Could this be the year....the IHSA implodes?

[FootballDad1979]

We all know the games are played on the field but looking at them played on paper we could very easily see 7 classes won by private schools!
8A: Loyola (Semi: Marist v Loyola)
7A: Brother Rice (Semi: St Rita v Brother Rice)
6A: ESTL (MIght as well be a private) (Cary-Grove v ESTL)
5A: NAZ (Morris v Naz)...could also see Fenwick
4A: JCA (Rochester v JCA)
3A: IC (IC v Williamsville)
2A: Bishop Mac (BM v St Theresa)
1A: Aurora Christian (AC v ???)

 

[mc140]

I think the long game by waving the multiplier is to push for separate playoffs.

 

[godfthr53]

We all know the games are played on the field but looking at them played on paper we could very easily see 7 classes won by private schools!
8A: Loyola (Semi: Marist v Loyola)
7A: Brother Rice (Semi: St Rita v Brother Rice)
6A: ESTL (MIght as well be a private) (Cary-Grove v ESTL)
5A: NAZ (Morris v Naz)...could also see Fenwick
4A: JCA (Rochester v JCA)
3A: IC (IC v Williamsville)
2A: Bishop Mac (BM v St Theresa)
1A: Aurora Christian (AC v ???)

I come up with a scenario like that every year and rarely is it 50% correct.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

We all know the games are played on the field but looking at them played on paper we could very easily see 7 classes won by private schools!
8A: Loyola (Semi: Marist v Loyola)
7A: Brother Rice (Semi: St Rita v Brother Rice)
6A: ESTL (MIght as well be a private) (Cary-Grove v ESTL)
5A: NAZ (Morris v Naz)...could also see Fenwick
4A: JCA (Rochester v JCA)
3A: IC (IC v Williamsville)
2A: Bishop Mac (BM v St Theresa)
1A: Aurora Christian (AC v ???)

We can only hope...

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I come up with a scenario like that every year and rarely is it 50% correct.

Same here.

 

[FballDaddy]

We can only hope...

Why would we hope for that?

 

[Blue Ruin]

Going by my very rough count, 308 state championship games have been played across all classes since '74. Of that total, 66, or about 20 percent, have been won by Catholic schools. Hardly an indication that the IHSA is imploding, or that it is unstable.

 

[refref01]

Going by my very rough count, 308 state championship games have been played across all classes since '74. Of that total, 66, or about five percent, have been won by Catholic schools. Hardly an indication that the IHSA is imploding, or that it is even unstable.

Now go run the numbers when recruiting took over say....since 2000.

 

[HRCJR]

Going by my very rough count, 308 state championship games have been played across all classes since '74. Of that total, 66, or about 20 percent, have been won by Catholic schools. Hardly an indication that the IHSA is imploding, or that it is even unstable.

except

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Why would we hope for that?

Because, at this time of year, a number of us (hence the first person plural) experience much joy when us rotten catlicks make things difficult for the IHSA by winning more than our "fair share" (whatever that is) of playoff games and titles.

 

[Blue Ruin]

Since 2000, the number is a little higher at 23 percent. Again, it seems to dispel the myth that the Catholics predominate.

 

[sac'em]

What percent of schools do private HS make up the IHSA Football Eligible teams?

 

[Little Kin]

We all know the games are played on the field but looking at them played on paper we could very easily see 7 classes won by private schools!
8A: Loyola (Semi: Marist v Loyola)
7A: Brother Rice (Semi: St Rita v Brother Rice)
6A: ESTL (MIght as well be a private) (Cary-Grove v ESTL)
5A: NAZ (Morris v Naz)...could also see Fenwick
4A: JCA (Rochester v JCA)
3A: IC (IC v Williamsville)
2A: Bishop Mac (BM v St Theresa)
1A: Aurora Christian (AC v ???)

Yes

 

[DeanOfSelection]

I think the long game by waving the multiplier is to push for separate playoffs.

Yes, this is done by design.

 

[Blue Ruin]

What percent of schools do private HS make up the IHSA Football Eligible teams?

There are about 420 high school football teams in Illinois. Of these, about 33 are Catholic, which is 8 percent. So 8 percent of the schools win 20 percent of the trophies, which doesn't strike me as grossly unfair.

 

[krock the house]

Please, oh please

 

[HRCJR]

There are about 420 high school football teams in Illinois. Of these, about 33 are Catholic, which is 12 percent. So 12 percent of the schools win 20 percent of the trophies, which doesn't strike me as grossly unfair.

How many of the 420 have a realistic chance of reaching the quarterfinals? 65? How many of those are 65 are Catholic? I say 20

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

I’ve said it before and will do so again. The IHSA will not split only football for the private schools. Never gonna happen. If they do it for one they do it for all sports which is why it’s never happened and never will happen.

 

[JCHillmen]

There are about 420 high school football teams in Illinois. Of these, about 33 are Catholic, which is 8 percent. So 8 percent of the schools win 20 percent of the trophies, which doesn't strike me as grossly unfair.

Has to be more than 33. 23 in the CCL/ESCC alone. A good number in the metro brings you close to 30. SHG, Boylan, various Notre Dames, Ottawa Marquette, peru St bede, althoff, Newman, etc. then add in all the Christian schools and the number has to be closer to 50 than 33.

 

[Blue Ruin]

closer to 50 than 33.

