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NorthwoodHusker

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What part is a lie?
Hes a racist. The continued altering of context, words and intentions.
A narrative can be won by better srgument,right?
In these links, these attacks, where is the argument when they alter words, context and intentions?
It comes down to simple accusations, bolstered by more altered words,context and never mentioning intentions.
 

DudznSudz

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Hes a racist. The continued altering of context, words and intentions.
A narrative can be won by better srgument,right?
In these links, these attacks, where is the argument when they alter words, context and intentions?
It comes down to simple accusations, bolstered by more altered words,context and never mentioning intentions.

Please show me where this was altered or taken out of context?
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Please show me where this was altered or taken out of context?
You dont need to alter it, it's an accusation, similar to Biden being a rapist.
Theres a claim out there on him, and some say, we have to believe the woman, which I dont believe is wise.

So, a simple accusation, you'll find plenty.
However, so carolina, the altering of his words, mexicans, the rapists, the murderers, the thiefs, context? No, surely he meant evey mexican ever or to come? I'm being sarcastic here.
Theres more, you and I know them, but go back, pick up the context, or the full statements, not cut out alterations, and most of all, his real intentions, which if they gave that, their lies would be seen much more clearly.
 

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Kansas just issued a statewide stay-at-home order....these seem pointless to me though when they say you can still go to grocery stores and go outside for exercise, and there are still thousands of flights every day around the country. Driving through Lincoln the other day, I noticed that the golf courses and public parks were packed full of people, as were the parking lots at Hy-Vee and Wal-Mart.

So instead of people going to work and school and observing cautious social distancing there, you have them going to parks and playgrounds and golf courses and touching things there....while you still have hundreds of people touching items/carts/keypads/etc at grocery/department stores and gas stations....and you have thousands of people still flying across the country and possibly spreading the virus to new areas.

In general the governor's are not happy with compliance. Hence more enforcement may be coming and what not. Most likely fines.

We have a situation now where folks are being trusted to maintain social distancing in outdoors areas and they aren't. Telling folks to go back to work and observe such in confined quarters is definitely not going to happen.

So the best the governor's can hope for now is most people stay home and the clowns that had to pack on top of each other keep the consequences more or less to their lines of progeny.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Kansas just issued a statewide stay-at-home order....these seem pointless to me though when they say you can still go to grocery stores and go outside for exercise, and there are still thousands of flights every day around the country. Driving through Lincoln the other day, I noticed that the golf courses and public parks were packed full of people, as were the parking lots at Hy-Vee and Wal-Mart.

So instead of people going to work and school and observing cautious social distancing there, you have them going to parks and playgrounds and golf courses and touching things there....while you still have hundreds of people touching items/carts/keypads/etc at grocery/department stores and gas stations....and you have thousands of people still flying across the country and possibly spreading the virus to new areas.
These are tempering tools. One, for us to form good habits of survival, but also, if things need to get worse, we are also tempered to only open our doors for food deliveries.
Not saying it'll happen, like it has in Italy, or was done under gun point in china, but it could happen in places here.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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The narrative is held by those who hate Trump by not ever mentioning his intentions, everyone, just think about that.
The lies, those are the alterations, the cut outs, the out of context, easy to do without ever mentioning intentions.
Intentions play a huge part in our laws, why don't we get them ?
 

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It's just a speculative claim at this stage. Dr. Fauci recently told Trevor Noah that, "if this behaves like MOST viruses, it won't do as well in the heat and humidity."

I would think that this will be a factor, but not a huge one, in the outbreak starting to become under control in the next few months.
I just hope that’s the case for football related reasons. Plus I’d like some draft beers.
 

DudznSudz

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Hes a racist. The continued altering of context, words and intentions.
A narrative can be won by better srgument,right?
In these links, these attacks, where is the argument when they alter words, context and intentions?
It comes down to simple accusations, bolstered by more altered words,context and never mentioning intentions.

