I do believe that 3M is an international company. They own 37 facilities in countries other than the U.S. Any idea that 3M is exclusively a U.S. Corporation beholden to our government and citizens wouldn't be exactly accurate. What happens if Trump enacts the WPA against a publicly traded company with facilities around the world?
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Unfortunately I think you're correct. A dozen years ago a banker friend of mine said that the battle over the deficit is over. He said it was just a matter of trying to keep the debt to a certain percentage of the GDP. What happens when something like this destroys the GDP and we're giving away ridiculous sums of money?
That's globalism bro. A No-no for the Trumpsters. I mean heck, pretty much all of our big companies are international now.
The only "US" companies are small businesses and what's left of Main Street mom and pop shops.
Unfortunately I think you're correct. A dozen years ago a banker friend of mine said that the battle over the deficit is over. He said it was just a matter of trying to keep the debt to a certain percentage of the GDP. What happens when something like this destroys the GDP and we're giving away ridiculous sums of money?
Deficits didn't matter when it was for a 600 ship navy or foreign wars. Nor did they matter when it was prescription drugs or bailouts for whatever situation came along
Everyone has their price. Red or blue.
I'm not panicked. I'm pissed. IF this were Joe Smiths hog farm some small town vet would have an autogenous inactivated vaccine made up by now and be administering it to the whole damned herd. We've got the f'n genetic map for this virus, decades of experience, billions of dollars worth of research, development, and manufacturing capabilities and it's going to take 18 months.
I'm not panicked. I'm pissed. IF this were Joe Smiths hog farm some small town vet would have an autogenous inactivated vaccine made up by now and be administering it to the whole damned herd. We've got the f'n genetic map for this virus, decades of experience, billions of dollars worth of research, development, and manufacturing capabilities and it's going to take 18 months.
Yah but you're pissed for the wrong reason IMO. The only real reason I think you won't get a rushed vaccine is because Trump doesn't see the viability of it. Not because a dude is waving his arms and jumping up and down and the FDA slow rolls him against Trump's whims.
You can't keep this from him as I've stated several times...so it become's Occam's razor, the most likely answer is the simplest answer. That there is no miracle path he's willing to put resources against. At least not at this time. Every day is a new day, a new brief.
At least national defense was the given reason for the institution of an income tax in this country. You will recall that was to be the sole reason for the taxation.
Yah but spending 30 trillion in wars, or 30 prescription in pills for old people sounds like a philosophically bright line.
The bankers don't care. If you don't have 30 trillion, you don't have 30 trillion.
Trump doesn't see the viability because he keeps seeing the timeline on Fox and CNN of 18 months. I'm hopeful that the trial in Seattle will be successful on the first shot and the news will jump start expedited approval. We HAVE to have this by fall or we won't have school next fall.
Complete fiction. The opposite is quite true. The police there are considered soft and people generally don't respect them. And it's the police force here that should be feared. They will fill you full of lead if you make the wrong move. Korean police don't even have guns.
Yah that's the one thing I'm curious about. Supposing they've made hundreds of millions of doses of these experiemental vaccines and we're ready to start pumping them into people in August. How long does something like that take?
I have to imagine at least a couple of months. The other thing working against school in the fall is that even with a vaccine ready, the youth are in the lowest risk group, so it would stand to reason they would be among the last to get treatments after medical professionals and more elderly folks or or folks with underlying conditions (basically every American since we are all fat).
I honestly have no idea how long it takes to give 300+ million shots.
I've seen videos of the police in action in South Korea. A friend's son was stationed there for I think a year. They visited and said the one thing you don't do is f with the police. They don't need a gun to inflict pain. As far as our police go, you couldn't pay me enough to do the job they do. I've had friends who are cops have people shoot at them, pull knives on them, sucker punch them with crap from behind. You name it. A cop in the city almost has to assume that every contact he makes with the public is with someone carrying a loaded weapon. I would be a very bad cop because I would shoot first and ask questions later.
