Confidence in Frost
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This sucks. But still 100% confident. This will turn around in the near future and this offense will be great next year and beyond. It isn’t much fun watching the sausage being made, but I still believe Frost is the guy to take us back to the top.
He needs to recruit and develop. Our Qb depth is bad, we have a stud with an injury-prone history and a lot of question marks behind him. Would feel a lot better if we had another big-time QB commitment, and some solid OL recruits, and some good OLB too (can't run a 3-4 effectively without them). DBs. Look pretty solid at RB though.
I feel the same as I did prior to the season. We knew a rough road was ahead, even with Martinez starting. This offensive system is not going to bloom simply because Frost is at Nebraska. If we’re this bad in 2 or 3 years then I’ll worry but right now I’ll take it for what it is.
One of my biggest concerns is the lack of adjustment by the coaches. Its seems like we are getting out coached by some very sub par coaches.
Teams are going to stack the box and force a guy like Bunch to throw and beat them. Our WR don't seem to get a ton of separation, maybe not as good as advertised, so unless we get Martinez back the looks defenses give Nebraska will be the same. Gonna have to light people up in the passing game and Bunch better improve in a hurry or this is going to be a long, long season.
The thing I most worry about with Frost is his ability to make the game fun for the players. He's a serious dude. Hates to lose. Intense.
Sometimes I look at the overall attitude of Nebraska's teams and it just doesn't seem like the guys are having a lot of fun out there playing a game they are all supposed to love. That seems troubling. It creates tension, leads to mistakes, and teams that play tight don't win close ballgames either.
Sometimes I look at the overall attitude of Nebraska's teams and it just doesn't seem like the guys are having a lot of fun out there playing a game they are all supposed to love. That seems troubling. It creates tension, leads to mistakes, and teams that play tight don't win close ballgames either.
If Frost can't bring us back, I'm not sure who can. I'll give him as long as it takes. There aren't any better coaches banging on the door to rebuild this disaster.
He's going to need to recruit a lot more speed for his offense to succeed here, though. It seems like Colorado and Troy have more speed than we do. Go get some of those sprinters from Florida he got at UCF. Some of the receivers and backs he's recruited so far don't really seem to fit the offense he wants to run. Offensive Line recruiting has also been underwhelming so far.
He's going to need to recruit a lot more speed for his offense to succeed here, though. It seems like Colorado and Troy have more speed than we do. Go get some of those sprinters from Florida he got at UCF. Some of the receivers and backs he's recruited so far don't really seem to fit the offense he wants to run. Offensive Line recruiting has also been underwhelming so far.
I honestly thought Troy would be our toughest non-con game. They were a good team last year, with good coaching. Losing to Colorado wasn't shocking either. That was a toss up game from the beginning.
As Frost said, this team is making way too many mistakes to win close games. While I was watching this game, I was expecting the penalty flag to be thrown out after a big play. The offense does good things, and then shoots themselves in the foot. The defense is not much different. This team is still not mentally there yet. And, anyone who has ever played a sport knows how big the mental game is.
Frost and staff will figure this out, I have no doubt. We may be in for a bumpy ride this season, though.
As Frost said, this team is making way too many mistakes to win close games. While I was watching this game, I was expecting the penalty flag to be thrown out after a big play. The offense does good things, and then shoots themselves in the foot. The defense is not much different. This team is still not mentally there yet. And, anyone who has ever played a sport knows how big the mental game is.
Frost and staff will figure this out, I have no doubt. We may be in for a bumpy ride this season, though.
We wont be seeing anything fancy this season so I doubt things will change on the playcalling front. We must first establish our foundation, without it this offense will not produce.
Return to greatness? I’m not there.
I think we will have periodic great years like Wisky, Iowa, PSU, MSU. However, nothing resembling the high water era of Nebraska Football
Although watching Frost and Chip Kelly so far this year, you wonder if the old Oregon system has become outdated. Now that almost everyone runs the read option, it isn't really special anymore, and good defenses know how to defend it.
I realize I have not been on the forums for very long but I think I allowed the hype to cloud my judgement. I knew in my heart this was going to take time, this is not UCF and the competition is much tougher than what HCSF faced the last two years. But I am encouraged because I don’t feel nauseous after watching a game like last year. My gut tells me when these kids pop the losing bubble some very big wins will come in bunches. We are shooting ourself in the foot, but I don’t have that feeling of total chaos like last year. I know the losing will end, hopefully sooner than later.
