Conference realignment story.

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

http://www.campusrush.com/college-f...ment-scenarios-punt-pass-pork-1801653984.html


Sounds much like the talk around here recently.

SEC
East Division
Alabama
Auburn*
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
West Division
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Ole Miss
Missouri
Texas A&M

 

[The Maroon Pug]

I like that, good to bring in OSU and OU. Good academics/athletics and adds TV market

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I wish I could find this website I used to read about 15 years ago that was some guys prediction on conference realignment. He has ended up being really spot on.

 

[patdog]

The problem with most of these proposals is they take an overall approach and ignore what's in the best interest of each conference and each school. No conference is going to do what's best for college football overall at its own expense. So there's no way the SEC would ever take both Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. when either one would bring in almost as much revenue as both of them would.

 

[SSBGDog]

If I were king....
Big XII Div. OK; OK State; TX A&M; Mizzou
West Div. Miss St; LSU; Arky; TSUN
Central Div. AL; Aub; TN; Vandy
East Div. KY; SC; GA; FL

Play everyone in your Div once, and two teams from every other Div for 9 SEC games per yr.

 

[mcdawg22]

The problem with most of these proposals is they take an overall approach and ignore what's in the best interest of each conference and each school. No conference is going to do what's best for college football overall at its own expense. So there's no way the SEC would ever take both Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. when either one would bring in almost as much revenue as both of them would.

Yeah I was looking at the NY Times map of fans by county, Ok state has a very small footprint. I thought maybe they were a majority in Tulsa perhaps, but they are not. Ok has that state locked down. Especially in the two "big" markets Tulsa, and OK city.

 

[nsvltndog]

I like the proposal. There is a lot to be said for having an in-state rival in your same conference, but I agree that the SEC would not be inclined to add 2 Oklahoma schools. I think the SEC would work hard to get 1 of the Oklahoma schools and a school from either NC or VA - NC State, UNC, Virginia, or Virginia Tech. A wildcard might be adding 1 of the Oklahoma schools and 1 of the Kansas schools if no one is willing to leave the ACC.

Iowa State and Kansas State are the 2 power 5 teams left out of the model. Small state, small town, land grant schools that were once part of the Big 8 and merged into Big 12 when combined with the SWC. Lots to offer but not overly popular when eyeballs on TVs are making the decisions. Makes me feel good about MSU being a charter member of the SEC. Charter membership in the Big 12 is not looking overly valuable at the moment.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Ok, and Ok State, not gonna happen.

Would be my guess.

Not both, As I seem to recall the SEC did not want Ok St previously.

But they seem to be joined at the hip.

 

[TaleofTwoDogs]

Remember, we are the Southeastern conference. I thought it was a stretch to bring TAM and Missouri because of the geography. I would be more in favor of staying in Dixie and going after NC and/or NCS or Florida State. This would keep the conference in the deep south and would add more parity to recruiting.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

It's a shame, but you are probably right. If you REALLY want a pie in the sky suggestion, add Texas and Oklahoma.

Texas would never do it in a million years but it would be fun to hear the people about the rich getting richer in the SEC.

 

[wtw2400]

It's a shame, but you are probably right. If you REALLY want a pie in the sky suggestion, add Texas and Oklahoma.

Texas would never do it in a million years but it would be fun to hear the people about the rich getting richer in the SEC.

No one wants Texas. They are the reason the Big 12 is about to get decimated. The rest of the conference is holding on to the heels of Oklahoma and Texas. Once Oklahoma leaves then the conference wont be able to keep its power 5 status.

Also why do you people want Oklahoma State so badly? They literally add nothing to the conference. Oklahoma has the fans and OSU has a worst series record against them than MSU does against Alabama. Thats more money to share and frankly I dont want to share it with two teams from a fairly small media market.

 

[esplanade91]

The problem with most of these proposals is they take an overall approach and ignore what's in the best interest of each conference and each school. No conference is going to do what's best for college football overall at its own expense. So there's no way the SEC would ever take both Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. when either one would bring in almost as much revenue as both of them would.

Not sure what the benefit of OU alone is, honestly. We already have Dallas. Is Oklahoma City worth a huge part of the pie?

 

[leeinator]

Don't know which website you're talking about, but..........

....I posted about 6 years ago on Genespage this exact alignment with BAMA and AUB moving to the East to make room for OK and OKST in the West. Is this my original thought?........No. So where did I get it?..........From an inside source within the SEC Administration. Will I reveal his name? No. Now that source you mentioned from a website 15 years ago was likely inspired by or even came from Jackie Sherrill. He has talked about for a very long time there would be at least 5 SuperConferences with 16 All-Sports playing teams. And that it would happen sooner rather than later. Good Day!

 

[msstatelp1]

Does OK have enough of a national following to make it worth having OK St?

 

[paindonthurt_]

Trying to build street cred?