I'm also not real optimistic that we have the ability to make a mass amount of these vaccines in the next couple of months. Ricketts said it would be months before we had widespread testing, and that's a need we've already been pounding on for 6 weeks or more now.
Fauci and others have said that the candidate vaccines aren't made in the same way as are existing influenza vaccine infrastructure is set up, so we'd have to have new facilities pop up to make them.
Maybe its possible that's all ready to go in 90 days but seems unlikely to me based on how we are doing thus far.
Fauci and others have said that the candidate vaccines aren't made in the same way as are existing influenza vaccine infrastructure is set up, so we'd have to have new facilities pop up to make them.
Maybe its possible that's all ready to go in 90 days but seems unlikely to me based on how we are doing thus far.
And I know many many Koreans. They think their police should be sterner, but nowhere near as brutal as the US police. Korean police maybe 10 or 20 years ago were more hardcore. But now they use batons to patrol the drunks and are mostly a joke to the population.
You wouldn't have to give 300 million. But your point is well taken. The problem with the kids is they are the amplifiers. They take it to school and give it to 30 classmates in a day then those kids go home and give to their siblings and parents and so on. My BIGGEST concern is health care providers and nursing homes. Stats I see are about 17 million health care workers and 1.5 milliion people in nursing homes. Maybe 40-50 million over 60.
I don't know. Maybe Trump and Fauci look at the numbers and logistics and just says "we're f'd. All we can do is slow it down so we don't overwhelm the hospitals" Maybe by the time we get enough vaccine in the pipeline it will be over with and we'll just be giving it like a flu shot to stop a wave every fall. The 18 month time frame certainly sure makes it look like they're writing off this next school year and shooting for fall 2021.
I don't know man. It appears that there's somewhere around 150 million dogs and cats in the U.S and they all probably get a Rabies and/or distemper shot. you would think we would be able to get a vaccine in to the hands of Drs to give to humans in less than 18 months.
EDIT ADD: we give tens of millions of doses of corona virus vaccines to pigs, dogs, cats, and cattle every year. I would think we could get Zoetis or Merck's animal divisions to make human vaccine.
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Exactly they use batons. They don't need guns but when they do they bring out the big ones with military vehicles. I think their view of U.S police is biased by CNN.
There are certainly challenges right. Keep in mind they said 12-18 months, so having a spring semester seems at least reasonably likely to me.
One thing to keep in mind is that folks find it easy to jawbone and less easy to make good on their jawboning.
**** gets real for many a President when they bring in a book of options and you have to put your name on it to get executed. For most Presidents, that book of options might be some untold thousands of Americans killed in a military action and hundreds of thousands killed, millions displaced of foreigners.
Trump decides to rush things and pump 70 or 80 million medical professionals and old people full of an experimental drug....that's a hell of a ballsey call that you reasonably stand to get wrong.
Operational Security -OPSEC. He sent an unsecured transmission admitting his ship's company was less than 100% battle ready. Where was the battle group commander in all this? It's usually a Rear Admiral.
I'm just familiar enough with the way we're able to make vaccines today and know how safe they are to be willing to take the risk on an experimental vaccine. The risk from COVID-19 FAR outweighs the very small risk of taking a subunit vaccine. I really think it's all about determining the minimum effective antigen load to effect protective immunity and a virus challenge. We COULD be doing that in real time with Dr.s and nurses and I bet the vast majority would consent to be vaccinated with the highest antigen load vaccine being tested tomorrow. Then once efficacy is proven which could be in a matter of a 2 months, the problem becomes purely logistical.
It's a terrible design from a protocol standpoint but we don't have 18 months.
You must live in bizarro world then. Your view on Korean police seems to be based on complete ignorance. Batons are last resort and pretty sure most countries use bigger guns for riot control. They are mostly seen as little more than useless neighborhood patrol there.
He broke the cardinal rule of military command...don't embarrass leadership.
Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said at a Pentagon news conference that Crozier had been relieved “at my direction.” He said the captain hadn’t let his superiors know the seriousness of the situation aboard his ship before The Chronicle revealed the contents of a letter he wrote to Navy brass, and that he hadn’t taken steps to ensure the plea would not be leaked.
