Covid-19 4.0

[VandalHuskerJulie]

LOS ANGELES -- Officials in six San Francisco Bay Area counties issued a shelter-in-place mandate on Monday affecting nearly 7 million people, including the city of San Francisco itself.

The order says residents must stay inside and venture out only for necessities for three weeks starting Tuesday in a desperate attempt by officials to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus.


If affects the counties of San Francisco, Marin, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Alameda and Contra Costa, as well as the city of Berkeley.

People should work from home and unless they provide essential services, such as public safety, sanitation and medical services.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/bay-area-counties-california-order-shelter-place-69627648

 

[WHCSC]

LOS ANGELES -- Officials in six San Francisco Bay Area counties issued a shelter-in-place mandate on Monday affecting nearly 7 million people, including the city of San Francisco itself.

The order says residents must stay inside and venture out only for necessities for three weeks starting Tuesday in a desperate attempt by officials to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus.


If affects the counties of San Francisco, Marin, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Alameda and Contra Costa, as well as the city of Berkeley.

People should work from home and unless they provide essential services, such as public safety, sanitation and medical services.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/bay-area-counties-california-order-shelter-place-69627648

EekEekEekEek

 

[cornhustler]

People should work from home and unless they provide essential services, such as public safety, sanitation and medical services.

Not attacking your message but...

What if you live paycheck to paycheck? Average rent in SF is about $3700 a month. How many weeks can workers afford to miss if telecommuting is not an option? How many weeks can a restaurant last without customers? Bills don't stop coming. Kids as far as I can tell, require food regularly.

I think isolating is a off-brand band-aid at best. It is simply not sustainable. To think that the US Health System and Gov't (not political, everyone) solution thus far is to have everyone stay home is alarming. Vietnam has tested more than we have. That is unacceptable. S. Korea developed an App... we are washing our hands and staying home.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

My son works with nukes in the Air Force, he was just told don't plan on going anywhere for a while, and if a vaccine or cure is discovered he will go to the front of the line for it. Doesn't add much to this thread, but I found it interesting.

 

[VandalHuskerJulie]

Not attacking your message but...

What if you live paycheck to paycheck? Average rent in SF is about $3700 a month. How many weeks can workers afford to miss if telecommuting is not an option? How many weeks can a restaurant last without customers? Bills don't stop coming. Kids as far as I can tell, require food regularly.

I think isolating is a off-brand band-aid at best. It is simply not sustainable. To think that the US Health System and Gov't (not political, everyone) solution thus far is to have everyone stay home is alarming. Vietnam has tested more than we have. That is unacceptable. S. Korea developed an App... we are washing our hands and staying home.

I get it. My son, my 97yr old FIL, my BIL and his family all live there. It IS alarming. The Bay Area is one of the 3 hot spots in the US (Seattle, Bay Area, NYC.) The governors of these 3 areas are trying to stop the spread of this virus.

 

[VandalHuskerJulie]

With the coronavirus pandemic rapidly spreading throughout communities around the nation, city leaders are taking the unprecedented step of placing San Francisco on lockdown for three weeks beginning Tuesday at midnight.

The City will legally prohibit residents from leaving their homes except to meet basic needs including visiting the doctor, or buying groceries or medicine, until at least April 7, Mayor London Breed announced Monday.

The dramatic restrictions, imposed under a city-issued Public Health Order, will also require non-essential businesses like bars and gyms to close. But pharmacies, banks and other businesses that perform an “essential” role for society will be allowed to remain open.

.....Supervisor Matt Haney told the San Francisco Examiner that the order is the “right thing to do” to protect lives.

“We also know it will put an unimaginable burden on workers, businesses and every single resident in our city,” Haney said. “We’ve got to be flexible, understanding and be there for each other during this time.”

With the support of the Board of Supervisors, Breed has already enacted a moratorium on evicting tenants who cannot pay rent because of the coronavirus. The mayor has also allowed small businesses to delay making city tax payments and other permit fees until next year.

Haney called on local as well as state and federal authorities to “step up in a huge way.”

“This is going to take a massive investment of resources particularly in support of our most impacted small businesses and workers,” Haney said.
https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/in-...rder-residents-to-stay-home-over-coronavirus/

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

and what of the homeless?

 

[VandalHuskerJulie]

and what of the homeless?

Can't speak to the Bay Area but I know that Gov Inslee and the Mayor of Seattle are trying to address that. Apparently a large percentage of the homeless are over 60 and are not in the greatest health so they are trying to open up more shelters (with fewer residents) - I think I heard them say something about using Boeing Field but I didn't listen to the whole thing. Needless to say the whole thing is a mess. For everyone.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

So glad I live in the country. Even in a lockdown, I could cruise the yard.
I feel bad for the city folk trapped in their houses.

