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GonzoCat90

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he's 6'4" - 6'5" right not 6'6". Let's not slowly add inches to these players.

He just measured 6'5.5'' shoes and a few of the articles from this morning said he's still growing. I'm not one to exaggerate height or weight of players, but I don't think rounding up, especially to expected growth, is outrageous.
 
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caneintally

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Scouting report sounds a lot like Charles Matthews honestly. Hopefully he works out better for us than Charles. Welcome Shai!
HAHA there is not one way in which they are even remotely similar. He is similar though to Brandon Knight . He is a lanky pg who is a shooter first . Not saying he is as good as KNight but the games are similar. Matthews was a defender first who could drive. Driving is Shai's weakness right now he is much more comfortable on the wing passing and shooting 3's . Again this is a kid who will most likely end up in the top 30 or so . Also he is closer to 6'6 then he is 6'4 .
 
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WildMoon

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He just measured 6'5.5'' shoes and a few of the articles from this morning said he's still growing. I'm not one to exaggerate height or weight of players, but I don't think rounding up, especially to expected growth, is outrageous.

I thought Bossi or other said he was around 6'4" than 6'5". 6'6" as a PG is pretty insane.

Where did he measure 6'5.5"?
 

ClockCalamity

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Discouraged by this...
-Not a great decision maker on the move. Can get tunnel vision. Still figuring out how to mix scoring and playmaking. Struggles with the simple play at times. A ways away from being able to run an offense with any consistency.
-Struggles to make shots from the perimeter. Very low release point. Misses left and right. Shot isn't broken but it isn't a weapon at this stage. Turns down jumpers. Not very comfortable pulling up off the dribble.
-The future Kentucky Wildcat isn't an instant-impact player, and he has to improve his shooting and decision making, but he has the tools to develop into an intriguing prospect after a few years in the SEC.

Encouraged by this...
-Excellent size and length for a guard prospect – 6' 5.5” with a 6' 9” wingspan.
-Tremendous defensive potential. Quick feet, active hands, long arms. Has the tools to defend both guard positions if he's able to fill out.
-Quick first step. Doesn't need a ball screen to beat his man off the bounce. Shows an ability to play at different speeds.
-Able to drive both right and left. Will occasionally use his off hand to deliver passes.
-Length helps him finish around the rim despite his slight frame. Doesn't shy away from contact as much as you'd expect.
 

ClockCalamity

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HAHA there is not one way in which they are even remotely similar. He is similar though to Brandon Knight . He is a lanky pg who is a shooter first . Not saying he is as good as KNight but the games are similar. Matthews was a defender first who could drive. Driving is Shai's weakness right now he is much more comfortable on the wing passing and shooting 3's . Again this is a kid who will most likely end up in the top 30 or so . Also he is closer to 6'6 then he is 6'4 .
This isn't what the pro's say...
"Struggles to make shots from the perimeter. Very low release point. Misses left and right. Shot isn't broken but it isn't a weapon at this stage. Turns down jumpers. Not very comfortable pulling up off the dribble." -draftexpress
 

BigBlueJebus

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Sorry, but you are just wrong. Read the scouting reports. Shai is not a shooter, at all. They also say he has a quick first step and has no trouble getting by his man. He is tall and long and projects to be a defensive stopper. Maybe read a scouting report.

HAHA there is not one way in which they are even remotely similar. He is similar though to Brandon Knight . He is a lanky pg who is a shooter first . Not saying he is as good as KNight but the games are similar. Matthews was a defender first who could drive. Driving is Shai's weakness right now he is much more comfortable on the wing passing and shooting 3's . Again this is a kid who will most likely end up in the top 30 or so . Also he is closer to 6'6 then he is 6'4 .
 

BBUK_anon

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"The winters are to warm" said Shai Alexander as the reason for his departure .

That is as lame a reason as I ever heard. If that is his take which I have to doubt a little..(nothing against you). I cannot see Cal offering a ship to such a mental midget. Cal can do better and that is a BIG if...
 

mebeblue2

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This isn't what the pro's say...
"Struggles to make shots from the perimeter. Very low release point. Misses left and right. Shot isn't broken but it isn't a weapon at this stage. Turns down jumpers. Not very comfortable pulling up off the dribble." -draftexpress

are these the same pro's that said the strength for Meeks and Lamb was driving, and their weakness was shooting...........................just saying

i don't think he is a great shooter, but if he can hit 35% that is fine
 

sluggercatfan

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Exactly. Why do we need guys that are gonna stay around for 4 years and contribute as upperclassmen, adding stability and poise to the team? That's why everybody here is always bitching that we don't have enough one-and-dones. I've always said the '12 team could have done great things if they didn't have to give token minutes to Darius Miller.
Was being facetious...on your side, but just look at DW and DH...how much pt do you think they get vs the freshman no matter how they are playing.
 

