I believe the rule is 1 year removed from high school and 19 years old and as long as they turn 19 in the same calendar year as the draft they can be 18 when they enter the draft.
Cole Anthony? What does this mean?
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But we may not be able to wait. Even if Tre is a OAD, that is no guarantee that we'll get Cole. If Tre isn't OAD, our odds of getting Cole can be mathematically expressed as "approaching zero." But just because Tre leaves it doesn't automatically make us the favorite to get Cole.
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We could be in a dicey situation. That said, James won't scare off Cole, IMO.
I still say COLE WILL GO WHEREVER HE WANTS. HE IS SO SKILLED HE CAN PLAY ALONGSIDE ANY PG AND THRIVE. he is THAT GOOD. HE IS KYRIE GOOD, PERIOD. He can share bringing the ball up but he will have his hands on the ball a lot. PLAYING ALONG ANY OTHER PG HE STILL GOES TOP 3 NBA DRAFT OAD!
SPECIAL, SPECIAL TALENT!
SPECIAL, SPECIAL TALENT!
No one is disputing that he CAN play alongside any PG. We are disputing how much he WANTS to play alongside another PG. Why would he want to handle the ball 50-60% of the time he's on court at school A when he can handle it 95% of the time he's on court at school B?
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If he were a HUGE Duke lean like Tre Jones or Tyus Jones, Cole would be fine with playing alongside another PG. Probably. But Cole is in no way, shape, or form, a huge Duke lean. We are, LIKELY, one of his top schools at this point in time. ONE OF, not THE, top schools he's considering. And no one is even sure how accurate that statement is.
Playing alongside another PG has its benefits... Especially someone in the Tre Jones, pass first mold! More open looks. I see Cole more as a combo guard in college. Great PG, Great SG. Leads to perfect NBA PG.
Not sure how much of a pass first PG James is if Tre would leave, but nobody is saying James would even start as FR alongside Cole. I would say that Tre will still be around and Cole will not feel threatened... Tre would blend perfectly and my guess is that Tre would even recruit Cole to Duke. James, if he comes will only play if he is one of the top 5 players or if he is the only PG besides Goldwire on the roster... And by then Goldwire may be threatening to start if a player like James isn't ready, considering Goldwire plays great D and came from an exceptional HS program and his dad was an NBA PG..
Not sure how much of a pass first PG James is if Tre would leave, but nobody is saying James would even start as FR alongside Cole. I would say that Tre will still be around and Cole will not feel threatened... Tre would blend perfectly and my guess is that Tre would even recruit Cole to Duke. James, if he comes will only play if he is one of the top 5 players or if he is the only PG besides Goldwire on the roster... And by then Goldwire may be threatening to start if a player like James isn't ready, considering Goldwire plays great D and came from an exceptional HS program and his dad was an NBA PG..
Personally, I agree with your assessment of the various skills and abilities of the players you discussed. I think it to be a well reasoned and logical reading of the entire situation and the various individuals and what would be in the best interests of whatever team the theoretically play at.
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But I doubt Cole sees it that way. I think he wants the ball in his own hands, and that is that.
And you are right... maybe he wants the ball in his hands... Or maybe he just wants to go to a great school and Win... Cole has not tipped his hand much, if at all... Nor has his family... You have to see what the situation is in the Spring at each school coach-wise, player wise, etc... What would our team look like. at the very end of the Spring period is when he will decide. No need for him to rush anything... When you are that good, everyone wants you in their uniform for the one year!
If he's willing to sacrifice his own touches in order to win, he'll be the first top 5 talent in recent memory to do so.
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I mean, if doing so would GUARANTEE a Final Four appearance (at the least), he (and other similarly ranked players) might do it. But, he could sacrifice his own numbers and still fall short of the FF, much less the national title. Heck, he might not even be on a conf title (reg season or tourney) team. And for that he will have passed up the chance to max out his endorsement money.
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Kyrie Irving, a very similar player, signed a 3 year 10 Million dollar deal out of Duke. If he'd played a more natural college combo guard position, he might not have gotten that much. Last year's Puma buying spree excepted, shoe co's don't throw around money to rooks. But Cole could buck that trend IF he balls out next year. And his best chance to do that is to pick a school that puts the ball in his hands all the time.