For all you in any regulated city, I hope you have back yards.

 

[RedMyMind]

So glad I live in the country. Even in a lockdown, I could cruise the yard.
I feel bad for the city folk trapped in their houses.

For all you in any regulated city, I hope you have back yards.

I live in a city with less than 1000 residents. Being quarantined would be my dream job.

 

[dinglefritz]

SEATTLE (AP) — U.S. researchers gave the first shot to the first person in a test of an experimental coronavirus vaccine Monday — leading off a worldwide hunt for protection even as the pandemic surges.
With a careful jab in a healthy volunteer’s arm, scientists at the Kaiser Permanente Washington Research Institute in Seattle begin an anxiously awaited first-stage study of a potential COVID-19 vaccine developed in record time after the new virus exploded from China and fanned across the globe.
“We’re team coronavirus now,” Kaiser Permanente study leader Dr. Lisa Jackson said on the eve of the experiment. “Everyone wants to do what they can in this emergency.”
The Associated Press observed as the study’s first participant, an operations manager at a small tech company, received the injection inside an exam room. Three others were next in line for a test that will ultimately give 45 volunteers two doses, a month apart.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/coronavirus-vaccine-test-opens-in-seattle-with-1st-doses/

30 days is unnecessarily long before giving a booster dose IMO. I realize there are FDA protocols that have to be followed but 21 days should be plenty of time to get a booster response. They need to pull out all of the stops and get this thing rolling. If nobody drops over from the 2nd dose and are producing antibiodies a week later they need to start vaccinating large groups of folks in hot spot areas. I am sure there would be plenty of willing participants for that kind of trial. Slip them 50 bucks and wish them luck.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

30 days is unnecessarily long before giving a booster dose IMO. I realize there are FDA protocols that have to be followed but 21 days should be plenty of time to get a booster response. They need to pull out all of the stops and get this thing rolling. If nobody drops over from the 2nd dose and are producing antibiodies a week later they need to start vaccinating large groups of folks in hot spot areas. I am sure there would be plenty of willing participants for that kind of trial. Slip them 50 bucks and wish them luck.

They have to worry about Karen, who 20 years from now is going to start wondering if the reason why her daughter got into Penn but not Harvard was an evil vaccine.

 

[dinglefritz]

They have to worry about Karen, who 20 years from now is going to start wondering if the reason why her daughter got into Penn but not Harvard was an evil vaccine.

There can be some pretty nasty vaccination reactions but normally with subunit vaccines they happen within the first few days. The Ivy league admissions game is pretty weird and interesting. Just because you get turned down at one that maybe isn't as highly ranked as Harvard doesn't mean you won't get in to Harvard. They all have different things that they weight a little differently. Somebody I know thought the world had ended when they got wait listed at Penn.Winking

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Not attacking your message but...

What if you live paycheck to paycheck? Average rent in SF is about $3700 a month. How many weeks can workers afford to miss if telecommuting is not an option? How many weeks can a restaurant last without customers? Bills don't stop coming. Kids as far as I can tell, require food regularly.

I think isolating is a off-brand band-aid at best. It is simply not sustainable. To think that the US Health System and Gov't (not political, everyone) solution thus far is to have everyone stay home is alarming. Vietnam has tested more than we have. That is unacceptable. S. Korea developed an App... we are washing our hands and staying home.

The issue with testing was it should have been drive up available one month ago...and I guarantee school would be in session and the economy would be chugging along. If people could trust the cases in their communities, and their possible interactions with the virus then life could go on. The isolation response is directly related to the embarrassing way that this was handled from a federal point of view...a complete embarrassment. I think we are so used to being embarrassed that it is just shrugged off...I mean there is national pride in South Korea and China...even if China is pissed at their regime they still followed when the regime decided to do something. We had a completely novel test designed in omaha that allows test results in FOUR HOURS...it was developed a month too late. Pandemic predictions were clear and obvious back in February 2nd...it was an easily communicable virus that maintains itself in nature for an extended period of time and can be shed with little to no symptoms. Well, we have learned. And thankfully it isn't a society killer.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

30 days is unnecessarily long before giving a booster dose IMO. I realize there are FDA protocols that have to be followed but 21 days should be plenty of time to get a booster response. They need to pull out all of the stops and get this thing rolling. If nobody drops over from the 2nd dose and are producing antibiodies a week later they need to start vaccinating large groups of folks in hot spot areas. I am sure there would be plenty of willing participants for that kind of trial. Slip them 50 bucks and wish them luck.