ClockCalamity

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are these the same pro's that said the strength for Meeks and Lamb was driving, and their weakness was shooting...........................just saying

i don't think he is a great shooter, but if he can hit 35% that is fine
I don't know... That's the only pertinent data i can find on the topic, and I'm skeptical of all players being labeled as shooters coming out of high-school. Very few end up being legit, IMO, so it may be the case that when they say someone isn't a shooter, they are. I thought Lamb was labeled as a sharp shooter coming out of high school though? In that instance, they would have been accurate.
 

mebeblue2

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I don't know... That's the only pertinent data i can find on the topic, and I'm skeptical of all players being labeled as shooters coming out of high-school. Very few end up being legit, IMO, so it may be the case that when they say someone isn't a shooter, they are. I thought Lamb was labeled as a sharp shooter coming out of high school though? In that instance, they would have been accurate.

nope Lamb was labeled as a slasher with a great floater
 

GonzoCat90

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I don't know... That's the only pertinent data i can find on the topic, and I'm skeptical of all players being labeled as shooters coming out of high-school. Very few end up being legit, IMO, so it may be the case that when they say someone isn't a shooter, they are. I thought Lamb was labeled as a sharp shooter coming out of high school though? In that instance, they would have been accurate.

Apparently, Lamb was deadly from midrange but wasn't consistent from three. He was known as a crafty guard who used his handle and body to get to the rim or stop and pop from midrange.

Percentages make it tough to evaluate high school shooters because you never know what quality of shot they're taking, who is defending them, etc. The third best player on an above average team might shoot 45% because he's always open, whereas a guy like Monk might be a better shooter but he's always shooting off the dribble with two guys on him against elite competition.

I don't believe Alexander is a shooter, but I don't think his shot is a negative. To our fans, however, not being a 40% shooter in college means someone else needs to play. I'm actually dreading all of the posts about the kid over the next few years. He's going to be frustrating for many of our fans because he doesn't seem to have a clear position or a refined, elite skill just yet.
 

ClockCalamity

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... I'm actually dreading all of the posts about the kid over the next few years. He's going to be frustrating for many of our fans because he doesn't seem to have a clear position or a refined, elite skill just yet.
I'm right there with you on this point. Our fans can be insufferable when we have players like this. I'm assuming the staff sees more than what has been written, and they're right more than they're wrong.
 

Wall2Boogie

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If shai only shoots 60% from downtown this board will turn on him quicker than the bush family turning on trump. I think he will be every bit as good as lamb is not better since he can actually drive the basketball and chances are he will be atleast a 2 yr player which is something we definitely need after this yr. I just hope he doesn't get frustrated and transfers after 2 years. Frankly, I like this guy a little more than diallo since he can actually shoot the ball. He may not be as explosive but the guy can fill it up and he won't be a one and some guy. He's exactly what we need in a big way. He's a shooter and as we all know you can never have too many shooters!
 
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We'll also be absolutely stacked next year, that frontcourt will be absolutely terrifying. 2 guard is my biggest question

-Alexander
-???
-Washington
-Bamba (hopefully)
-Richards


With a bench of
-Humphries
-SKJ
-Gabriel (this is still a toss up to me, depends on his performance)
+a few other guys
 

caneintally

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Sorry, but you are just wrong. Read the scouting reports. Shai is not a shooter, at all. They also say he has a quick first step and has no trouble getting by his man. He is tall and long and projects to be a defensive stopper. Maybe read a scouting report.
I read that and laughed when I did but then again I am going by what my eyes see. I remember with humor when people said Lamb wasnt a shooter coming to UK or people said Gabriel didn't have a sweet stroke ect The point is reality and what is excepted are rarely the same thing . But time will tell I guess..
 
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Read no scouting reports have seen no video. Since Cal offered I'd guess he's more of a defender than a shooter.
 

caneintally

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LOL call it what you will be 39% from 3 is dead enough eye to me.

