Communist Manifesto or DNC Platform
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Both are on the Left, both depend on useful idiots like the kids in that video, both adore big Government (the bigger the better) and both either dislike or despise our Constitution which limits their designs for ever bigger Government. Quite revealing. Thanks for posting.
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The interesting thing you will find is how few Democrats will ever admit to how similar their beliefs are to it (Communist Manifesto). I've been posting for as long as I've been on this board that not only is there very little difference between what they believe and Socialists like Marx, but they refuse to admit to it or even acknowledge its historical failure throughout World history. Don't ever expect to see these similarities between the two highlighted on your average everyday local T-V news network channel. All you will regularly hear is that America is a racist country only for rich White people, and Trump is leading the way for them.
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They should wake you up! These kids look old enough to vote to me. What are they really voting for if they vote Democrat?
It scares me.
What does that have to do with the Communist Manifesto/ Democratic Party Platform ?
As a matter of fact I was trained on an AR-15. I was also trained not to shoot into crowds...
I think these kids are just brainwashed. How do they know so much about what's in the Communist Manifesto (their answer of choice) and so little of what's in the actual Democrat party platform?
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Most of them probably attended Public schools, and listen only to main stream news reports that support what they're fed in Government schools. It is by and large anti-capitalist, anti-free markets, anti-business, anti-individual, anti-rich (wealthy) and ultimately anti-American.(the system doesn't work)
Look at Obama's campaign when he ran? "Transform America"..."Wage inequality" "unequal wealth distribution". This is what these kids are taught in Government run schools, and it's reinforced by the Politicians who are presented to them by the main News media without ever getting a challenge to expose these lies. Communism is never critically examined in their educations, especially it's record of failure.
Is it any wonder they think the way they do?
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Probably an M-16 with the 2 position selector switch. Same rules apaply for shooting into a crowd.
AR -15, Auto/Semi Auto lever. Turned lever, pulled trigger, 3 shots rang out, Drill instructor had me on guard duty 3 straight nights....
Have you or anybody else read the communist manifesto????
This video is why you and 82 and the others will always be manipulated. You and the others can't think for yourselves. Here is the ironic thing, you took that video at face value and never researched anything. I actually took to time to watch it. I also actually downloaded the platform and compared. You want to know something? That dude picked and pulled parts of sentences to make his point. The societal transformation he talked about......racial equality ......something that you should push for too. Here is the exact sentence taken from the platform : "We will push for a societal transformation to make it clear that black lives matter and that there is no place for racism in our country." WOW....right from the pages of the Communist Manifesto. Hey I am definitely no fan of the BLM movement but don't you and I agree there is no place for racism?
Here is the next part for your reading pleasure. I know you don't research anything. None of you do. Here goes. The dude on the video read this: "Racial and Income gaps are the result of policies that discriminate against people." Here is the entire sentence. The racial wealth and income gaps are the result of policies that discriminate against people of color and constrain their ability to earn income and build assets to the same extent as other Americans. This sentence was within a broader category of discrimination. Again the dude takes the sentence completely out of context and uses it to prove his point. I actually don't agree much with the platform's statement. But when read within the context of the platform's paragraph, it is fully understandable.
I can go on but I stopped after just two of his distortions. You on the other hand take it at face value because it fits your narrative. And that is what really bothers me about you and the others here, is that you refuse to research anything. I had a liberal friend tell me that there were 7 billion Muslims in this world and almost all are peace loving. I googled it during the conversation. Guess what, there are only 7.6 billion people on earth. And while most Muslims may be peace loving, there is a sizable portion that isn't (Christians too for that matter). I watched the Wayne Lapierre speech today. I am sure many of you watched that and ran for your guns to protect yourself from the evils of the state. Holy cow is that dude a wingnut. Just amazing.
I have read it (Manifesto) and reject all of the suppositions and premises of it, as well the revisions and variations of it on the Democrat platform you have outlined here. I wish more Americans simply read our own Constitution, we'd be a Hell of a lot better off from either "Democratic Socialism" or "Communism" or "Maxist/Statist Socialism" if more Americans understood what is in fact superior to any of that bilge in our very well crafted, tested, proven, tried, and true Constitution to these Unites States of America!
I'm not sure what your point is going into the minutiae and pointing out how they're different...the point of the video was to show their similarities however cleverly worded the Dem platform is from the Communist Manifesto. Democrats never admit to their Socialist leanings. They will always claim it is something other than what they know it is or want it to be. Whatever that is, it is NOT our U.S. Constitution!
You want it?...Be my guest.
As for me? No Thanks.
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Communist Manifesto Preamble in part says:
'Bourgeois and Proletarians'
'The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.' The bourgeois, through competition and private ownership of land, are forever exploiting and oppressing the proletariat, otherwise known as the working class. Marx then states that the system always results in class conflict and revolution and should be replaced by Communism, a society without class distinctions.
