Cougar Clash

[oberebo]

My argument for red shirting Ramirez is this. Yes, Ramirez is good and better than Figueroa but look at the latest rankings at 133.
1.Lucas Byrd, 2. Ben Davino, 3. Evan Frost, 4. Drake Ayala,5. Zan Fugitt, 6. Tyler Knox, 7. Marcus Blaze, 8.Jacob VanDee, 9. Dylan Shawver, 10. Dominic Serrano, 13 Ronnie Ramirez.
Ronnie could wrestle at 125 now I believe and he needs a year to grow into 133. I say we take our lumps this year with Figgs and then we have Ronnie for 4 years at 133. Looking at the top ten I say it is doubtful he could medal this year.

 

[ionel]

My argument for red shirting Ramirez is this. Yes, Ramirez is good and better than Figueroa but look at the latest rankings at 133.
1.Lucas Byrd, 2. Ben Davino, 3. Evan Frost, 4. Drake Ayala,5. Zan Fugitt, 6. Tyler Knox, 7. Marcus Blaze, 8.Jacob VanDee, 9. Dylan Shawver, 10. Dominic Serrano, 13 Ronnie Ramirez.
Ronnie could wrestle at 125 now I believe and he needs a year to grow into 133. I say we take our lumps this year with Figgs and then we have Ronnie for 4 years at 133. Looking at the top ten I say it is doubtful he could medal this year.

Wrestle the best healthy guy. You never know when he might get injured and need to take a RS. Moreover, we seem to have plenty of guys at lower weights. Why sit your best guy just to see him portal off next year?

 

[ionel]

RR!

 

[Anon1751751898]

RR!

Ramirez has been impressive beating Farber in over time in the semi's with back points and beats another UNI kid in the finals with the only 2 takedowns scored by Ramirez. I would wrestle Ramirez this year especially because we have Jayden Raney coming in at 133 and he is rated 5th for next years class. Ramirez is very quick.

 

[okokzach]

I really thought that was 3 for Casey. They should have challenged that imo.

 

[Cowboy1989]

I really thought that was 3 for Casey. They should have challenged that imo.

I really thought that was 3 for Casey. They should have challenged that imo.

Agreed. But then it looked like he quit after that.

 

[Anon1751751898]

Ramirez has been impressive beating Farber in over time in the semi's with back points and beats another UNI kid in the finals with the only 2 takedowns scored by Ramirez. I would wrestle Ramirez this year especially because we have Jayden Raney coming in at 133 and he is rated 5th for next years class.

Swiderski is really disappointing although not as disappointing as Figueroa. Got beat by Tyus of SIE, he got wrist rolled turned for 4 points when down. Swiderski got close on several takedown but couldn't finish. When he didn't get the takedown in the 2nd period 40 seconds of trying, he seemed to quit and gave up a quick takedown and that was the match. In the semi's he of course won but he gave up 2 points stalling. He is so inconsistent.

 

[OAMC99]

Swiderski is really disappointing although not as disappointing as Figueroa. Got beat by Tyus of SIE, he got wrist rolled turned for 4 points when down. Swiderski got close on several takedown but couldn't finish. When he didn't get the takedown in the 2nd period 40 seconds of trying, he seemed to quit and gave up a quick takedown and that was the match. In the semi's he of course won but he gave up 2 points stalling. He is so inconsistent.

He's just not very good. And as I have said over and over, his conditioning isn't there. He gets tired late, and gives up. I am stunned at him and Figs.

I guess we were pretty spoiled from last year's transfers.

 

[Anon1751751898]

Swiderski is really disappointing although not as disappointing as Figueroa. Got beat by Tyus of SIE, he got wrist rolled turned for 4 points when down. Swiderski got close on several takedown but couldn't finish. When he didn't get the takedown in the 2nd period 40 seconds of trying, he seemed to quit and gave up a quick takedown and that was the match. In the semi's he of course won but he gave up 2 points stalling. He is so inconsistent.