I would like to point out that the article on KSR says he is a cross between Brandon Knight and Andrew Harrison so my comparison seems spot on. I never said he couldn't drive I said he perfers to pass out on the perimeter with amazing vision and shoot jumpers as the article back up. here is the part

“He reminds us of a combination of two former Wildcats in Brandon Knight and Andrew Harrison,” Biancardi writes. “Knight was more of a scorer and shooter but Gilgeous-Alexander can fill it up from distance when needed as he shot 39% in the Nike EYBL. Similar to Harrison he owns terrific positional size and can see the floor with his passing as well as finding a piece of the paint with his dribble drive game.”
 

GonzoCat90

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LOL call it what you will be 39% from 3 is dead enough eye to me.

I would like to point out that the article on KSR says he is a cross between Brandon Knight and Andrew Harrison so my comparison seems spot on. I never said he couldn't drive I said he perfers to pass out on the perimeter with amazing vision and shoot jumpers as the article back up. here is the part

“He reminds us of a combination of two former Wildcats in Brandon Knight and Andrew Harrison,” Biancardi writes. “Knight was more of a scorer and shooter but Gilgeous-Alexander can fill it up from distance when needed as he shot 39% in the Nike EYBL. Similar to Harrison he owns terrific positional size and can see the floor with his passing as well as finding a piece of the paint with his dribble drive game.”

1. 23 attempts is too small a sample size to call someone a dead eye shooter, especially when previous data and the eye test doesn't support it. Our fans will latch on to that percentage and then ***** all season when he shoots 32% on limited attempts as if as if something "happened" to his shot.

2. Here's how that thought process went: "I need to compare him to former players so UK fans will understand. Let's see, he's a combo guard so let's compare him to Brandon Knight, and he's about 6'6, so let's compare him to Andrew Harrison. Annndddddd....send."

If this kid is 6'6 with Brandon Knight's jumper and Andrew Harrison's point guard ability AND the ability to be an elite defender, he wouldn't be ranked 46th in an average class of recruits.
 

caneintally

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1. 23 attempts is too small a sample size to call someone a dead eye shooter, especially when previous data and the eye test doesn't support it. Our fans will latch on to that percentage and then ***** all season when he shoots 32% on limited attempts as if as if something "happened" to his shot.

2. Here's how that thought process went: "I need to compare him to former players so UK fans will understand. Let's see, he's a combo guard so let's compare him to Brandon Knight, and he's about 6'6, so let's compare him to Andrew Harrison. Annndddddd....send."

If this kid is 6'6 with Brandon Knight's jumper and Andrew Harrison's point guard ability AND the ability to be an elite defender, he wouldn't be ranked 46th in an average class of recruits.
I don't totally disagree with any of this. I simply was going by what I saw in the 15 or so videos I watched and pointing out that you can't go by what it says totally in those scout things as I learned my lesson with Lamb that way as no one ever said he could shoot and was a driver and it was totally the opposite . Also his ranking is off due to him not playing in AAU much and everyone says he is going to end in the top 30 or so . I think he will probably be the 3rd guard on our team be a 3 year player and you need a few of those on every team . I will stand by my statement of his game looking like Brandon knight as it just does when I use my eyes . I trust Biancardi as well as he knows his stuff. Way moreseo then some idiot like Meyer.
 

GonzoCat90

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I don't totally disagree with any of this. I simply was going by what I saw in the 15 or so videos I watched and pointing out that you can't go by what it says totally in those scout things as I learned my lesson with Lamb that way as no one ever said he could shoot and was a driver and it was totally the opposite . Also his ranking is off due to him not playing in AAU much and everyone says he is going to end in the top 30 or so . I think he will probably be the 3rd guard on our team be a 3 year player and you need a few of those on every team . I will stand by my statement of his game looking like Brandon knight as it just does when I use my eyes . I trust Biancardi as well as he knows his stuff. Way moreseo then some idiot like Meyer.

I think he's usually overly positive about every kid, which is fine, but it skews expectations and then we devour players who don't meet the hype.

I think he's more like a thinner Liggins who doesn't play so upright and has a better jumper, and I think Cal will mold him similarly as a guy who can create from the baseline/wing, draws the toughest perimeter matchup, and makes spot up threes. He isn't (hopefully) going to be a guy who we put it in his hands out front and just let him go like we did with Knight.
 

qwesley

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How much he fills out will be the key. Smaller guys are going to get under him and his release is a little low and slow. All those things can be offset with more strength. Intriguing prospect, would not feel great with him as the starting PG next year.