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Look, all athletes would like to win wrt team success. Precious few are truly willing to sacrifice personal touches/stats to do so.
I think any top 3 pick, which he will be no matter where he goes will get paid.
He is a special player and he will have people knocking down his door If it isn't in that first shoe deal (but I think it will be). He is an internet sensation already and will have plenty of endorsements waiting.
Kyrie didn't play enough to have a defined position. To me he was a scoring/combo guard. He averaged 4.3 apg, Nolan had 5.1 apg. So Nolan was just as much or more of a PG as Kyrie was. Kyrie was an electric scorer with the ball in his hands, not so much a distributer... Same as he is as a pro.
Kyrie only played 8 games. The exposure at Duke for Cole Anthony could pay off as he will be seen on TV 30 times...
In no way will Kyrie get hurt financially by going to Duke... It may even help his standing showing he can succeed academically at Duke and is learning leadership under Coach K, whose best trait is his leadership skills. His dad is a good analyst and despite being from UNLV does not rub me wrong. He doesn't seem to Duke bash, so I think he has respect for the school, unlike Jalen Rose. I think kids that play under K do just fine.
I won't argue any more. Cole's decision won't be made for 8-9 months so it is a moot point at this juncture.
He is a special player and he will have people knocking down his door If it isn't in that first shoe deal (but I think it will be). He is an internet sensation already and will have plenty of endorsements waiting.
Kyrie didn't play enough to have a defined position. To me he was a scoring/combo guard. He averaged 4.3 apg, Nolan had 5.1 apg. So Nolan was just as much or more of a PG as Kyrie was. Kyrie was an electric scorer with the ball in his hands, not so much a distributer... Same as he is as a pro.
Kyrie only played 8 games. The exposure at Duke for Cole Anthony could pay off as he will be seen on TV 30 times...
In no way will Kyrie get hurt financially by going to Duke... It may even help his standing showing he can succeed academically at Duke and is learning leadership under Coach K, whose best trait is his leadership skills. His dad is a good analyst and despite being from UNLV does not rub me wrong. He doesn't seem to Duke bash, so I think he has respect for the school, unlike Jalen Rose. I think kids that play under K do just fine.
I won't argue any more. Cole's decision won't be made for 8-9 months so it is a moot point at this juncture.
I don't get the argument. I seriously doubt Josiah James is going to scare off Anthony. If anything you could argue that if James commits early, and then Anthony committed later in the spring, that James may want to reopen his recruitment if the school will let allow it.
That said if Tre Jones has a good year but stays around I could see that being a factor for the reasons stated above.
That said if Tre Jones has a good year but stays around I could see that being a factor for the reasons stated above.
Sorry Patrick, but no top 5 talent...
Tatum, Giles, Reddish, Zion, and RJ say hi.
Not saying you are wrong in respect to Cole or what is in the mind of or best interest of any kid, but lots of big shots have sacrificed touches for a better shot at winning or to go to a bigger program etc.
Tatum, Giles, Reddish, Zion, and RJ say hi.
Not saying you are wrong in respect to Cole or what is in the mind of or best interest of any kid, but lots of big shots have sacrificed touches for a better shot at winning or to go to a bigger program etc.
Tatum and Giles both had wide open paths to their preferred positions/roles when they committed.
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Ditto Reddish and RJ. They are wings in college and the NBA. Either one can play SG, SF, or PF in college. Zion was a surprise, but he can play PF, and I think his main desire was to play on a college team where opposing defenses couldn't double team, if not triple team, him.
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Cole would have to move off the ball to play with Tre. Given the other guards we are likely to have, he'd be splitting more minutes than he'd like.
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I think this is all pointless, because I expect Tre and Duke to have great years, and for Tre to be OAD. This is a weak year for PGs, and the next few classes are stronger at the Point, so I expect Tre to go. Cole then jumps all over a Duke offer.
https://usatodayhss.com/2018/nico-mannion-reclassifies-basketball-recruit
Nico Mannion has reclassified to the Class of 2019. 247Sports has pegged him as the #11 overall player in the 2019 class. Most other sites have him slotted in the low 20's.
Apparently it's gonna be a 2 horse race between Duke and Arizona, with Arizona holding a slight lead (for whatever that is worth). Definitely something to consider moving forward with Cole Anthony.