Solid win by Ryder. He seemed today to wear his opponents out with hand fighting and pinned 2 previous opponents at the end of the match. He was in control by the 3rd period.

 

[SlickWillie18]

I’m okay being done with Figs and Swid as starters at semester. Let Ronnie and (hopefully) Tagen wrestle since I get the feeling those guys actually want to be in Stillwater.

 

[alephpoke]

Well outside of Figs and Swiderski, the team had a great day! It’s fun to watch the backups get their moment. Here’s our seed vs placement for everyone, I bolded guys that wrestled to or above their seed.


Steen: 9 - 3

Figs: 1 - DNP
Ramirez: 3 - 1
Smith: 5 - 5
Rin: 9 - DNP

McComas: 7 - 8

Swiderski: 1 - 2
Hickman: 6 - DNP
Sheets: 10 - DNP
Burton: 12 - 5

Routledge: 5 - 3
Guerrero: 14 - 6

Facundo: 1 - 1

Ryder: 1 - 1

Johnson: 7 - 2
Dopps: 9 - 4

Mower: 16 - 6

 

[OAMC99]

I’m okay being done with Figs and Swid as starters at semester. Let Ronnie and (hopefully) Tagen wrestle since I get the feeling those guys actually want to be in Stillwater.

I couldn't agree with this more. Tagen is a Cowboy, tough as nails, will wrestle hard, and has the potential to All-American.

Let's see what he can do with this coaching staff behind him.

 

[OSUBigBadBob]

Was Simma a duck?

 

[TheJimReaper]

I couldn't agree with this more. Tagen is a Cowboy, tough as nails, will wrestle hard, and has the potential to All-American.

Let's see what he can do with this coaching staff behind him.

And when he’s allowed to eat.

 

[glorycowboy]

Tagen needs to take more shots and finish them. 141 he can kinda use his strength and ride people out. He won’t be able to do that at 149 since many will be as strong as him.

Only way for him to finish top 3 is he improves his offense. Because we have seen similar confusing performances from Tagen against elite guys. No offense till OT and loses 4-1 by single TD given up at SV.

But even with all those issues above, Tagen is better than Casey.

 

[Corby2]

Was Simma a duck?

He took a loss for it. Schwab usually doesn't sit healthy guys so my guess is something was wrong

 

[TheJimReaper]

Tagen needs to take more shots and finish them. 141 he can kinda use his strength and ride people out. He won’t be able to do that at 149 since many will be as strong as him.

Only way for him to finish top 3 is he improves his offense. Because we have seen similar confusing performances from Tagen against elite guys. No offense till OT and loses 4-1 by single TD given up at SV.

But even with all those issues above, Tagen is better than Casey.

I feel like those are issues that could be resolved by not cutting so much weight.

 

[ionel]

Swiderski is really disappointing although not as disappointing as Figueroa. Got beat by Tyus of SIE, he got wrist rolled turned for 4 points when down. Swiderski got close on several takedown but couldn't finish. When he didn't get the takedown in the 2nd period 40 seconds of trying, he seemed to quit and gave up a quick takedown and that was the match. In the semi's he of course won but he gave up 2 points stalling. He is so inconsistent.

Can Routledge make 149?

 

[Corby2]

Can Routledge make 149?

John would say 141

 

[bwel9339]

Was Simma a duck?

Sure looked like it but at least it counts as a loss for Simma.

 

[chasepollard]

My argument for red shirting Ramirez is this. Yes, Ramirez is good and better than Figueroa but look at the latest rankings at 133.
1.Lucas Byrd, 2. Ben Davino, 3. Evan Frost, 4. Drake Ayala,5. Zan Fugitt, 6. Tyler Knox, 7. Marcus Blaze, 8.Jacob VanDee, 9. Dylan Shawver, 10. Dominic Serrano, 13 Ronnie Ramirez.
Ronnie could wrestle at 125 now I believe and he needs a year to grow into 133. I say we take our lumps this year with Figgs and then we have Ronnie for 4 years at 133. Looking at the top ten I say it is doubtful he could medal this year.

