Conference Realignment News - Gonzaga / BYU

BigEastPhil

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Forgot where I read it but it was from a reputable College BB Journalist (Jon Rothstein possibly) who stated that both Gonzaga and BYU are in talks with the Mountain West Conference.

I presume for BYU it would be for all sports (though unsure) and obviously for Gonzaga - it would be for BB only - similar to I guess what the AAC did with Wichita State.
 

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Forgot where I read it but it was from a reputable College BB Journalist (Jon Rothstein possibly) who stated that both Gonzaga and BYU are in talks with the Mountain West Conference.

I presume for BYU it would be for all sports (though unsure) and obviously for Gonzaga - it would be for BB only - similar to I guess what the AAC did with Wichita State.
You heard correctly.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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The Mountain West plays solid ball...just off the radar enough to get pushed aside in recent realignment....BYU should have never left anyway.
 

Mr_Twister

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If they could relocate their campus in an easterly direction, Gonzaga would be a perfect Big East hoops team.
 

BigEastPhil

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Per article on cbssports.com decision by Gonzaga is imminent in all likelihood to mountain west. Interesting that in article Gonzaga AD states he has had discussions with other conferences speculating AAC and possibly Big East
 

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Gonzaga would be a great choice for the BE with Uconn but why would schools like Shu and PC want this

Why dud BYU want back in a conference they were just in
 

MADHAT1

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Gonzaga would be a great choice for the BE with Uconn but why would schools like Shu and PC want this

Why dud BYU want back in a conference they were just in
bac: BYU might want back in because football is too expensive as an independent and no P-5 Conference wants them .
I just wonder how going back might affect their ESPN TV contract .
ESPN has exclusive rights to all their football home games until 2019.
 
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_dave_

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bac: BYU might want back in because football is too expensive as an independent and no P-5 Conference wants them .
I just wonder how going back might affect their ESPN TV contract .
ESPN has exclusive rights to all their football home games until 2019.
I was/am under the impression that P5 conferences would fight tooth and nail to include BYU if not for scheduling issues on holidays and the sabbath. BYU would have to agree to play when TV networks want them to play and that has been the dealbreaker.
 

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Gonzaga would be a great choice for the BE with Uconn but why would schools like Shu and PC want this

Why dud BYU want back in a conference they were just in
Lots of SH fans don't want it. I am all for improving the BE, even if it can hurt us. Like hurley/uconn joining. Long term success of the league is what is best for SHU. I have been posting about an ooc alliance with gonzaga with a be school visiting them and them playing at a be school. Can't stand the woe is us crap I read sometimes on our board (and here too). Suck it up, get better and compete.
 
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Seton75

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What a road trip that would be. Seton Hall at Gonzaga.
Weve done it before. Played two games in cali, played hawaii tournaments. And zaga has played nyc.

I think uconn joins the BE. But by adding wsu, the aac now has three real good programs assuming Hurley does,a good job. Make that 4 if houston stays good. Not sure about the bottom of the league. I frankly don't even know who is in the league...
 

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It really is a hodgepodge of schools with almost nothing in common and spread all over the place.If UConn leaves,I assume they will bring in at least one new school. If it is not UMass,then it strictly becomes a southern and mid west league,with Temple as the lone Northeast college.
 

MADHAT1

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I was/am under the impression that P5 conferences would fight tooth and nail to include BYU if not for scheduling issues on holidays and the sabbath. BYU would have to agree to play when TV networks want them to play and that has been the dealbreaker.
You're probably right about the B-12 and PAC
wanting them if BYU was willing to play on Sunday. They have a national fanbase that both conferences would like to tap into, but until they are willing to bend on the playing on Sunday issue, doubt even the type of fanbase they'd bring along with them would have the PAC or Big 12 be willing to make BYU a member.
 

BigEastPhil

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If you had to bet the ranch,five years from now,is UConn in the AAC,ACC,or Big East?
I think the big east as uconn will give up on its football aspirations. And then the question will be who will be team 12 in the big east. Vcu would be a good choice but Georgetown may block it as speculated they have done in the past
 

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I think the big east as uconn will give up on its football aspirations. And then the question will be who will be team 12 in the big east. Vcu would be a good choice but Georgetown may block it as speculated they have done in the past


Wichita State would be a nice touch for the Big East
 
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BigEastPhil

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Wichita State would be a nice touch for the Big East
Can certainly see Wichita state as an option. But lingering question to me is what happens when Marshall leaves and does
Big east want to expand further into
Midwest? Can also possibly see Dayton as an option if so.
 

Seton75

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I like adding only uconn and playing a 20 game league schedule like the acc
 

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I think the big east as uconn will give up on its football aspirations.

This will Never Ever Ever happen. Not Ever. I don't understand why ppl continue to believe this is an option for U-Conn. They are heavily relying on football ticket surcharges to fund their infrastructure projects for athletics over the next however many years. In no possible way can they afford the giant hole dropping football down to FCS would blow in their budget.
 

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This will Never Ever Ever happen. Not Ever. I don't understand why ppl continue to believe this is an option for U-Conn. They are heavily relying on football ticket surcharges to fund their infrastructure projects for athletics over the next however many years. In no possible way can they afford the giant hole dropping football down to FCS would blow in their budget.

In the short term you are right, of course. They put a lot of money into big-time football and can't back away easily. But UConn football is a long-term losing proposition, while UConn basketball -- if basketball was the primary sport -- could regain some degree of prominence.