I'd rather have Cole, especially if Mannion intends on being OAD. Cole Anthony is a game-changer.
Nico Mannion has reclassified to the Class of 2019. 247Sports has pegged him as the #11 overall player in the 2019 class. Most other sites have him slotted in the low 20's.
Apparently it's gonna be a 2 horse race between Duke and Arizona, with Arizona holding a slight lead (for whatever that is worth). Definitely something to consider moving forward with Cole Anthony.
I'd rather have Cole, especially if Mannion intends on being OAD. Cole Anthony is a game-changer.
Really?! I would rather have James or Cole before I would have Nico Mannion TBH!
Not me. Cole is number 1, but Mannion would be my second pick. Frankly, Cole may be more of an NBA type PG than one who will lead his college team to success. I'll take either one.
I want Cole Anthony strictly because I'm so excited to read for 8 months on Devils Illustrated about how he may be more concerned about the name on the back of his jersey rather than the name on the front of the jersey.............
Funsies. But, seriously, at the end of the day I prefer guys that can impose their will on the other team, and Cole is the only PG in the class who can consistently do that. Lots of great PGs can't do that (Tyus), so it isn't a necessary quality. But it can bail you out when necessary. Combined with Cole being able to shoot, and you have a potential beast that is largely unguardable sans elite shot blocking C.
Cole is a better prospect than Tyus. Now Tyus did have a magical season, that may forever go unmatched.
But if Duke lands Cole Anthony, he’s the best guard prospect at Duke since...Austin Rivers (sigh) or Kyrie Irving??
Eh. RJ and Cam are Wings, more than guards, imo. I know there is a lot of overlap, between SG and SF, but I get you.
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Best lead guard since Kyrie. Maybe better than him, I think Cole is not as good a ball handler, but that he's better at overwhelming defenses. I think Cole is a better three point shooter (at the same stage), but that Kyrie was a better scorer, if that makes sense. Kyrie could pull up for a J and bury it, in ways that Cole can't.
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Kyrie was a special talent on O. Cole might be close on O, but better on D, sooooo...........That. I guess.
According to Bossi and company at Rivals, Zona and Nova are the two leaders. If he comes to Duke, he will need to have some thick skin because opposing fans will see him as the new JJ or Grayson and just harass Mannion to no end.
Personally don’t see him ending up here, as I still think Anthony and RJ Hampton (he will reclassify as well) are the two primary targets followed by James.
I saw where Arizona high school pg has reclassified for 2019. He's supposed to be one of the top pg's out there and the article I saw is that Duke is after him. Anyone know much about him. He is the son of former Utah and NBA player Pace Mannion. Coach K has a knack for getting former basketball players kids. OFC
I have no inside information at all but I have heard that Duke has a very difficult time getting kids who play for the PSA Cardinals AAU program, which Anthony does. I do not know what the reason(s) would be or even who Duke has missed on in the past from PSA. I know that Andy Borman, related to Coach K by marriage, is a director of NY Rens which competes with PSA, but quite frankly I don’t know why there is this scuttle butt on the AAU circuit that Duke and PSA don’t do well together. Maybe someone else knows the scoop.
Mannion is the real deal, just got back from working with the Italian National team. He has dual citizenship. He will be at Zona I think. I have only seen some video but he would be right behind Cole as a top point guard in 2019 class. It appears that the coaches for Duke have not been at Anthony’s games as much as some others. He is a combo guard, but can play the lead guard role very effectively as Team USA action showed. I just hope he doesn’t go to UNC with Bacot.
Josiah James to cut his list to five soon, by August.
Cole is gonna wait until Spring I believe and has been uber tight lipped about recruitment
Mannion is the real deal, just got back from working with the Italian National team. He has dual citizenship. He will be at Zona I think. I have only seen some video but he would be right behind Cole as a top point guard in 2019 class. It appears that the coaches for Duke have not been at Anthony’s games as much as some others. He is a combo guard, but can play the lead guard role very effectively as Team USA action showed. I just hope he doesn’t go to UNC with Bacot.
Josiah James to cut his list to five soon, by August.
Cole is gonna wait until Spring I believe and has been uber tight lipped about recruitment