RonRam beats Ayala on the 2nd meeting.

The rest, I agree. But, in this day, run out out the hungry dawg, that dawg is Ronnie.

He will be in every match with a chance to win! Run him out! Plus, I don’t think Jax Wrestles 33 next year.

 

[Cowboy1989]

Tagen needs to take more shots and finish them. 141 he can kinda use his strength and ride people out. He won’t be able to do that at 149 since many will be as strong as him.

Only way for him to finish top 3 is he improves his offense. Because we have seen similar confusing performances from Tagen against elite guys. No offense till OT and loses 4-1 by single TD given up at SV.

But even with all those issues above, Tagen is better than Casey.

I still think Tagen will be one of the strongest guys at 149. He should have a lot more energy as well without cutting so hard.

 

[Corby2]

The portal game is a gamble. Just because guys were good in one environment and system doesn't mean it's gonna automatically be the same in a new environment and system. They thought they needed a 133 and 149 but they probably had those answers in the room already with Ronnie and Jamison. The guys last year did so well they thought why not. Many here were saying the staff didn't like the portal and wouldn't use it yet they did. I dont see them using the portal much in the future they will go with what they've.

 

[OSUBigBadBob]

He took a loss for it. Schwab usually doesn't sit healthy guys so my guess is something was wrong

That’s what I generally think, but the match before that went to OT he looked fine

 

[okokzach]

I guess we were pretty spoiled from last year's transfers.

Figueroa is clearly at the wrong weight. Who knows how he'd be doing if we had a spot for him at 125. There are good transfers to be had but it appears to be hard to evaluate them. Maybe we should appoint John W as our official xfer recruiter

 

[ionel]

Figueroa is clearly at the wrong weight. Who knows how he'd be doing if we had a spot for him at 125. There are good transfers to be had but it appears to be hard to evaluate them. Maybe we should appoint John W as our official xfer recruiter

If he is gassing mid second period at 133 you think he'd do better cutting to 125?

 

[OAMC99]

Figueroa is clearly at the wrong weight. Who knows how he'd be doing if we had a spot for him at 125. There are good transfers to be had but it appears to be hard to evaluate them. Maybe we should appoint John W as our official xfer recruiter

Okay, fine. That could account for some of it. But not what we're seeing. He is a former #1 overall recruit and national champ. He's had time to put on good weight. It's one weight class up, eight pounds. Yes, I know there is a difference between the two.

It's an effort and attitude issue. He allegedly got paid $200K to come here. But look back at his entire career. He got hot in one tournament. That's it. And talent has never been the problem.

Maybe he was never gonna be an All-American at 133. But he absolutely could be doing much better than he has.

 

[Anon1751751898]

Figueroa is clearly at the wrong weight. Who knows how he'd be doing if we had a spot for him at 125. There are good transfers to be had but it appears to be hard to evaluate them. Maybe we should appoint John W as our official xfer recruiter

Figueroa was bad last year at 125, at the Big 12's NDSU 125 beat him. If I gave money for the portal and they spent my money on Figueroa that would be the last time I would give. He is worse than terrible because he has lots of talent but like last year he is not in shape, plus he quits, and he has lots of wasted talent. I hope that 1 portal guy a year is as far as we go from now on. Unless there is a couple of jewels like H and H. However, that may never happen again.

 

[okokzach]

If he is gassing mid second period at 133 you think he'd do better cutting to 125?

Okay, fine. That could account for some of it. But not what we're seeing. He is a former #1 overall recruit and national champ. He's had time to put on good weight. It's one weight class up, eight pounds. Yes, I know there is a difference between the two.

It's an effort and attitude issue. He allegedly got paid $200K to come here. But look back at his entire career. He got hot in one tournament. That's it. And talent has never been the problem.

Maybe he was never gonna be an All-American at 133. But he absolutely could be doing much better than he has.