Didn’t Frost just have the #1 rated offense last season on an undefeated team?
I still have a lot of confidence in Frost, but I wonder if our some of our players do. It seems like some may have been divided between Martinez and Gebbia. It's clear that many on this team were close to Gebbia, and him not getting the job and leaving may have messed with team chemistry and morale more than we think.
True, but how many good defenses did UCF play last year? The AAC had many of the worst defenses in the nation. Other than Auburn in a meaningless bowl game, they didn't face a good defense.
I remember when Rich Rod was going to bring his high-powered West Virginia spread offense to the Big Ten, and that was a bust. I hope the same thing doesn't happen here. The Chip Kelly/Oregon system is not off to a good start this year between UCLA and Nebraska. I'm not sure the "go fast all the time on offense and pray your defense gets turnovers" philosophy UCF lived by last year, will work in a conference with so many good coaches and disciplined teams.
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I was never a fan of the Oregon offense.Lots of wins, but pillow tough when it came to the post season. I'd rather be Alabama.
Agree, Both Farmer and Morgan said the right things after AM got the nod, but it was obvious to me they were disappointed Tristan didn't get the job.
Y’all make it sound like our two losses were to Michigan and Wisconsin.
RRod's offense worked OK at Michigan, it was his inability to get a D that really hurt him there (and the cultural fit)
Frost doesn't run the "Kelly" offense. He uses a lot of the same concepts, but he incorporates a lot of things that you'd see in Malzahn's playbook and a lot of pre-snap variants to change things up so that defenses aren't tipped prior to the snap (a valid complaint about Kelly's offense from a couple of years ago and likely what hurt him the most in the pros)
Maclntyre is 27-38
Brown I will give you, but it is still a Sun Belt team, even first year coaches at Nebraska should beat them at home.
Love Frost and staff, not wavered at all. I’ve always viewed this season as a wash, due to personel and schedule.
Now my only complaint against Frost is (and it’s silly) the inability to lineup under center on 4th and 1. Lining up in shotgun is basically like attempting a 4th and 5 play. Drives me up the wall.
Now my only complaint against Frost is (and it’s silly) the inability to lineup under center on 4th and 1. Lining up in shotgun is basically like attempting a 4th and 5 play. Drives me up the wall.
About right where i expected us to be. This is a 3 year rebuild with our oline alone also given 2 of them left for various reasons. I was on 6 wins this year, probably not going to cover that but you never know.
Our jucos have been very hit and miss. I believe they bring much needed competition to the position battles, but some have been less than anticipated so far.
We’ve lost 2 close games from stupid mistakes. We just started a guy that was 4th string QB until 2 scholarship QBs went elsewhere this spring and fall.
We have the same players from last year, many of whom hadn’t been to the weight room in 18 months and were sloppy and undisciplined.
If you can’t see the changes and progress this team has made from last year, i really don’t know what to tell you except you better learn to have some patience.
Our jucos have been very hit and miss. I believe they bring much needed competition to the position battles, but some have been less than anticipated so far.
We’ve lost 2 close games from stupid mistakes. We just started a guy that was 4th string QB until 2 scholarship QBs went elsewhere this spring and fall.
We have the same players from last year, many of whom hadn’t been to the weight room in 18 months and were sloppy and undisciplined.
If you can’t see the changes and progress this team has made from last year, i really don’t know what to tell you except you better learn to have some patience.
Things won't return to greatness until SF uses the formula that worked before. You don't return to Nebraska greatness by being Oregon.
He’s blending both. Having an old school formula with the new wave. We have to appeal to recruits. Being an option offense won’t get us the athletes needed to succeed in the Big 10 these days.
He's trying to blend 90's culture with the Chip Kelly schemes.
There is a formula that worked here in the past. We continue to have people that want to do it their way I guess..
He needs stud offensive line hand down or at least ones that give a dam and no take plays off or how about a underclass scholarship player step up and beat out Conrad. To me most of the players talked a big talk but have no intention of backing up what they said shallow words.
I agree. Unfortunately, this staff's offensive line recruiting has been very underwhelming so far.
I said this in another post awhile back and I’ll say it here as well. I’d like to think that we all know who Rich Rod is as a coach and what he stumbled upon. Ric Rod is the man who stumbled upon the zone read in practice by complete accident. Turns out that this was a damn good play that was money when the right reads were made. He shocked college football when he had Pat White and Steve Slaton brutalize the OU defense with it. Eventually it became a norm, defenses figured out how to defend it and Rich Rod went back to being an average coach.