#1: It is an mRNA vaccine which is itself new and relatively untested in humans, and the only trials ever done in humans had mixed results at best.
#2: Americans are already distrustful of vaccines...a vaccine using new technology and one that may not work is a real mess.
#3: The virus doesn't sicken a vast majority of the population to the point where they are going to want to risk anything to take this vaccine even if scientifically it is harmless...my impression is this vaccine doesn't create antibodies it creates proteins that deactivates the ability of the virus to replicate in the cytoplasm.

We are encountering the threshold between endangering the future of medicine by releasing a harmless but worthless vaccine and saving a bunch of people over the age of 60. If this thing killed those between 5-40 like the spanish flu this thing would be fast tracked.

 

[dinglefritz]

The issue with testing was it should have been drive up available one month ago...and I guarantee school would be in session and the economy would be chugging along. If people could trust the cases in their communities, and their possible interactions with the virus then life could go on. The isolation response is directly related to the embarrassing way that this was handled from a federal point of view...a complete embarrassment. I think we are so used to being embarrassed that it is just shrugged off...I mean there is national pride in South Korea and China...even if China is pissed at their regime they still followed when the regime decided to do something. We had a completely novel test designed in omaha that allows test results in FOUR HOURS...it was developed a month too late. Pandemic predictions were clear and obvious back in February 2nd...it was an easily communicable virus that maintains itself in nature for an extended period of time and can be shed with little to no symptoms. Well, we have learned. And thankfully it isn't a society killer.

I don't believe drive up testing would have been the panacea you think. For one thing, the CDC designed test didn't work properly. Apparently ONE of the positive test results in Nebraska turned out to be a false positive. I don't think we're far enough down the road with this thing to assume that S. Korea had/has all of the answers. You also could have had people lulled in to a sense of false security by a negative test when in fact they had been exposed but didn't have circulating virus yet. IMO the only thing that would have shut this down was to completely shut down air and boat travel entering the country with a mandatory quarantine of 14 days back in early January and that was before China had revealed there was a problem. The Dr. that warned his colleagues I believe did so on December 31st. Testing everybody getting off the airplane would have caught some but not all infected people and this thing was in the U.S. probably in December already. I'm encouraged by some of the measures taken and the events in the past week. Vaccine testing is HUGE IF we can get the FDA to expedite approval and delivery.

 

[dinglefritz]

#1: It is an mRNA vaccine which is itself new and relatively untested in humans, and the only trials ever done in humans had mixed results at best.
#2: Americans are already distrustful of vaccines...a vaccine using new technology and one that may not work is a real mess.
#3: The virus doesn't sicken a vast majority of the population to the point where they are going to want to risk anything to take this vaccine even if scientifically it is harmless...my impression is this vaccine doesn't create antibodies it creates proteins that deactivates the ability of the virus to replicate in the cytoplasm.

We are encountering the threshold between endangering the future of medicine by releasing a harmless but worthless vaccine and saving a bunch of people over the age of 60. If this thing killed those between 5-40 like the spanish flu this thing would be fast tracked.

In at risk populations I would welcome "mixed results" versus waiting for the perfect vaccine. There is no reason to be concerned about the safety IMO. There would be more reactions to adjuvants in any vaccine released than the antigens. As far as efficacy goes, they will have a good idea within 7-10 days after giving the booster dose of the antibody response in their first subjects. Then it's just a matter of a challenge with wild virus and the best way to do that is a trial in a hot spot. I don't give a damn what Rita Facebookposter thinks about vaccines at this point. This isn't some childhood vaccine we're giving before a kid can go to school. We've got millions of people who will die if we don't give them some protection. There's no way in hell we're going to keep this thing out of care facilities for very long. I would bet that if you went in to your average nursing home and explained the situation that you would have at least 50% volunteer to take the vaccine. Hell I bet you could find more than 50% of health care workers at risk who would take it.

 

[dinglefritz]

a little levity from twitter:

3rd day without sports to watch: I sat down and talked to my wife this evening. She seems nice.

Clearly his wife isn't like mine. Yikes. Thank God for alcohol.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Thanks to this thread I am drinking a few Gin and tonics every night - may not help but I sure feel better

 

[la jolla hskr]

Let's knock off the ***** fighting ITT.