I do think he's in the wrong weight class, and yes I do think that can at least partially explain his endurance issues. When you add weight you're not used to carrying around, it's extra taxing on your cardio. Even worse if you dirty bulked to get there. Also when you go up in weight and all your opponents are bigger and stronger than you're used to, it's going to wear you out fighting with them.

As frustrating as it is for fans to see him start matches with a display of talent and speed, racking up points in short order only to fade and ultimately lose, it is surely even more frustrating for him.

I'll admit my bias is to be optimistic about our guys. Figs has a lot of talent and he has great coaches, so I believe he can turn things around. I don't know if he'll be given a chance to though because they have to make a decision with regards Ronnie's red shirt option. If they decide to go full speed ahead with Ronnie as the guy, then Figs makes one hell of a backup at 125/133 if someone gets hurt.

 

[Btbw1968]

Before the season started Ronnie was considered to be in the mix. Ronnie Ramirez is that talented and I think Figs is a tweener between 125 and 133. Ronnie is improving rapidly and has his whole time in Stillwater. We will continue to be stacked at 133 through 149 in the future so he should wrestle and if we see something from Figs we give him a look. The season is long with lots of injury peril.

 

[Air_Thurman]

Okay, fine. That could account for some of it. But not what we're seeing. He is a former #1 overall recruit and national champ. He's had time to put on good weight. It's one weight class up, eight pounds. Yes, I know there is a difference between the two.

It's an effort and attitude issue. He allegedly got paid $200K to come here. But look back at his entire career. He got hot in one tournament. That's it. And talent has never been the problem.

Maybe he was never gonna be an All-American at 133. But he absolutely could be doing much better than he has.

I have no idea what Figs got paid. I would be shocked if he got $200K.

 

[Corby2]

I have no idea what Figs got paid. I would be shocked if he got $200K.

That's the # that was given in a court filing

 

[Air_Thurman]

That's the # that was given in a court filing

So you didn't read the court filing? That figure is put forward as something Sebastian Rivera included, based on what he understands. It's just what Rivera "heard," not actual evidence, that anyone got paid what he said.

 

[Corby2]

So you didn't read the court filing? That figure is put forward as something Sebastian Rivera included, based on what he understands. It's just what Rivera "heard," not actual evidence, that anyone got paid what he said.

I did read it and I know some of the #s are true so I figured that one was true. So you don't know what he got paid but are saying it wasn't 200k ?

 

[Air_Thurman]

I did read it and I know some of the #s are true so I figured that one was true. So you don't know what he got paid but are saying it wasn't 200k ?

No idea. Maybe he got $200K. I can't imagine paying someone who didn't AA the previous year $200K. That is also way out of line with what I know other guys on the team have gotten but maybe he did get that.

But people online have been running wild with the $200K number based on the court filing but that filing is not proof of anything.

 

[Howie_Fartz]

Wrestle ronnie this year at 33. Shirt him next year and then turn him lose at 125 after Troy is done. Its a no brainer.

 

[TheJimReaper]

Wrestle ronnie this year at 33. Shirt him next year and then turn him lose at 125 after Troy is done. Its a no brainer.

What about Zinkin at 125?

 

[DPJ1]

What about Zinkin at 125?

And Ignacio. Good problems to have. In my opinion the days of automatically redshirting your freshman are over, especially with what we have coming in the next few years. Get in the lineup and wrestle, because you might not get a chance in the future.

 

[Howie_Fartz]

What about Zinkin at 125?

Hes tough as nails. Itll work itself out. We will be seeing more than one stud sitting in the next few years.

 

[Corby2]

No idea. Maybe he got $200K. I can't imagine paying someone who didn't AA the previous year $200K. That is also way out of line with what I know other guys on the team have gotten but maybe he did get that.

But people online have been running wild with the $200K number based on the court filing but that filing is not proof of anything.

He was also out hurt last year and was an AA the year before that. These rumors and big #s are a thing of the past now. No one will be getting those type of #s from NIL Go