You're probably right. I didn't do an exhaustive search. That raises the 8 percent to about 12 percent, which means that the number of titles is even more proportional to the number of schools.

 

[FootballDad1979]

There have been 308 State Championship games played. Private Schools have won 103 of those games or 33%.

If you would like I can list all 103.

Also, if you are going to post don't spurt out incorrect stats.

Since, 2001 (when IHSA went to 8 classes) Privates have won 55/152 or 36%.

 

[guerinfbfan]

How many members of the IHSA are private schools?

 

[FootballDad1979]

If you look at football programs eligible for the IHSA playoffs (I did not count the CPS schools that do not participate in IHSA football playoffs). It is 52 Privates/422 non Privates. Privates make up roughly 11%.

 

[mikeywoj]

Those 103 titles have been won by 23 schools, with schools like JCA, Mount Carmel, Driscoll, Loyola, Providence, Bishop Mac and Montini accounting for 59 of them. Plus schools like Bloomington Central Catholic and Sterling Newman Catholic add another 10. So yes, 103, but 69 of them have been won by nine schools.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

This was done intentionally and with complete malice .

 

[mchsalumni]

Why would we hope for that?

Because NIPL

 

[cornerrat]

Those 103 titles have been won by 23 schools, with schools like JCA, Mount Carmel, Driscoll, Loyola, Providence, Bishop Mac and Montini accounting for 59 of them. Plus schools like Bloomington Central Catholic and Sterling Newman Catholic add another 10. So yes, 103, but 69 of them have been won by nine schools.

All.... Hey now if you are going to spew don't forget SHG. They have five. Ratsy

 

[NNFAN]

Because NIPL

Embrace and support the NIPPL, except in cold weather. That's when the NIPPL stands out on it's own.

 

[Blue Ruin]

if you are going to post don't spurt out incorrect stats.

I said at the beginning that my count was "very rough." And If you are going to post, don't be so superior. I don't need a math coach.

 

[mikeywoj]

All.... Hey now if you are going to spew don't forget SHG. They have five. Ratsy

Sorry! I just went down the list a bit and then stopped figuring I'd made my point

 

[FCHS2019]

Private schools in their own divisions works well here in Tennessee.. 2 for the privates, 6 for the publics...

 

[colin2229]

With the direction of the public school system…private schools are only going to grow in enrollment and athletic achievement.

 

[bccanwin]

Private schools in their own divisions works well here in Tennessee.. 2 for the privates, 6 for the publics...

I grew up in TN. When I was in HS, we had 5 classes. Now, with 8 classes, HS football in TN is watered down. I think it is pathetic that 2-8 and 3-7 teams make the playoffs. Tops, there should be 4 public and 2 private. There are not enough schools in TN to justify 8 HS football championship...... But, much like the IHSA, the TSSAA is about money and more classes equals more money.

 

[PowerI66_]

With the direction of the public school system…private schools are only going to grow in enrollment and athletic achievement.

Explain

 

[colin2229]

Explain

Private school enrollments are growing because of what’s creeping into the public school system.

Here in Aurora, Aurora Central’s enrollment is as high as it’s even been and are building an addition to accommodate. Aurora Christian’s
enrollment is up 200 from two years ago.

Local public school Districts have eliminated HW. Added a new policy that every test can be taken twice (don’t like your score - go ahead and take it again). Teachers aren’t allowed to give out zero’s. And the list could go on. We are lowering standards to raise kids to be lazy and average.

Much more could be said on Covid, religion, gender, etc but I wanted to avoid those topics.

 

[mc140]

Local public school Districts have eliminated HW.

Every school should eliminate homework. Giant waste of time. It is the football equivalent of static stretching and running gassers.

 

[colin2229]

Every school should eliminate homework. Giant waste of time. It is the football equivalent of static stretching and running gassers.

The point is that it’s a major change and not 100% of parents are on board w it.

 

[PowerI66_]

The point is that it’s a major change and not 100% of parents are on board w it.

By "not 100%" you could literally be saying 1 person isn't on board with this. I know what you are saying though. Sure, maybe a few more give the private route a try for a year or two, but there will be no major change in public enrollment due to this. The same parents who complain about a lot of this stuff like to complain about something no matter what is offered because "it's not what I grew up with." I won't get into that whole issue, but I want to be a fly on the wall when those bills for private education come in for the first time after years of public schooling.

 

[RetiredReferee]

Private school enrollments are growing because of what’s creeping into the public school system.

Here in Aurora, Aurora Central’s enrollment is as high as it’s even been and are building an addition to accommodate. Aurora Christian’s
enrollment is up 200 from two years ago.

Local public school Districts have eliminated HW. Added a new policy that every test can be taken twice (don’t like your score - go ahead and take it again). Teachers aren’t allowed to give out zero’s. And the list could go on. We are lowering standards to raise kids to be lazy and average.

Much more could be said on Covid, religion, gender, etc but I wanted to avoid those topics.

We can, I think, all agree that students should be proficient in certain math skills before they move up a grade. What difference does it make if they have to take a test 10 times before they show a level of proficiency that allows them to understand the topic?

 

[CCLGUY1964]

This year could be more of an anomaly. Most of the public schools were closed for a year. The Catholic and private schools for the most part stayed open. This year I think they have leg up as a whole. The younger teachers and administrators I think found sports as a nuisance last year. Several teams each of the last few years have dropped 11 man football.