And while I never thought about it before, Temple would do well to follow suit. The planned stadium would be great for them, but neighborhood opposition is going to make that a tough fight. If they lose it, they should get Storrs on the phone and Skype with the Colonial and Big East to land football in one of the best FCS leagues and basketball in the best non-football D-I basketball league. Adding those two schools would help the Big East repeat the kind of deal it got with FS1 when that expires.

And if UConn thinks it's going to sell lots of football tickets to see American games, it's crazy. The top few teams in that league are very good, but the rest of them are pretty weak and definitely not draws. Or, to put it another way, do you want to see the Huskies play football against East Carolina, or basketball against Villanova? Of course in the short run it's a risk, but a permanently mediocre football program which helps drag down basketball spells a very gloomy future.

As to the OP, Gonzaga to the Mountain West completely destroys the notion that playing football is important to conference identity. Much like the American took a step up by adding Wichita State, the MW should do the same. BYU I would let twist in the wind. A year or two in the Zags-less WCC and they would do anything to be let in. And much like the American has Navy playing football and nothing else and Wichita State playing basketball and not football, the MW would have Hawaii playing football and nothing else in the league and Gonzaga playing basketball and not football. Twelve teams is an easy thing to do, even if it isn't the same 12 in each sport.
 

czxqa

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And if UConn thinks it's going to sell lots of football tickets to see American games, it's crazy. The top few teams in that league are very good, but the rest of them are pretty weak and definitely not draws. Or, to put it another way, do you want to see the Huskies play football against East Carolina, or basketball against Villanova? Of course in the short run it's a risk, but a permanently mediocre football program which helps drag down basketball spells a very gloomy future.
This is a pure numbers game. The flaw in your logic is comparing one football game versus one basketball game without including the alternatives. So, let's put this question another way. Combined attendance, which is better? U-Conn/Villanova at 9800 sellout and ECU at 20,000, or the alternative- U-Conn/Cincy at 9,000 and Bucknell at 5,000? Take the whole football schedule to 5,000/game if you're going to be playing a Patriot League schedule of Lehigh, Fordham, Bucknell, Lafayette, Holy Cross and Georgetown. At best. U-Conn's football attendance this past season was an abysmal 20k/game, mostly based on bad performance over the last two or three years. Does that mean they drop football? Wouldn't it make more sense financially to invest in a proper coaching staff (which they have tried to do twice now) and let the better performance bring the attendance back into its more typical 35k-40k range rather than tanking football entirely? The TV money difference between the two conferences is not that much, so that's not a factor.

Second question, how much can we expect attendance and revenue to improve in men's basketball by shifting conferences? They averaged 8,500 out of 9,800+ this year even in a bad year, so they're not far from the ceiling there anyway. Is one game a year vs Villanova going to move the needle from a revenue standpoint? If so, schedule them OOC. Hurley will make that team competitive without having to move from a conference with 4 NCAA qualifiers to one with a whopping six. Again, does it really move the needle?

What really would move the needle for them would be for football to get strong again and to get an extra 100k fans a season into seats for football games, and that's not happening by moving down to the Patriot League. Instead they'll be kissing 100k fannies in seats goodbye.

It just makes no financial sense whatsoever. I don't really care what happens up in Storrs, and writing this post has made me think more about U-Conn sports than I have in the last three years combined, but so many ppl keep talking about them dropping football down that I've just kind of gotten tired of hearing this stuff. It's silly, and if you look at the numbers it just doesn't make any sense from a business perspective. None at all. Plus, it's all the same crap we've all heard a thousand times and bristled at when directed at our program.
 
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UConn isn't an institutional fit in the BE any longer, if it ever was. That league has carved out its identity as a Catholic league and it seems to work for them. If they want to add a school or two, why not Dayton and/or Loyola, Chicago?

UConn needs to hold onto its dream of making it into a P-5 conference. The status quo won't last forever. Didn't they play BC recently? So perhaps that hatchet has been buried.
 
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If thats the case have to feel bad for St Mary's but oh well.

I wouldn't feel bad for St. Mary's. Take Gonzaga out of the equation and they win that conference tournament every year. Gonzaga is the reason they were left out of this year's NCAA Tournament.
 

PatrickRU92

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I wouldn't feel bad for St. Mary's. Take Gonzaga out of the equation and they win that conference tournament every year. Gonzaga is the reason they were left out of this year's NCAA Tournament.
Thats a good point but they are big rivals. Maybe they'll play OOC
 

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Isn't conference expansion still all about markets and what a school brings from a TV revenue perspective? I don't think Loyola and Dayton would be considered under that criteria given the presence of DePaul and Xavier. UConn's basketball rep is strong enough to interest the broadcast world but they would have to be certain there is no P-5 alternative on the horizon before making a long term commitment to downgrade football further.
 

RUmike25

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Isn't conference expansion still all about markets and what a school brings from a TV revenue perspective? I don't think Loyola and Dayton would be considered under that criteria given the presence of DePaul and Xavier. UConn's basketball rep is strong enough to interest the broadcast world but they would have to be certain there is no P-5 alternative on the horizon before making a long term commitment to downgrade football further.

The markets of Dayton & Xavier do overlap to some degree, but, most of Dayton's season ticket holders reside north of the city of Cincinnati, where Xavier is located.
 
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