Conference 34

[piz hokies]

Any word on who will be the top seed?

Brunswick - 15-1 Co-Reg Dist Champs (Dist Tourney???) Overall 17-4
Greensville - 15-1 Co-Reg Dist Champs (Dist Tourney???) Overall 19-3
Prince Edward - 15-2 District Champs (playing in District Tourney Champ game) Overall 19-3

Rest of the pack:
Amelia - 11-6, lost in district semi finals, Overall 11-6
Bluestone - 10-7, lost in district semi finals, Overall 12-9
Nottoway - 8-9, lost in district quarter finals, Overall 10-11
Goochland - 5-12, lost in district quarter finals, Overall 9-14


Should be interesting how the top three seeds are set.
According to the Con 34 handbook:
#1 seed is regular season district champ and district tourney champ
As of now, PE has the inside track. Is the Tri-Rivers having a district tourney? Word has it that there will be a playoff game between Brunswick and Greensville to determine the reg season champ. With not having a district tourney in the Tri-Rivers, does this cause these teams to miss out on the #1 seed if PE wins the JRD tourney?

 

[lighthouse52]

Just posted the schedule for Conf 34. Yes, Tri-Rivers is having a one-game district tournament (boys and girls) so that their teams will not be penalized. I was told that the winner of Brunswick-Greensville will be the top seed in Conf 34 with the loser and Prince Edward battling for #2. Will be an interesting tournament with three excellent teams. Seeding will be extremely important, trying to avoid the 2-3 slots.

 

[knightsfan96]

So the one game playoff to determine regular season district champion is also the tournament champion? Seems like they should be playing two separate games.
This post was edited on 2/12 2:06 PM by knightsfan96

 

[SgtPeppers]

VHSL needs to set consistent criteria regarding the seedings for the conference tournament. Brunswick and Greensville playing a playoff game to decide the regular season champ and calling it a tournament for conference seeding purposes is BS. Districts shouldn't be allowed to make it up as they go. Based on what criteria are on the books, Prince Edward, should be the top seed should they win their tournament championship. Having beaten Brunswick already this season should also be a factor when deciding the final seedings between the two.

 

[lighthouse52]

I totally agree that everyone should follow the same guidelines. In the tie-breaker for top seed, I was told that district winning percentage was higher than head-to-head. I think Prince Edward had 2 district losses. Brunswick and Greensville have only one so their district winning percentage would be higher. However, the rules vary depending on who you talk with. There should be one clear procedure for all conference and regional play! It's too confusing.

 

[piz hokies]

Yeah seems unfair to the six JRD teams who are in Conference 34, who also make up the bulk of the conference. The JRD teams played an extra 3 games to determine seeding, for what? On the other hand, the Tri-RIvers has one game, not a tourney, a playoff for district regular season champ. Plus the two schools playing in this game make up the rest of Con34. How does a one game playoff winner trump a district tourney winner?

There needs to be a better system than what is going on or both districts need to be on the same page (one way or the other).

 

[piz hokies]

According to this, if PE wins the JRD tourney, the best they can do is #2 seed.

If they fall to RH, then they will end up a 3rd seed?

 

[lighthouse52]

You are correct because the first seeding criteria is regular season AND tournament champions. That, and a lower district winning percentage, would eliminate PE from the top seed and would probably place them third if the other two keep winning. However, four teams will go to regionals from Conf 34 so these three should be a lock. The advantage comes with home-court games and then placement in the regionals. Lower-seeded teams will face higher-seeded teams from other conferences.

 

[lighthouse52]

VHSL told me this morning that districts, conferences and regions can set their own policies in regard to tournaments, sites, seeding, tie-breakers, etc. So it is perfectly legal for TR District to set a one-game tournament for both boys and girls. I don't agree with the rule but it is allowed.