They also didn't like that he had essentially increased their chances of not controlling the narrative.
He said he did not know if Crozier had leaked the letter, but that the captain had copied the email to 20 to 30 people. He said that increased the chances it would be publicized outside the Navy’s chain of command, which showed “extremely poor judgment in times of crisis.”
But they didn't say who all was copied on the email. The Navy has something of a point here, but when you want to be a dick about enforcing an edge case type of situation...realize you aren't going to come out winning the press conference or you at least open the chain of command up for criticism due to your own actions. They can't have their cake and eat it too.
The mode of transmission was email. It doesn't say what system it was sent on. But the Navy uppers said it was 'leaked' so it likely was sent on a secured system. Edit: Fox has an article stating that it was sent via unsecure email......That's really all that can be said based on what we know.
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If they are so international then get the hell out of the US - no? I will tell you why we are their biggest customer. So if you want to boil this down to just business their biggest customer just found they are getting screwed over what do you think should happen?. I say take their product and sell it at a fair market price here if they do not like leave and find out what the business world is like without selling to the US
Gm and Ford are publicly traded companies with facilities around the world.
Nebraska is taking heat for being one of few states who dont have " stay at home " orders. I am not going to debate that. But I got to thinking; who are essential workers? Sure, we can shut down restaurants, fast food, beauty salons, gyms, bowling alleys etc. But people who are essential workers still need gas for their cars ( convenience stores)...and some families dont have washers to do laundry at home. Shut down places that many rely on to keep their clothes clean? ( I know, wash clothes in the tub; I did it as a single mom) One of my employers drafted an "essential employee" letter two weeks ago that everyone is to have on their phone...in case things do get crazy.
The other part of this that ties in is that I am reading that many states are giving "hazard pay." Anyone working in a job that requires contact with other people is at risk...just not hospital workers. The LJS reported today that a non-clinical employee tested positive at Bryan. We dont know if the virus was caught at work etc. NYC and other larger areas may be different, but here in Lincoln I dont feel my current work is any more hazardous than the dietary aides, the housekeepers, the receptionists etc. There are receptionists getting admission paperwork who are within a couple of feet of patients for longer than it would take me to assess a patient. Paramedics, cops, etc.....they all come in contact. Reality? The checker at Walgreens pharmacy who is within 3 feet of customers checking out......think of how many people that checker is in contact during a 7 hour shift.....hazard pay? ( Walgreens needs to rethink their space)
The more I think about the feds giving an additional $600 a week for unemployment....that's on top of what the State pays...the more I realize how complicated....and a mess this is. I think concerns being expressed are valid. There are some people who will be collecting unemployment now....who will be receiving more than 100% of their wages.
The other part of this that ties in is that I am reading that many states are giving "hazard pay." Anyone working in a job that requires contact with other people is at risk...just not hospital workers. The LJS reported today that a non-clinical employee tested positive at Bryan. We dont know if the virus was caught at work etc. NYC and other larger areas may be different, but here in Lincoln I dont feel my current work is any more hazardous than the dietary aides, the housekeepers, the receptionists etc. There are receptionists getting admission paperwork who are within a couple of feet of patients for longer than it would take me to assess a patient. Paramedics, cops, etc.....they all come in contact. Reality? The checker at Walgreens pharmacy who is within 3 feet of customers checking out......think of how many people that checker is in contact during a 7 hour shift.....hazard pay? ( Walgreens needs to rethink their space)
The more I think about the feds giving an additional $600 a week for unemployment....that's on top of what the State pays...the more I realize how complicated....and a mess this is. I think concerns being expressed are valid. There are some people who will be collecting unemployment now....who will be receiving more than 100% of their wages.
Stay at home orders generally leave a fair bit of normal society open. All people do still have to buy groceries and get gas and so forth, not just essential workers. Most restaurants are being allowed to serve carryout/pickup. The list of critical jobs is in several places, but most governors are drawing from a list of categories on the DHS website.