The Declaration of Indepenence to the U.S. Constitution says:
“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….”
Highlights of the Communist Manifesto:
(First 10 are listed here for contrst to the Communist Manifesto highlights)
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Speech, and the Press
Amendment 2 - The Right to Bear Arms
Amendment 3 - The Housing of Soldiers
Amendment 4 - Protection from Unreasonable Searches and Seizures
Amendment 5 - Protection of Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property
Amendment 6 - Rights of Accused Persons in Criminal Cases
Amendment 7 - Rights in Civil Cases
Amendment 8 - Excessive Bail, Fines, and Punishments Forbidden
Amendment 9 - Other Rights Kept by the People
Amendment 10 - Undelegated Powers Kept by the States and the People
More reading of both to compare and contrast is encouraged, but based a summary review of their opening positions, the U.S. Constitution gets my vote as the superior ducument when it comes to individual Freedom and Liberty.
'Bourgeois and Proletarians'
'The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.' The bourgeois, through competition and private ownership of land, are forever exploiting and oppressing the proletariat, otherwise known as the working class. Marx then states that the system always results in class conflict and revolution and should be replaced by Communism, a society without class distinctions.
The Declaration of Indepenence to the U.S. Constitution says:
“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….”
Highlights of the Communist Manifesto:
- Abolishing ownership of all private property
- Establishing system of heavy taxation
- Abolishing the right to inherit
- Centralizing credit and establishment of a state bank
- Centralizing communication and transport with the state
- Confiscating all emigrant and rebel property
- Extending the means of production to the state
- Equalizing liability to all levels of labor
- Combining agriculture and manufacturing industries
- Establishing a free public education system
(First 10 are listed here for contrst to the Communist Manifesto highlights)
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Speech, and the Press
Amendment 2 - The Right to Bear Arms
Amendment 3 - The Housing of Soldiers
Amendment 4 - Protection from Unreasonable Searches and Seizures
Amendment 5 - Protection of Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property
Amendment 6 - Rights of Accused Persons in Criminal Cases
Amendment 7 - Rights in Civil Cases
Amendment 8 - Excessive Bail, Fines, and Punishments Forbidden
Amendment 9 - Other Rights Kept by the People
Amendment 10 - Undelegated Powers Kept by the States and the People
More reading of both to compare and contrast is encouraged, but based a summary review of their opening positions, the U.S. Constitution gets my vote as the superior ducument when it comes to individual Freedom and Liberty.
Why the hell are you now comparing the Bill of Rights to the communist manifesto? That wasn't the topic. First you criticize me for actually having the audacity to compare that idiotic video to the actual democratic platform. You and 82 are the first to condemn CNN and MSNBC for there slanted views and when I actually evidence where Prager U really did take portions of sentences out of context, you criticize me!!! That is right out of the Sarah Sanders playbook there.
Second, I have no idea what parallel universe you live in but only number 10 of that manifesto is even close to to anything I have heard from any mainstream democrat. I am sure you, like many other nutz, will point to the centralized bank as another corresponding bullet. But the US central banking system was envisioned by Alexander Hamilton 50 years or more before that manifesto was published. Believe what you want. I am sure you will somehow tie Hamilton to the infamous Community Reinvestment Act debacle and great recession....Right?
And by the way, that Bill of Rights you referenced was written by a slave owner and allowed your relatives and my wife's relatives to be held in bondage for nearly 75 more years. How soon you forgot that. So much for the friggin individual liberty as you gleefully pointed out.....but hey whats a few million slaves among friends.
I'm good with the Constitution OM1..it codified my freedom and equality and from whom it comes. You'll find no such reference of that in either the Manifesto or the Democrat party platorm if you care to look for it. (it is in the Republican party platform btw) You good with the Democrat's platform? OK.
This is why we have elections. I'll re-post a comparison I posted earlier this week with a side by side of what Socialists believe and what Democrats/Leftists advocate and you can decide for yourself what the differences are? Too close for me my Man! Next in the thread.
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OK here you go OM1. I already said to me the Constitution stands above both the Communist Manifesto as well as the revisions of it in the Democrat party platform, but fundamentally there is very little Democrats disagree with Socialists on in terms of Government's overall operating philosopy or purpose. Read this list and see how much of it you disagree with yourself?
Socialist/Leftist checklist: Do Leftists & Socialists agree on any of the below?
