Covid 5.0
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you mean how deadly it isn't right?
Censorship now!!!!
(even though you cant prove him wrong - at least yet)
Dr Oz interviewed the Dr in France that I referred to in previous posts about the use of chloroquine. Dr Oz is a believer that it works.
Yeah guessing we will start seeing more and more of this type of thing. People would rather take pay cuts vs have no job and money. My wife said her company announced they are cutting all intensive programs, monthly bonuses, and any extras. In an attempt to avoid layoffs. Pay cuts will be next step Im sure.
Other Drs are saying the same thing, way to much bureaucracy red tape in the name of protecting people.
I read that a Arizona couple did that and the man died.Now don't down some fish tank cleaner now.
The data collected hasn't show to date anyway a statistically significant difference in outcomes. The one SCIENTIFIC study I've seen showed no benefit to chloroquine therapy for corona viruses. Everybody is grasping at straws here. I'm not opposed to using the therapy suggested because so far we've got nothing else. As long as it 's administered in an appropriate manner that's fine. It's good to have hope and places like Columbia University Hospital and Johns Hopkins are going to collect the data and tell us months from now if it helped. I'm not optimistic that it makes much of a difference but we'll see.
Immunoglobulins collected from recovered patients offers the best chance IMO for the most severely affected.
What do you mean I can’t prove him wrong? It isn’t the flu, that is a FACT, not an opinion. It is an entirely different virus, saying they are the same thing is a complete and utter lie.
Just think of what the fear people had 100+ years ago when the most they had to use was sulfur, when the measles and scarlet fever, polio hit you were in big trouble. Now we have hope will all different types of medication. And we’re the USA, if Iowa can claim a national championship in football in 1958 or 59 they’ll dam sure come up with a vaccine for this!!!!
IMO we could be giving vaccine to 10s of thousands of medical workers within 4-6 weeks if the FDA had any balls. We could know dose, early safety and the ability to produce antibodies to the antigen within 4-5 weeks and we could be ramping up production of the antigen right now while waiting to add adjuvant and diluent right before packing and shipping. For an emergency like this, there is WAY too much redtape to get vaccine out in a timely manner. We'll be WAY beyond the worst of it before a vaccine is available. The only real way to know if a vaccine is protective is wild virus challenge and the best way to do that is to vaccinate at risk healthcare workers. ASAP
Oh gees man, you're taking that literally?
You didn't take it as him making a comparison and saying the overall impact to the population is the same as the flu?
No, you are giving him far too much credit. He has said point blank time and again it is literally the same thing. He believes it is a different version of the flu virus.
There haven't been any randomized studies of chloroquine so there isn't a positive or negative. We are in the grasping at straws stage to save lives and remdesivir, chloroquine , favipiravir(antiviral from japan) have all saved lives. Doctors are looking at small treatments because getting a person out of an ICU bed alive in 14 days instead of 40 is a really big deal...the WHO is running a megatrial on 5-10 top treatments.... this is the main reason to isolate...IF doctors can get a treatment regimen that is consistent it can drop critical cases in half, and severe cases in half we can open society back up again and let the immunity work itself out as we struggle back to normal life over the summer. By the fall we'll have more supplies and treatments along with the TB vaccine to help boost the immune system of vulnerable people. This thing is going to get turned around by June, but how many people will die by then?
I am very disappointed in Congress at this point - they are arguing over stuff that has nothing to do with helping in this crisis. This country is about to go down the ******* and when it does in 20 years the world will be a much different place and not for the better.
The extremism that has overtaken this country is astounding. I fear the only thing that will reset this is an economic collapse that will make the coronavirus seem like the good old days
The extremism that has overtaken this country is astounding. I fear the only thing that will reset this is an economic collapse that will make the coronavirus seem like the good old days
Not with a novel vaccine technology. The new protein based system is faster to produce but wasn't particularly effective in its earlier trials when used on other coronaviruses. I think the worst idea is to get a bunch of people together at the height of outbreak, to line up, and get a vaccine that doesn't work, and could be blamed for more illness...although it is safe.
They are fighting the cockroach lobbyists. Big corporate wants major handouts from this stimulus...it is a lobbyists dream. Up until a few days ago 450 billion of the stimulus was not going to require disclosure, meaning Mnuchin and his buddies would suddenly have 450 billion to hand-out at will. All of the big lobbies were wanting 50 billion--100 billion...nothing was set aside for the unemployed or small businesses. At stupid as the UK is...they put forth a plan to pay 80% of the wages of those who go unemployed for four months...then when this thing dissipates those people can just roll back into their original positions. Tesla and Amazon wanted 5 billion to get their space programs going while we are looking at a doubling or tripling of the unemployment rate. Big corporate needs to swallow this pill, people need to be left in their houses, and jobs and small businesses need to be able to resume...that should be the focus...
congress cares deeply for you and all of us
it's why they all come out millionaires.. because they care oh so much for their constituency
Not near as many as people say. And it will be turned around faster than June.
The digital dollar will kill our control of our government by the people.
Japan already tried going negative interest rates, it didnt work, only because people withdrew their cash out of the banks.
If the fed goes negative interest rates, any liquid monies you have ,without actual cash, will also go negative.
If you have cash, it actually becomes worth more, as it is negative inflation, but, without cash, you'll have no power to stop it.
FORD building ventilators ...
who is going to manage all these extra ventilators?
this is like deciding the way to do more surgeries is to build scalpels
the shortage of tools is real but not near as real as the shortage of experts to wield them or rooms equipped to run them
I suggest starting to have some difficult discussions with your elderly loved ones about what their wishes would be if they get sick and if they wish to take up resources if it meant not being to adequately treat a 50 yo
A little more light at the end of the tunnel to offer more hope. Contrary to speculation, according to Peter Thielen of John's Hopkins university as reported in the Washington Post, virus is NOT mutating. He's suggesting that a single vaccine should work and wouldn't need to have a new strain every year like the flu.
Vaccine trials that have begun will get a second shot 28 days following the first (which they've already had but I can't say when they got it). They're optimistic they've got it. We'll see
Vaccine trials that have begun will get a second shot 28 days following the first (which they've already had but I can't say when they got it). They're optimistic they've got it. We'll see
Bill Gates is a mouthpiece for elitists. He doesn't care if the economy goes to ****. He'll be just fine.
Now that we have real data to study, alarmism like this is a bit overblown.
Never thought I’d miss your football takes.
it will come
in my region -- no cardiac surgery in pts > 80 yo - too high risk given no ICU beds or staff for postop care
no cpr in COVID + patients
no high risk surgery --- patients who would have been scheduled a month ago are being told they are no longer surgical candidates as too high risk given lack of resources to provide the required post op care
have a read:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2005114
Siap, but wnba player, playing in china in an offseason league there, got wuhan in december.
She said, she was sick as a dog, they wheeled her into the chinese hospital into a room, someone got out of the bed, the nurse said get in the bed.
This poor of a health care system, the low numbers, the timing of when this started, all lies coming out of china.
She said, she was sick as a dog, they wheeled her into the chinese hospital into a room, someone got out of the bed, the nurse said get in the bed.
This poor of a health care system, the low numbers, the timing of when this started, all lies coming out of china.
Donating a bunch of money doesn't make you an expert in infectious diseases. I'll listen to Drs Fauci and Brix who say that not all areas are the same, and some may be able to open up sooner than others.
That’s a preparation document, not a directive of care.
They should prepare with worst-case scenario in mind. We should not act like that scenario is already here when data show it is not.
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