The intent of stay at home orders is to leave those critical things open and have people go out as little as possible. Don't go to the store every day, go like once a week or every two weeks. Go as a single person, don't drag the whole family along. Those kinds of things. Obviously not real good for the economy as that leaves a good chunk country at home laid off, or if lucky, teleworking.
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Your second and third sentence in the last paragraph speaks to a pressing issue. Many people are still clueless. Its life as usual... no reason to alter anything.
Don't think of it as welfare. Think of it as running the country like a business and investing in people or something to that effect. You have have to look up North's post a few pages back for the full effect of modern conservatism or whatever it was labeled.
In all seriousness, estimates have ranged that we would need to provide $4-5 trillion in stimulus to kinda sorta paper over the hole we're creating. If you are going to do it, its probably best not to be stingy or at least give it to people who need it most rather than more stock buybacks.
The $600 probably won't get you, but that infinite quantitative easing is a doosy.
I actually didn't look, at one time they were going to try and ban stock buybacks with the stimulus bill money. Never sure if that made it in the final bill. Even Trump said he was unhappy something like 70% of his tax cut went into stock buybacks.
I would love for the govt to invest in me for the next 3 months until this is over. I am 60 years old and tired. The State cap is around $400 week for unemployment. So with the feds money, I could pull in a total of $4000 month and ride this out. I hear searching for work is being waived...so perfect. Never thought I would hear myself saying this, but retreating back to the farm for a three month vacation sounds wonderful.
My stimulus $$ is not going to stimulate anything. Its going in the bank to protect me for the next outbreak.....Fauci says maybe next fall.
Be afraid. Live in fear.
Next "outbreak" is going to be less serious than the flu due to millions who have already had this.
"Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Mich., will introduce the Helping Emergency Responders Overcome Emergency Situations (HEROES) Act of 2020 on Friday that would provide a four-month federal income tax holiday for frontline workers in counties with at least one positive COVID-19 patient."
Then I will just have an additional $1200 saved. Either way....I am not spending...just to spend.
You really believe that you know more than the experts, like Dr. Fauci? The numbers may be less than predicted. But that doesnt mean that social distancing etc hasnt been warranted.
Why dont you share your background and credentials with the rest of us. That may lend more credence to your stance. Or may not.
Ok...so I went through a bunch of national epidemiological sites and found an awesome one from Belgium. This is a mortality monitor for each country ending with this first week in April. The y-axis is a z-score which is a simplification of larger number sets, for example europe had a monthly peak of about 70k deaths in Jan...2017-2018, that corresponds to a z-score of 7-8 . A z-score of 4 is substantial increase in mortality, and a z-score of 8 is an unusual increase in mortality. Maybe a cause for hope or complaining from some is the cases of spain and italy, So far the worst, are actually trending to be identical to horrible flu season of 2017-2018...the peak was hit faster and obviously Covid hospitalizes more, and obviously society took extreme measures but it is interesting that the peaks of excess mortality ended approximately the same point at a z-score 8. For reference, It is also important to remember that the 2017-2018 flu season had an upper estimate of 90k deaths in the United States. So, it is very likely that we will see 90k deaths...and likely many younger people will die...hundreds. But the data says we will still have similar mortality to the 2017-2018 flu season... of course this is still in addition to our recent flu season, and we will likely layer on another horrible fall and winter when another wave hits next year.
Another interesting bit ...you can also seemingly predict the nations that will be hit hard by looking at this data going back in time as Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, and France had a very hard time with the 2017-2018 influenza...Denmark, Hungary, Ireland may get through it relatively well...
Another interesting bit ...you can also seemingly predict the nations that will be hit hard by looking at this data going back in time as Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, and France had a very hard time with the 2017-2018 influenza...Denmark, Hungary, Ireland may get through it relatively well...
I look at this another way. Enough Americans cared about their neighbors and families, despite some Americans believing they know more than the experts, that the predictions were thwarted!
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