I think the last time we had a good center was Raiola, or I am forgetting someone?
I found these posts on a different board and found them to be generally relevant to my thoughts, so, I decided to post them:
"I understand how frustrated everyone is right now (I am too!), but let’s just keep things in perspective. Preseason, it seemed like a lot of fans and media writers assumed that games like Colorado and Troy were automatic victories. Very few, if any, of the games on our schedule this year should have been considered automatic victories. Frost has said all along that this would be a rough year, and that was assuming AM and TG would both be available as QBs. At this point my expectation is that we will play hard in every game, win some games we shouldn’t have, and steadily improve. I’m not going to worry too much about our W/L record this year."
"I don't think anyone would have predicted NU to be winless at this point in the season, however, the media, Vegas and the computer models almost universally predicted tough sledding to get 6 wins. After the Colorado loss, advanced statistics put the odds at about 75% that Nebraska would have a losing season. I haven't seen the numbers post-Troy, but I bet it's now around 90%.
You are actually talking about a subset of fans who think it's Nebraska's preordained right to win 9 games. They think Nebraska should roll Troy simply because we won a bunch of games 25 years ago and we've been selling out games since the JFK was President, while Troy is best known as either the Homeric Troy or the movie starring Brad Pitt. Incidentally, I would have included myself in this subset for about 7 years post-Osborne.
The program is presently about the 60th best football team in America, so there are no gimmes or sure wins vs. any FBS team. That's just a fact. No amount of historical achievement can change it. NU has to earn its way back. We've got the right guy in place to earn it."
"I knew this would be a year of transition but felt 7 or 8 wins was reasonable. Maybe I set my sights too high but that was before our backup quarterback left and our starting quarterback was hurt. Even then without the mental breakdowns and poor special teams play we should be 2-0. We have a lot to fix but I think we will see steady progress."
I thought there was a good point made on Big Red Reaction. They said that other teams didn't hear that Nebraska was entitled to win 8 to 10 games, (contrary to that subset of fans), every year and they were trying to win, too. I thought that was a pertinent point, also. GBR Things will improve sooner or later
"I understand how frustrated everyone is right now (I am too!), but let’s just keep things in perspective. Preseason, it seemed like a lot of fans and media writers assumed that games like Colorado and Troy were automatic victories. Very few, if any, of the games on our schedule this year should have been considered automatic victories. Frost has said all along that this would be a rough year, and that was assuming AM and TG would both be available as QBs. At this point my expectation is that we will play hard in every game, win some games we shouldn’t have, and steadily improve. I’m not going to worry too much about our W/L record this year."
"I don't think anyone would have predicted NU to be winless at this point in the season, however, the media, Vegas and the computer models almost universally predicted tough sledding to get 6 wins. After the Colorado loss, advanced statistics put the odds at about 75% that Nebraska would have a losing season. I haven't seen the numbers post-Troy, but I bet it's now around 90%.
You are actually talking about a subset of fans who think it's Nebraska's preordained right to win 9 games. They think Nebraska should roll Troy simply because we won a bunch of games 25 years ago and we've been selling out games since the JFK was President, while Troy is best known as either the Homeric Troy or the movie starring Brad Pitt. Incidentally, I would have included myself in this subset for about 7 years post-Osborne.
The program is presently about the 60th best football team in America, so there are no gimmes or sure wins vs. any FBS team. That's just a fact. No amount of historical achievement can change it. NU has to earn its way back. We've got the right guy in place to earn it."
"I knew this would be a year of transition but felt 7 or 8 wins was reasonable. Maybe I set my sights too high but that was before our backup quarterback left and our starting quarterback was hurt. Even then without the mental breakdowns and poor special teams play we should be 2-0. We have a lot to fix but I think we will see steady progress."
I thought there was a good point made on Big Red Reaction. They said that other teams didn't hear that Nebraska was entitled to win 8 to 10 games, (contrary to that subset of fans), every year and they were trying to win, too. I thought that was a pertinent point, also. GBR Things will improve sooner or later
my god people we are playing about the same people who went 4-8 last year, this week we start basically a 3erd string walk on QB, what the hell do you expect, these are the same players who have not won in 3 years, and the new ones who play are young, give it time,give Frosty some time and you will see change. in the mean time calm down and chill.
I’m not voting on this crap. Why do you start multiple posts like this? It’s been 2 games. Grow up.