 

[Dawgpile]

Not sure what the benefit of OU alone is, honestly. We already have Dallas. Is Oklahoma City worth a huge part of the pie?

If you have an eye toward the future, you have to imagine a time when all the 'cord cutters' begin to have a major impact on the footprint model of conference realignment. If those trends continue, then conferences have to look to a more content-driven platform for a-la-carte cable or online streaming demand. This is where any blue blood program like OU makes sense. Even doubling up in FL or SC would be doable if content were to be the focus of realignment.

Even with the current footprint model, I don't think the SEC would pass on as big a brand as OU if they were available in the next few years.

 

[amcdan2000]

I thought there were stipulations when the conference was formed. That Florida joined but not allow FSU and that South Carolina would come but not Clemson.

 

[engie]

I thought there were stipulations when the conference was formed. That Florida joined but not allow FSU and that South Carolina would come but not Clemson.

was right at the top of the priority list in 1932

 

[patdog]

was right at the top of the priority list in 1932

Well, I'm pretty sure there was a strong sentiment not to admit FSU back in 1932. Seeing as how it was a women's teacher college at the time. Seriously, we would have taken them instead of South Carolina back in 1990, but Bowden didn't want any part of the SEC and joined the ACC instead. That was the only chance they'll ever get at joining the SEC.

 

[engie]

All correct.

The topic being referred to is a modern ideal where UGA, UK, Fla, SC, and aTm agree to vote as a block to stop secondary schools inside their states. A lot of missed opportunities/lack of foresight from these schools back in the day.

 

[Carbaryl]

Remember, we are the Southeastern conference. I thought it was a stretch to bring TAM and Missouri because of the geography. I would be more in favor of staying in Dixie and going after NC and/or NCS or Florida State. This would keep the conference in the deep south and would add more parity to recruiting.

Florida,UGA,and Bama won't allow FSU to join the SEC,nor should they.

 

[OleMissLogo]

....I posted about 6 years ago on Genespage this exact alignment with BAMA and AUB moving to the East to make room for OK and OKST in the West. Is this my original thought?........No. So where did I get it?..........From an inside source within the SEC Administration. Will I reveal his name? No. Now that source you mentioned from a website 15 years ago was likely inspired by or even came from Jackie Sherrill. He has talked about for a very long time there would be at least 5 SuperConferences with 16 All-Sports playing teams. And that it would happen sooner rather than later. Good Day!

SEC isn't taking 2 schools from the same state. They'll either take just one of OU/OSU or neither, but not both.

 

[wasabaka]

OU and OSU will never happen in the SEC. Together or separate. Oklahoma doesn't add enough money per capita to the SEC Network, even if both were added to the conference. There aren't enough cable subscribers to support one school joining, much less both. The addition of even one of these schools would reduce the network's payout to each member. That is not going to happen.

Yes, it would be good for true football fans, but the addition would not add anything to the SEC Networks' subscriber base. Thus, it would not add any money to the overall payout to each SEC member institution. In fact, in models I have seen, each SEC member would actually be paid a reduced payout if OU and OSU were added to the conference.

The only expansion markets the SEC has are in North Carolina or Virginia.

 

[Hoover Dawg]

SEC isn't taking 2 schools from the same state. They'll either take just one of OU/OSU or neither, but not both.

This is a tired argument from 2012. While the last round of realignment might have been based on geographical television eyes, there is no way of knowing what the next one will be based upon.

 

[OleMissLogo]

OU and OSU will never happen in the SEC. Together or separate. Oklahoma doesn't add enough money per capita to the SEC Network, even if both were added to the conference. There aren't enough cable subscribers to support one school joining, much less both. The addition of even one of these schools would reduce the network's payout to each member. That is not going to happen.

Yes, it would be good for true football fans, but the addition would not add anything to the SEC Networks' subscriber base. Thus, it would not add any money to the overall payout to each SEC member institution. In fact, in models I have seen, each SEC member would actually be paid a reduced payout if OU and OSU were added to the conference.

The only expansion markets the SEC has are in North Carolina or Virginia.

I believe the average SECN per in-network subscriber revenue is about $1.40 per month or $16.80 per year. So if we added one of the Oklahoma schools, with the state's 1.5 million households and a realization rate of 80% with TV subscriptions (national average), then that's $20.16M per year just in subscription fees.

Virginia has 3 million households, so it would appear that a Virginia school would add twice the value, BUT as cord-cutting becomes more and more popular, the OU brand would carry a LOT more weight in the case of a free-standing SECN+ subscription than any of the Virginia or NC schools could offer.

 

[OleMissLogo]

This is a tired argument from 2012. While the last round of realignment might have been based on geographical television eyes, there is no way of knowing what the next one will be based upon.

Maybe way on down the line, but if another round of expansion goes down anytime during the current SECN contract, then no, they won't be adding two schools from the same state (or another school from a current state). It would literally add $0 to the TV package.