Oh now it's different hot spots at different times.
So no reason to **** the country down and put 10s of millions out of work.
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Oh now it's different hot spots at different times.
So no reason to **** the country down and put 10s of millions out of work.
The director of the CDC and the commissioner of the FDA are both presidential appointees ... there shouldn't be any barriers .. especially for a president who "understands this stuff "
if it exists then get it done ..else it is a massive failure
“I like this stuff. I really get it,” Trump boasted to reporters during a tour of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, where he met with actual doctors and scientists who are feverishly scrambling to contain and combat the deadly illness. Citing a “great, super-genius uncle” who taught at MIT, Trump professed that it must run in the family genes.
“People are really surprised I understand this stuff,” he said. “Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability.”
wasn't my decision to shut it down ..... pretty much bipartisan ... and declared a national emergency by Trump
Only 38 states have full shut down, not all, and three days ago,less than that.
Each state has the rights to do this, everything else is guidelines from the feds. They,the feds, don't even have the right to do these things.
Governors are called upon to make big decisions, some are passing the buck, some are running scared, shuttingbdown too early, some, too late etc.
Not sure that there'd be barriers. What I meant was, the fda slow rolls things, no time for that now
They work for Trump. he can fix it if there's anything he thinks they are slow rolling.
So are trying to imply that this isn't media driven, with garbage models, to scare the masses?
Actually the way he's browbeat every one else under his purview or even Powell at Fed the fact that he's not in Twitter pushing the FDA makes me think they aren't as close as some think. I guess we'll see.
He was all over the chloroquine stuff he was briefed on so I find it hard to imagine he doesn't know the state of several potential vaccines
Truuuuue, but a good leader delegates and let's them do their job. If they clash or there's questions, let them exchange their views and have the discussion.
Right it would be within Trump's purview to fix a broken executive Dept if they aren't performing in a time of crisis.
He can't fix it, but he can push ahead. If say, the current head at the fda starts slow rolling, I'm sure theresothers in line who have better tact.
There is zero doubt that S. Korea has MANY advantages in waging war with CV. First, their police force is brutal. A U.S. police officer would do time for the things S.Korean officers routinely do. Second, they have exactly one land border and it is with a country they basically are still at war with. People know in Korea, you follow the rules or you're going to the clink and along the way you will likely accumulate some very nasty bruises.
The arguments here are all backwards.
The liberal media is driving the bus and Trump's letting them which basically says he's a big dope.
The FDA is slow rolling vaccines and Trump is letting them because you know he's a big dope.
Probably no one in the country is more vested in getting the economy back than Trump with an election coming of all things.
If there were miracle answers in front of them he would more than likely execute them...but since he's not that should tell you something. He's either a dope or there's no miracles
Should be in trials to medical personnel in a couple of weeks but it won't. Fauci has his head up his *** on this one. He's stuck in the 1900s on vaccine development.
And that is because HIV may be present but not in high enough levels to detect due to sequestration. They also are at much higher risk of carrying other diseases. It's called trying to lower the risk from transfusions.
Then, he's gone, might keep him on, but the keys will be handed to someone else.
This may not be the best vaccine, I know the one using the older SARs, which prevents cell invasion on the novel sars, guy from san fran,may be a better alternative, but anything as soon as posiible at this point, alternatives later.
Fauci better break with convention on this.
IF the social distancing continues they'll probably be okay but make no mistake they are stretched beyond belief with staffing problems. The hospitalized patients dying at such a high rate is helping eliminate overcrowding in ICU beds.
When you have to bring in reefers to store the bodies in, you've got a mess.I just quit replying, its like wave after wave of hatred, every once in awhile, a valid question or point, but not much to offer really.
Any President would be learning on the job about this. Trump unfortunately has no filter. Obama would have kept his mouth shut and uttered a few talking points from his handlers and everybody would have called him the smartest man in America. Perceptions often aren't reality.
it sucks but unfortunately once you have evidence of community spread it is too late
NYC tried this approach .. waiting to close things down until after there is evidence of spread .. it didn't work
More than one thing can be true. The media can be overreacting and trying to scare the masses at the same time as needing to slow the spread of a virus.