 

[ThereIsNoPlace_rivals38755]

 

[SnohomishRed]

outside of the idiot from dallas(?) maybe

things are shut down here- San Francisco which has always been looked at as a very similar city to Seattle is now in curfew/mandatory house quarantine. I expect that to happen here shortly. There was a question about the homeless - yes King county has bought some hotels and they are setting up something at Boeing field -There is a lot of them and none of the communities want then and are suing. In fact the very first guy they put there lasted a night then walked away shoplifted then grabbed a bus back to down town

I expect curfew and ultimately mandatory house quarantine

 

[SnohomishRed]

Let's knock off the ***** fighting ITT.

talk to rosco

 

[ThereIsNoPlace_rivals38755]

There are some good news tidbits.

Copied from another forum:

-China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them.

- Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Ritonavir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine. They are going to suggest same medicine, globally.

- Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against coronavirus.
- A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China.
- Apple reopens all 42 china stores,
- Cleveland Clinic developed a COVID-19 test that gives results in hours, not days.
- Good news from South Korea, where the number of new cases is declining.
- Italy is hit hard, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe.
- Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a coronavirus vaccine.
- 3 Maryland coronavirus patients fully recovered; able to return to everyday life.
- A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research.
- A San Diego biotech company is developing a Covid-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.
- Tulsa County's first positive COVID-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery.
- All 7 patients who were getting treated for at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered.
- Plasma from newly recovered patients from Covid -19 can treat others infected by Covid-19.

 

[HuskerHusaria]

Italy has really shown the beauty of the human spirit, amidst tragedy and throughout their total quarantine.

There are numerous videos out there where people are coming out onto their balconies to sing as a community. Such strength and unity is what we need in America right now.

Here is one that's brought me to tears;


Here is another of such footage, Italians singing their national anthem!

 

[ThereIsNoPlace_rivals38755]

Italy has really shown the beauty of the human spirit, amidst tragedy and throughout their total quarantine.

There are numerous videos out there where people are coming out onto their balconies to sing as a community. Such strength and unity is what we need in America right now.

Here is one that's brought me to tears;

If I start rapping "Baby's Got Back" from my balcony, you better join with me, or I'm gonna look like the only perv on the block.

 

[HuskerHusaria]

If I start rapping "Baby's Got Back" from my balcony, you better join with me, or I'm gonna look like the only perv on the block.

We got this.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Italy has really shown the beauty of the human spirit, amidst tragedy and throughout their total quarantine.

There are numerous videos out there where people are coming out onto their balconies to sing as a community. Such strength and unity is what we need in America right now.

Here is one that's brought me to tears;


Here is another of such footage, Italians singing their national anthem!

Great post its here already communities are caring for each other and people are sacrificing for the sick - I have seen it

 

[HuskerHusaria]

 

[SnohomishRed]

Europe lives so different than the USA - some good and some bad but they are used to living much closer together - good for them to be able to do this but the normal suburban area is more isolated imo - but homes are much bigger

 

[SnohomishRed]

watch this video from the local news I follow if you want a sense what is going in Seattle

https://komonews.com/news/coronavir...attle-coronavirus-turns-our-world-upside-down

 

[HuskerHusaria]

Europe lives so different than the USA - some good and some bad but they are used to living much closer together - good for them to be able to do this but the normal suburban area is more isolated imo - but homes are much bigger

True, but on the 4th in my area, everyone comes out and hangs out in the driveways. I like to believe we are all celebrating freedom and family. But, these days... dunno.

Back when Holmes Lake had the Firework Show, we would always shake hands with those who walked with us and those gunning past us. We were close enough that we could walk there. So much of us were easy to talk to. Easy to strike up convo.

This past week I've tried an experiment to gauge random friendliness and reaching out. It always seems the older generations tend to be more open to casual conversations.

Though, the younger generations may not enjoy attempts at funny banter; I was in the bread aisle and it was empty except for Sara Lee rye. She commented, "I cant believe this, normally I cant decide and now this!!!". I walked by and said, "welp, I guess the selection makes your choice a lot easier now..."

She frowned and stormed off.

 

[resdog851_rivals159165]

There are probably actually 10-20x more infected people than you think or know about. One of the huge problems with this virus is it's ability to be shed without clinical disease and THEN the persistent shedding from recovered victims. This is going to drag out for months regardless of what was done or what we do next. The question is whether or not Britain has it right by trying to get it over with quickly. My opinion is that their epidemiologists looked at the amount of community spread and just said "It's too late. Let it run it's course."

I believe exactly what you wrote. This has been around for several months longer than most know. I have relayed symptoms to two different friends of mine, one who lives several states away in Texas and we all had the exact same symptoms. Those symptoms mirror this current pandemic. I had it back in late December and couldn't shake it for a month. As far as the cough, it was pretty brutal for about a week and then the next three weeks was just a persistent lack of energy and lung capacity. I chalked it up to garden variety "crud" which I have had before. This has been around for a while and far more have had it than the numbers suggest. I hope that suggests it will be gone quicker than they are forecasting.