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I'm sure you are aware of the "fine people" lie

Please refresh my memory. Are you referring to when he said "Fine people on both sides?"
 

RedMyMind

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Your answer is unclear. You seem to be saying he said stupid, bigoted things, but didn't mean them to be stupid and bigoted?

Fundamental question: do you think the President of the United States of America should talk like that? Or pay to **** porn stars? Or not release their tax returns? Or profit from their office?
Tell me what the lie is, please.
The lie is that he called White Supremacists and the KKK fine people
 

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The problem with allowing politics to be discussed widely on this board is that we went from a largely substantive discussion of THE VIRUS and it's spread to a bunch of political bickering. It's almost impossible to discuss this without some indication of where some of the stories are coming from but the non-stop political bashing is counter productive.

Yup. It is open season for some, to cut loose, substantiated or not. It’s a cess pool. It is interesting to read some of these people because you get a good deal on insight on their fairly substantial level of insecurities and hate, which makes them easily manipulated. I pity them.
 

DudznSudz

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The lie is that he called White Supremacists and the KKK fine people


Here is his admittedly goofy quote:

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
 

Harry Caray

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In general the governor's are not happy with compliance. Hence more enforcement may be coming and what not. Most likely fines.

We have a situation now where folks are being trusted to maintain social distancing in outdoors areas and they aren't. Telling folks to go back to work and observe such in confined quarters is definitely not going to happen.

So the best the governor's can hope for now is most people stay home and the clowns that had to pack on top of each other keep the consequences more or less to their lines of progeny.

Fair enough, but the entire state of Kansas has had only 3 coronavirus deaths, and most of the state is very rural. Seems like a state-wide order is unnecessary. They said their worst-case scenario is 900 cases in the entire state by next week, and considering over 80% of cases do not require hospitalization, that does not seem like a crisis to me. That's only 180 hospitalizations at most for a state of 3 million people, which is easily manageable.

If we were serious about stopping this, it seems like the most logical thing would be to just shut down air travel, at least from the cities most affected. Even Cuomo said the other day that a stay at home order probably wasn't the best strategy, because you are just forcing a lot of older and younger people to quarantine together.

Lincoln has had only 4 whole cases, despite lots of people still in close quarters with people every day at stores, parks, etc. I don't see how there will be an outbreak here unless we get a sudden influx of people from outside the city who bring it with them.
 

RedMyMind

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Here is his admittedly goofy quote:

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
Yes, you had peaceful people on both sides, and then you had violent bad people on both sides.
 

RedMyMind

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Fair enough, but the entire state of Kansas has had only 3 coronavirus deaths, and most of the state is very rural. Seems like a state-wide order is unnecessary. They said there worst-case scenario is 900 cases in the entire state by next week, and considering over 80% of cases do not require hospitalization, that does not seem like a crisis to me.

If we were serious about stopping this, it seems like the most logical thing would be to just shut down air travel, at least from the cities most affected. Even Cuomo said the other day that a stay at home order probably wasn't the best strategy, because you are just forcing older and younger people to quarantine together.

Lincoln has had only 4 whole cases, despite lots of people still in close quarters with people every day at stores, parks, etc. I don't see how there will be an outbreak here unless we get a sudden influx of people from outside the city who bring it with them.
I'm in rural Kansas. Haven't really heard any updates on the cases.
 

DudznSudz

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Now you can do as many contortions as you want, I don't really care, honestly. What I am saying is that it is true that he said the above about the large group of white-supremacists, neo-Nazi's, and Klan members who showed up to that protest.
 

RedMyMind

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Now you can do as many contortions as you want, I don't really care, honestly. What I am saying is that it is true that he said the above about the large group of white-supremacists, neo-Nazi's, and Klan members who showed up to that protest.
You are being intentionally dishonest. TDS is worse than Trump.
 