Income redistribution in favor of Government run Social programs? "yes"
Limits on accumulation of wealth, private ownership of land, business? "Yes"
Government run or paid for or subsidized Health care? "Yes"
Government control over the economy in terms of resources, freedom of or terms of the means of production, movement, etc? "Yes"
Limits on individual rights in favor of "group" or "collective" rights? "Yes"
Restrictions on private gun ownership or elimination of ownership of them by private citizens? "Yes"
Government Supremacy over all affairs human, including subservience of Religious beliefs to the State or up to and including elimination of Faith or the free practice of it in either the Public square or in the Government? "Yes"
Strict Government controls over and direction of private resources in the economy in favor of stopping environmental pollution or fixing damage to "the climate"? "Yes"
Pro Abortion, or against a "pre born" protection of all Human Life? "Yes"
General Atheism or lack of belief if not outright dismissal of Godly authority or the authority of the God named in the Bible? "Yes"
Again, go up or down any checklist of Socialists and/or Leftists and you will find very few fundamental disagreements between them about Big Government or how to run it.
Socialist/Leftist checklist: Do Leftists & Socialists agree on any of the below?
Income redistribution in favor of Government run Social programs? "yes"
Limits on accumulation of wealth, private ownership of land, business? "Yes"
Government run or paid for or subsidized Health care? "Yes"
Government control over the economy in terms of resources, freedom of or terms of the means of production, movement, etc? "Yes"
Limits on individual rights in favor of "group" or "collective" rights? "Yes"
Restrictions on private gun ownership or elimination of ownership of them by private citizens? "Yes"
Government Supremacy over all affairs human, including subservience of Religious beliefs to the State or up to and including elimination of Faith or the free practice of it in either the Public square or in the Government? "Yes"
Strict Government controls over and direction of private resources in the economy in favor of stopping environmental pollution or fixing damage to "the climate"? "Yes"
Pro Abortion, or against a "pre born" protection of all Human Life? "Yes"
General Atheism or lack of belief if not outright dismissal of Godly authority or the authority of the God named in the Bible? "Yes"
Again, go up or down any checklist of Socialists and/or Leftists and you will find very few fundamental disagreements between them about Big Government or how to run it.
You have lost your mind. Again you deviate from the subject. And once again you revert to your base arguments and lump everyone that is left of YOU as you as a freaking leftist. Therefore, you list all your personal beefs with our current laws and label them socialist........ In its basic state, allowing abortion is is contrary to three issues on the Atl Manifesto. Controlling a women's right to abort her fetus would be ADDITIONAL government control. But your twisted mind cannot grasp that. Isn't allowing abortion complete freedom? But see you want government regulation here. It fits your personal beliefs.
And I see where you also hit your NRA talking point about the elimination of guns.......Can't you think for yourself? I don't believe you, 82, or Brushy can. If you can, you don't demonstrate it. You just puke up one far right bullet point after another. And just when I think you are ready to actually discuss a topic, you dig your heals in and revert to your talking points.
I have 1 family member that I would consider a socialist. She is European. So far left she makes my head spin. You ought to spend a day a day with her before you start labeling all dems socialists.
Hey OM I don't think all democrats are socialist but I do believe the party as a whole is heading in that direction & that why repubs have a majority
I agree that is the direction the party is headed and I have said many times that we went too far left during Obama. But the mainstream Dem is not a socialist, not an atheist, and not a confiscator of guns at many on here the NRA would want people to believe.
She is old and I would say no. She is well published. She is an expert on AIDS. She spends all her time on social projects in Africa.Is she hot?
Tell you what OM1 my Man...I'll start calling Democrats Freedom loving Constitutionalists instead of Socialists when they start loving Freedom and the Constitution!
Sounds fair wouldn't you agree?
Also tell me my friend, if Socialism is such a good thing you can so easily defend, how come no one on the Left ever to admits to being one?
It's all good though OM1...your defense of the Democrat platform and it's wide variances from the Communist Manifesto are why we vote. Make your case to the voters, they're listening.
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I have no idea if you are serious or if you are just trying to prod me. How long have I been on this forum? 2 yrs now? I have nothing in common with the far right and I have nothing in common with the far left. Both groups filled with narrow and simple minded folk in my opinion. I would have voted for Rubio or Kasich had they been an option in 2016.
I have no idea how an educated man like yourself be completely incapable of seeing the world outside of your myopic lens.
No the mainstream Dem is not socialist or even a globalist, but the party's pets ( nancy , George Soros & other's) are & that is where the funding comes from & that section of the party is killing what the party was
Isn't proescuting Murder protecting Life OM1?
Question:
It's legal in some parts of the country to hold a fully formed fetus 12 inches from the opening of a birth canal and puncture it's skull to suck it's brains out. Perfectly legal but NOT murder right?
However, if you bring that same full term fetus out from the birth canal, and hold it exactly 12 inches away from the opening and perform the same exact procedure it IS now murder!
OK, so explain to me OM1 what the difference is between the two besides those 12 inches?
(I only use this partial birth abortion example because in your response you singled out abortion as being a "freedom" not mentioned in the Constitution but a "restriction" of it)