 

[SnohomishRed]

True, but on the 4th in my area, everyone comes out and hangs out in the driveways. I like to believe we are all celebrating freedom and family. But, these days... dunno.

Back when Holmes Lake had the Firework Show, we would always shake hands with those who walked with us and those gunning past us. We were close enough that we could walk there. So much of us were easy to talk to. Easy to strike up convo.

This past week I've tried an experiment to gauge random friendliness and reaching out. It always seems the older generations tend to be more open to casual conversations.

Though, they some generations may not enjoy attempts at funny banter; I was in the bread aisle and it was empty except for Sara Lee rye. She commented, "I cant believe this, normally I cant decide and now this!!!". I walked by and said, "welp, I guess the selection makes your choice a lot easier now..."

She frowned and stormed off.

we screwed up our courage and went to safeway a few days ago ( probably wont again for some time) I was at the register and asked the cashier how many toilet rolls does a family need ? She smiled then I said it will be awhile before we are back. She said you will need more booze soon ( maybe right ) not that I drink that much but I was buying Gin as I heard Gin and tonics can fight it off

People are still nice and in the toughest times come together - right now where I live everyone is scared it will pass

 

[HuskerHusaria]

we screwed up our courage and went to safeway a few days ago ( probably wont again for some time) I was at the register and asked the cashier how many toilet rolls does a family need ? She smiled then I said it will be awhile before we are back. She said you will need more booze soon ( maybe right ) not that I drink that much but I was buying Gin as I heard Gin and tonics can fight it off

People are still nice and in the toughest times come together - right now where I live everyone is scared it will pass

That's great We can only hope for community unity

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

How different states are responding to a national and international call to action in this war.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

The issue with testing was it should have been drive up available one month ago...and I guarantee school would be in session and the economy would be chugging along. If people could trust the cases in their communities, and their possible interactions with the virus then life could go on. The isolation response is directly related to the embarrassing way that this was handled from a federal point of view...a complete embarrassment. I think we are so used to being embarrassed that it is just shrugged off...I mean there is national pride in South Korea and China...even if China is pissed at their regime they still followed when the regime decided to do something. We had a completely novel test designed in omaha that allows test results in FOUR HOURS...it was developed a month too late. Pandemic predictions were clear and obvious back in February 2nd...it was an easily communicable virus that maintains itself in nature for an extended period of time and can be shed with little to no symptoms. Well, we have learned. And thankfully it isn't a society killer.

If you never get symptoms, do you test anyways? Will everybody test? Those who test positive, will they obey quarantine?
They're handing out fines in europe for breaking quarantines,alot are breaking theirs.

Should we be like china? Totalitarian? Or, should we do our gest, do the right thing and hope for an early vaccine, flu season to hopefully have its impact etc?

 

[VandalHuskerJulie]

watch this video from the local news I follow if you want a sense what is going in Seattle

https://komonews.com/news/coronavir...attle-coronavirus-turns-our-world-upside-down

Thanks for sharing that. Seattle is such a beautiful city that video brought tears to my eyes (except when he mentioned the Mariners - everyone know Seattle is SOUNDERS territory). It might be time for me to venture out to my local Safeway and stock up on more Seattle Hard Cider. And Fireball. And try to find some MLS coverage of old Seattle Sounders games. Winking

 

[WHCSC]

Are these guidelines calling for no more than 10 or 50 legal and enforceable or are they just suggestions? Would this fall under our right to assemble?

 

[Ewooc]

I believe exactly what you wrote. This has been around for several months longer than most know. I have relayed symptoms to two different friends of mine, one who lives several states away in Texas and we all had the exact same symptoms. Those symptoms mirror this current pandemic. I had it back in late December and couldn't shake it for a month. As far as the cough, it was pretty brutal for about a week and then the next three weeks was just a persistent lack of energy and lung capacity. I chalked it up to garden variety "crud" which I have had before. This has been around for a while and far more have had it than the numbers suggest. I hope that suggests it will be gone quicker than they are forecasting.

For all we know this could have been floating around for a year or more, evolving, and adapting, until boom. I swear I had it a year or so ago. Ran 103 fever for a day or so. Then the cough kicked in. I couldn't sleep because of the relentless cough. What was weird is no meds would help or touch it. I have had bad coughs before but could always get relief from cough meds. This nothing worked. There were points at night where I couldn't lay down because I felt like my throat was closing and I couldn't breath. After a week I went to the doc and he said it is viral and he has been seeing a lot of it. He said it lasts about a month. It did. I have never in my life felt that helpless and sick.