DudznSudz

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Yes, you had peaceful people on both sides, and then you had violent bad people on both sides.

The entire point of this is he was being criticized for not condemning that entire group sooner, and there he is trying to equivocate. And it sounds like you are, too. Okay, well, have fun with that.
 

RedMyMind

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The entire point of this is he was being criticized for not condemning that entire group sooner, and there he is trying to equivocate. And it sounds like you are, too. Okay, well, have fun with that.
The entire point is that liars such as yourself need mental help and that is what is lacking in our healthcare.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Your answer is unclear. You seem to be saying he said stupid, bigoted things, but didn't mean them to be stupid and bigoted?

Fundamental question: do you think the President of the United States of America should talk like that? Or pay to **** porn stars? Or not release their tax returns? Or profit from their office?
No, I know what he said, by his intentions,within its context.
Is he clumsy? Yes, his own worst enemy at times? Yes. Has he made mistakes? Yes
Can he be an a$$?yes.
But in each instance, with the exact opposite of media approaches, they could be covered up, like why is a fbi director deciding what a states attorney will decide is a case or not a case? Or, it was a movie, there were no terrorists.
But he gets full tilt lies the opposite way, as outlandish as three years of the russians and he are colluding.
 

DudznSudz

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The entire point is that liars such as yourself need mental help and that is what is lacking in our healthcare.

It's hilarious that you think I am lying, and are defending a guy who is quite literally known for his outlandish lying. That's got to be hard on your brain.
 

RedMyMind

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It's hilarious that you think I am lying, and are defending a guy who is quite literally known for his outlandish lying. That's got to be hard on your brain.
I'm not defending everything he does. But for crazy TDS suffers to constantly lie and distort to appease their mental anguish is childish.
 

DudznSudz

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What do any of your last who knows how many posts have to do with the virus?

You hate Trump, we get it...move on.

You're right. I'll stop. It's kind of a moot point right now, when what we need to be doing is worrying about the spread of this virus, how to deal with it, and the economic fallout of the pandemic. It's...bad out there.
 

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FFS he took out a full-page ad in the New York Times calling for the reinstatement of the death penalty before the Central Park Five had been given due process. (They were exonerated.) He discriminated against black people in housing 45 years ago. He said Mexico was sending rapists across the border in his announcement speech. He's been a racist his whole life. It is as plain as the nose on your face. I guess some folks just see what they want to see. Like any American I want to see him succeed in this crisis. But he can't get out of the way of his own constant need for attention and approval and his transactional mindset. So I'm not optimistic.
 

DudznSudz

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FFS he took out a full-page ad in the New York Times calling for the reinstatement of the death penalty before the Central Park Five had been given due process. (They were exonerated.) He discriminated against black people in housing 45 years ago. He said Mexico was sending rapists across the border in his announcement speech. He's been a racist his whole life. It is as plain as the nose on your face. I guess some folks just see what they want to see. Like any American I want to see him succeed in this crisis. But he can't get out of the way of his own constant need for attention and approval and his transactional mindset. So I'm not optimistic.

Same here.
 

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Trump's approval has started to go down again the last few days. He just can't stay disciplined and stop attacking the media and certain governors.

All he should do at his daily briefings is state the important things the government is doing, and then turn it over to his task force (Pence and the doctors) for questions. And to be fair, the media should send their medical journalists to ask questions instead of their political correspondents. Both sides are trying to be too political at a time when we don't need partisan political bickering.
 

RedMyMind

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Trump's approval has started to go down again the last few days. He just can't stay disciplined and stop attacking the media and certain governors.

All he should do at his daily briefings is state the important things the government is doing, and then turn it over to his task force (Pence and the doctors) for questions. And to be fair, the media should send their medical journalists to ask questions instead of their political correspondents. Both sides are trying to be too political at a time when we don't need partisan political bickering.
I say we just have a bunch on medical professionals in the audience asking questions and leave the news reporters out
 
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