Combine WBB and MBB Final Four?
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Just call it the final 8 and have all the teams play each other
I never watch women’s basketball on any level unless Rutgers is involved. And even then I don’t usually watch for long.
Move Saturday to Thursday. Move Monday to Saturday and build a party event with family and friends around it. The Monday night slot for a championship game sucks.
If they're in the same place, the women will be completely overshadowed. If they are their own location, they will have center stage there.
Agree, need different locations
Just give the women the same type of practice facilities and weight rooms as given the men.
Meaning taking care of the men and women the same way.
I agree. Plus the football stadiums the men play their final four in will look empty af when the women play.
I know "separate but equal" is not an historically good look - but I think you might be on to something here.
This is most likely true. I don't see anything wrong with going back to the setup as it was before COVID. The problems of 2021 were primarily due to the fact that all of the teams were in the same place and apparently no one had prepared adequately for all of them to get appropriate facilities.
What's dumb about it.
The report only shown how the NCAA treated women’s basketball as inferior to men's basketball
Just looking at the facilities provided the women's tourney teams compared to what facilities the men's teams were offered, shows how thew NCAA did less for the WBB programs.
Any time one group of people are treated inferior to another needs to be pointed out and corrected.
There is nothing dumb involved with equal rights being addressed and inequalities pointed out so they can be corrected.
Let me know when women's hoops comes anywhere close to drawing the #'s in the stands, and on TV, that the men do for the NCAA tournament.
@ColonelRutgers is spot-on.
Remember this is about respecting and treating athletes equally.
Guess some just go by what they like and expect the college women's athletic programs to be treated like an afterthought and given less support than the men's programs.
How dare anyone expect women be given the same rights to the type of facilities as
the men's program gets from the NCAA or a college athletic department.
Don't they know , women's sports are forced on us by those troublemakers who expecti all have the same opportunities and treatment .
We all know : women shouldn't be allowed to do anything except for being subservient in a mans world .
Guess some just go by what they like and expect the college women's athletic programs to be treated like an afterthought and given less support than the men's programs.
How dare anyone expect women be given the same rights to the type of facilities as
the men's program gets from the NCAA or a college athletic department.
Don't they know , women's sports are forced on us by those troublemakers who expecti all have the same opportunities and treatment .
We all know : women shouldn't be allowed to do anything except for being subservient in a mans world .
Oh dear Lord lol nobody is coming remotely close to saying that…Again, bottom line, let me know when the women can come anywhere close to the type of attendance figures and TV ratings that the men do during the NCAA tournament.
Bottom line, the women give their all representing their schools just like the men do !!!
So they deserve the same type of respect the male players get when assigned facilities to prepare for tourney games.
That's a plain and simple fact that the attendance difference shouldn't play a part in what equipment and facilities are available to them to use when the men and women playing in their NCAA Tourneys prepare for their games..
This is not about attendance or revenue a tourney earns for the NCAA, it's about the respect being given the players playing in the games.
That's the way I see it, but understand attendance means $ and College WBB doesn't make the cash register go ding with attendance revenue as men's basketball does.
So some will look at how the women are treated with less respect as something that is acceptable because they feel " respect is earned" ( LOL) by the $ made.
Lots of athletes give their all representing the School, both men & women. But not all sports and athletes bring in the same level of revenue. Should every sport/activity receive equal funding regardless of revenue brought in? If women's BB brings in more $ than men's basketball or lacrosse, they should get the $ to put towards their facilities. Unless we think every sport /activity deserves equal share of $..then what should be used to decide the split of money besides revenue brought in? It's a very slippery slope & who should decide where $ goes and how?
If a sport cannot support themselves, shouldn't that become an intramural sport?
If a sport cannot support themselves, shouldn't that become an intramural sport?
"If a sport cannot support themselves, shouldn't that become an intramural sport?:
that's a good question and if ever implemented, a lot of intercollegiate sports programs will end.
With that in mind, should a Collage that spends more on athletic programs than the revenue they bring in, end their intercollegiate sports participation and just go all intramural when it comes to playing sports.
Found this:
"The Rutgers Athletics Department ran a reported deficit of $45.2 million in fiscal year 2019."
(So maybe Rutgers should make all its sports programs intramural ones .)
I found this fact:
:NJ Advance Media obtained Rutgers’ most recent athletics financial document through an Open Public Records Act request last week.
The fiscal report shows Rutgers spent $33.4 million on its football program during the 2019-20 school year.
The financial report shows Rutgers spent $33.4 million while raking in $10.28 million, and the end result was a $23.12 million shortfall on football.)"
So the question is,: if money earned is a driving force to whether Rutgers keeps an athletic program like Women's Basketball an intercollegiate sport or made into a intramural sport because it doesn't make a profit, should football be held to the same standards.?????????
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I appreciated this point of view & the data you brought to showcase it. It did make me think through this a bit more. ( I still don't like the initial argument about they all give their all...)
I "think" football budget gets billed for facilities and other teams get to use them in some capacity. Not sure if they are billed equally though.
I don't dispute your idea that Football & Basketball should be held to same standards, both good & bad. RU FB & BB would not hold up under this based on on field performance & revenue. Maybe based on potential, but not historical data.
I would still question, why we have certain sports we choose to keep. If it is not potential revenue, then what makes one sport/activity better than another? Why keep men's golf vs. offer an E-sport in it's place. While I like physical sports, I would believe many students today would opt to watch live stream(or attend) of fortnight vs attending golf or gymnastics, etc.
So why do we keep some sports just because they try hard or that is what we have always done?
Anyway, enjoyed your point of view on this subject even if my POV didn't hold up to your level of scrutiny/research
The NCAA is a 501 3 C. They should be supporting the participants of their events the same way when they are performing the same competition. Individual TV revenue should not be a factor imo.I appreciated this point of view & the data you brought to showcase it. It did make me think through this a bit more. ( I still don't like the initial argument about they all give their all...)
I "think" football budget gets billed for facilities and other teams get to use them in some capacity. Not sure if they are billed equally though.
I don't dispute your idea that Football & Basketball should be held to same standards, both good & bad. RU FB & BB would not hold up under this based on on field performance & revenue. Maybe based on potential, but not historical data.
I would still question, why we have certain sports we choose to keep. If it is not potential revenue, then what makes one sport/activity better than another? Why keep men's golf vs. offer an E-sport in it's place. While I like physical sports, I would believe many students today would opt to watch live stream(or attend) of fortnight vs attending golf or gymnastics, etc.
So why do we keep some sports just because they try hard or that is what we have always done?
Anyway, enjoyed your point of view on this subject even if my POV didn't hold up to your level of scrutiny/research
Sure, but what we see is much closer to a billion dollar businesses, not a 501 3C. So I agree if we drop to D2/3, it a great model, but for D1 B1G vying for large piece of revenue pie, that model is flawed.
Yeah, it would be a lot like the NJ state wrestling championships in 2019. In the end it certainly didn't bring attention or respect for the girls tournament, because most people left their seats for whatever reasons when those rounds were held.
I agree completely that the women's NCAA final-four should have top-level equipment and facilities. But trying to sprinkle it in with the men's final four is just going to make it look trivial and unimportant...
Why don’t they just think before doing things and the women will be happy.
the whole problem with the women’s tournament is that it seemed like no one planned or thought about anything. They didn’t even worry about optics. It was so bad it looked like Joe Biden planned it using the same thought process he did for the Afghanistan withdrawal.
the whole problem with the women’s tournament is that it seemed like no one planned or thought about anything. They didn’t even worry about optics. It was so bad it looked like Joe Biden planned it using the same thought process he did for the Afghanistan withdrawal.