Do you think doctors are responding to the media hysteria? Or are they intentionally part of spreading the hysteria?
Honestly, I am trying to understand your view. Do you think this is just a hoax and a whole bunch of people are in on it or people (including doctors) just following like the media like sheep?
At what point would you think this pandemic would be worth shutting the country down?
I don't disagree ... there is a claim that the CDC has a "workable vaccine" --
if true .... let's go .... the CDC and FDA are under white house jurisdiction .... if there are delays then the consequences of those delays - lives and economics - fall under the executive branch
(I don't believe there is a vaccine ready to go)
I think what he's saying is, people covering a gov screaming for ventilators while still having 3000 in stores, or, 2.2 million americans will die, or,one doctor claiming we knew about the virus, and how it'd react in december etc etc.
Understand, no one thinks its a hoax, even those calling everyone to go to china town, or go to a parade, or to mardi gras etc.
There are every pov being displayed, only few are helpful
I have a major advantage that my business was a turnaround. Acquired out of bankruptcy. Our debt to equity is about .15. We’ve been able to cut costs by about 75% so we’ll be good unless we end up in a Great Depression that lasts until 2025 or so.
But I think in general that you are right about most small businesses. Heck, I know a couple hoteliers that were doing very well but highly leveraged and they are very panicked.
Then, they're tone deaf. Looking at just the medical side, its a monster, but obviously they don't see the even bigger one heading our way.
They either understand Trump for once, or get out of the way. Both sides have tried to express a unified effort thus far, all on the medical side, its slowly shifting out of their arena, to the economic side, they'd best learn, and fast.
Big thing is, he may long for it, nice surprise, and be more attentive to 'get in the groove'.
Thank you for the encouragement. Really does mean a lot.
I think the problem is too many people get their information off Twitter and other social media. And that vantage is insanely polarizing. Then the overly polarized vantage point pushes more and more people to prove how wrong other people are as opposed to understand or listen to facts and reality.
It is really challenging to get true facts in today's world. Realizing and admitting that will make a lot of people's lives a little less frustrating.
I just don't get the passion around having to prove some random person wrong as opposed to just discussing facts. FFS there were multiple pages on this thread alone on people debating what the president and an MSNBC person said. And in reality they both were fairly accurate (within days) but everyone has to prove someone else is wrong.
There are some really good posters in the thread. Sharing facts AND opinions.
This virus is terrible but we are a very sick culture aside from that.
I get that. Another important distinction is those businesses that rent vs. those that own the underlying real estate. If it comes to it the equity in the real estate combined with strong banking relationships and no other debt afford me some options that other businesses wouldn’t have.
This is still going to set me back though. Will expend a considerable amount of my war chest.
We have the highest incarceration rate in the world, at best we have inconsistent officer behavior, with brutality being a reality in many higher crime areas. We have strong enforcement procedures that are ineffective and inefficient as our crime rate is also astronomical. You would hope that mass incarceration would equate to low crime numbers. Espousing our virtues as a place of liberty is an oversimplification. A subsection of our society is born with protected freedoms of family, faith, and opportunity. But a large group are not born with these freedoms. I do believe that the inequality in the nation is going to exacerbate the problem. We have millions of undereducated, disconnected people who cannot respond appropriately to such a crisis. They are either non-compliant to the social distancing, or non-compliant and rush the emergency room when they get sick. After this mess we need a strong commitment to making sure every american is maximized as their weakness affects all of us. We are in the habit of taking advantage of the poor and uneducated but in a crisis like this the response is only as good as the weakest link.
Think about a place like Chicago and Detroit...only about 2% of the urban population is proficient on basic standardized tests, millions of people in these cities are functionally illiterate. I will never believe America is a free country when such a thing exists. Some people are free, but that is the case in all dictatorships or totalitarian regimes...there is always a preferred class.
I do agree about the geographic advantages of SK and their homogeneity allows them more success.
Three months even sounds high to me.....I ain't saying this is wrong, but I know we could not have gone 90 days without generating any revenue and if we did go that long, we would be so far behind it would take a few years to claw back and get on top of it.
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