The only rule that is set by VHSL is the deadline date for the tournaments to be complete. Of course, VHSL sets the details for the state tournament. This year's schedule is ridiculous with 2A girls playing at 10 am and the boys playing on Monday night and Wednesday afternoon. What a great schedule for fans!!!
This post was edited on 2/12 4:01 PM by lighthouse52

 

[SgtPeppers]

I am assuming the 6 JRD teams that made the tournament, made it over the Tri-Rivers teams because they had better records?
If so then, there is another flaw in using district winning percentage to determine tie-breakers. Brunswick and Greensville being the only two teams out of the district protrays two teams that played in a very very weak district. What if the districts don't have the same number of teams in them....That throws the percentages off. These are all subjective and debatable issues. The bottom line.....it will all sort itself out on the court which is where it should. I do disagree that district winning percentage should carry more weight than head to head. When you have two teams with similar records, head to head is as true as you can get and the winner should be rewarded.

 

[lighthouse52]

The six JRD teams made the tournament because all teams make the tourney, not because TR is weaker. ALL VHSL teams are seeded and they play in their assigned conferences based on school enrollment. It had nothing to do with the strength of the other district. Two of our schools play in 3A and one plays in 2A Conf 33. The other three play in 1A conferences.

I haven't seen any JR teams except PE and they are extremely good (although our top point guard was injured and did not play plus we have a new player who is cleaning up the boards who was not playing when they beat us by 1 point). TR is better from top to bottom this year than in recent memory. Look at Park View, Sussex, Surry and Southampton: all better this year. And Greensville is much improved (too much improved). Brunswick is better than last year.

You are right, this will be decided on the court. It will be interesting.

This post was edited on 2/12 4:24 PM by lighthouse52

 

[knightsfan96]

No dog in the fight here but there's no way PE drops to 3rd even if they lost to Randolph-Henry in the JRD championship game. The loser of the Brunswick Greensville game should be regular season runner up for seeding purposes only. They are still Tri Rivers Co champions but for seeding purposes only they would be regular season runner up and obviously tourney runner up. So Im pretty sure PE is locked into the 2 seed.

 

[piz hokies]

Everything has been sorted out by all of the administrators involved. Here is what was figured out if Prince Edward wins:

With a Brunswick win and a PE win, PE is top seed due to head to head. Brunswick is #2 and would host Goochland.
With a Greensville win and a PE win, Greensville gets the top seed and PE is #2 and host Goochland.

First round of the Con 34 tourney will be played on Monday.

 

[knightsfan96]

Well I think head to head should definitely mean something. But PE can't be any worse than a 2 seed correct?

 

[SgtPeppers]

One Game Playoff is Not a Tournament!

A ONE GAME PLAYOFF IS NOT A TOURNAMENT! VHSL needs to clean this up. Teams will use this allowed discretion to their competitive advantage. The criteria needs to be consistent across every district.

Definition of Tournament from Heritage Dictionary: 1. A SERIES of contests in which a number of contestants compete and the one that prevails through the final round or that finishes with the best record is declared the winner.

Key word here is Series meaning more than one.

This post was edited on 2/13 1:14 PM by SgtPeppers

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

In reality no such thing


as a District Tournament. When VHSL went to Conferences, District Tournaments went by the wayside or down the drain.

 

[piz hokies]

Re: In reality no such thing

Actually, in reality there are still district tourneys. Some districts chose not do have one and others continued as they always have. The James River District (1A and 2A) and the Jefferson District (3A, 4A, 5A) are just a couple that still have a district tourney. As for Con34, the district tourney is part of the seeding processes. Like it or not, agree or disagree, that is part of the criteria that was voted on by all acting member schools of Con34.



This post was edited on 2/13 8:11 PM by piz hokies

 

[dwcherb]

Re: In reality no such thing

The problem is that alot of districts may have 2 or even 3 different classifications competeting during the regular season..the Bull Run is a good example of this and next year the Shenandoah will have schools in three different classifications.
But, VHSL does need to make the same rules for post season across the board..makes no sense in each district/conference making their own rules...I would like for it to go back to having district tournaments, then regionals then on to states and do away with this conference crap....they took a good thing and had to "fix it"...sorta like an automobile, if it's running fine, leave it alone

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Re: In reality no such thing


I have maintained for years that the VHSL delegates too much stuff down. There should be a set policy across the entire state from D1 through D6. Every conference should play by same rules, regular season and post season.