10x the amount of antigen as the minimum effective dose. (somebody please correct me if that's wrong). I have to believe that those rules hold true for humans. Finding that perfect balance point I suspect can be difficult. Then you add in the protocol which requires IMO a week too long before the booster. Within a month of the first dose of vaccine you should be able to do antibody titers and be ready to assess effectiveness. We COULD be doing this in real time IF the FDA would allow/order real time studies by giving an experimental vaccine to large numbers of medical professionals. I personally would take the highest antigen dose tomorrow IF they would give it to me. I think there's very little risk to the study participants from the vaccine.Or hell, a lesser known biotech company looking to make a name for itself in the new century could call a PC and point out what idiots everyone else are.
Bush was not a conservative and we just had 8 years of the most liberal President ever. During some of Bush's and now Trump's time we've had split legislative branches. Don't give me that the "reds" have been in control of everything.Who controls the states with the largest levels of poverty, largest amounts of obesity and diabetes, and highest suicide and overdose rates? The red/blue divide is purely city vs. rural. And I get it completely. Cities see a larger population density, have more turnover due to industry, and can have a ghettoization if politics are particularly corrupt like in Chicago and St.Louis. Rural life is little better however and it would serve many rural areas to care more about how much money flows their way, including in how they deal with worker rights. I don't think my blue party is right, but if you think you think red is right you are long gone. I don't really know the answer...but red states and blue cities are both sick...both are desperate for change...we saw that in the last election...and despite appearances...a red president and a red congress has presided over most of the last 20 years...
When they start administering vaccines and it makes national news BUT then say it will take them 12-18 months to get FDA approval, somebody needs to wave a red flag. I know just enough about virology and vaccine development to be dangerous I guess. We've mapped the genetic material of COVID-19. We know the protein subunits that are different and that seem to allow pathogenicity. It's just a matter likely of what concentration of antigen delivers and effective immune response without illiciting adverse reactions. IF I remember correctly, federal law in non-human species requires that a vaccine be given within a certain range of a minimum effective dose. Vaccines for animals I believe are then designed to deliver 10x the amount of antigen as the minimum effective dose. (somebody please correct me if that's wrong). I have to believe that those rules hold true for humans. Finding that perfect balance point I suspect can be difficult. Then you add in the protocol which requires IMO a week too long before the booster. Within a month of the first dose of vaccine you should be able to do antibody titers and be ready to assess effectiveness. We COULD be doing this in real time IF the FDA would allow/order real time studies by giving an experimental vaccine to large numbers of medical professionals. I personally would take the highest antigen dose tomorrow IF they would give it to me. I think there's very little risk to the study participants from the vaccine.
Bush was not a conservative and we just had 8 years of the most liberal President ever. During some of Bush's and now Trump's time we've had split legislative branches. Don't give me that the "reds" have been in control of everything.