8-5 and finishing 4th in the West is a bad season for Auburn. Then following it up with a 3-9 and 0-8 in SEC is a shittastic season with a bunch of turmoil equals fired.
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8-5 and finishing 4th in the West is a bad season for Auburn. Then following it up with a 3-9 and 0-8 in SEC is a shittastic season with a bunch of turmoil equals fired.
And you couldn't be more wrong. I wanted Cohen from day 1.
The last thing I wanted was Raffo. Cohen came in with some fire and passion. What we all wanted after Polk treated the players like boys. Even came in and ran some of them off that weren't fully committed to the team and it's direction. It's what we all wanted to see after Polk showed zero emotion in his latter years and claimed "that's baseball" for every downturn we had. 8 seasons is plenty to evaluate a body of work. We are near the bottom of every offensive category year in and year out. Starting pitching? Name me 3 quality SEC starters in Cohen's tenure not named Stratton. Tough one isn't it? Look at our style of play. Our base running is poor at best. And not just this year, it's a trend each year. We've recruited little to no power hitting. We consistently have issues putting players on the field that can hit it to the gaps. Each year, settling on a lineup seems like Chinese musical chairs. And player development is lacking. Seems to be a trend that seniors don't turn out to be the players we thought they'd turn out to be. And 87-119 speaks for itself. You're right. **** happens. But we've had a hell of a lot of **** happening. And I'll be here next season and face any music I have to if a miracle happens and Cohen turns this around. Hell, I hope he does. I just want to win, period.
The last thing I wanted was Raffo. Cohen came in with some fire and passion. What we all wanted after Polk treated the players like boys. Even came in and ran some of them off that weren't fully committed to the team and it's direction. It's what we all wanted to see after Polk showed zero emotion in his latter years and claimed "that's baseball" for every downturn we had. 8 seasons is plenty to evaluate a body of work. We are near the bottom of every offensive category year in and year out. Starting pitching? Name me 3 quality SEC starters in Cohen's tenure not named Stratton. Tough one isn't it? Look at our style of play. Our base running is poor at best. And not just this year, it's a trend each year. We've recruited little to no power hitting. We consistently have issues putting players on the field that can hit it to the gaps. Each year, settling on a lineup seems like Chinese musical chairs. And player development is lacking. Seems to be a trend that seniors don't turn out to be the players we thought they'd turn out to be. And 87-119 speaks for itself. You're right. **** happens. But we've had a hell of a lot of **** happening. And I'll be here next season and face any music I have to if a miracle happens and Cohen turns this around. Hell, I hope he does. I just want to win, period.
Nice ******** attempt at a redirect. You referenced it.
I have zero doubt -- that you're a moron.
Did you or did you not continually reference "the new baseballs" over the last two days? If you can't take people calling you out for posting full retard, don't post full retard.
I have zero doubt -- that you're a moron.
Again, I'm not calling for him to be fired. But I know that the drop-off from powerhouse to ********* cannot be blamed solely on new baseballs. Good lord you're dense.
To be fair to them, they haven't had much in the way of coaching or leadership. But even if they win a national title next year, they're still a big part of the reason (not THE reason) that we suck this year. Very little production through 2 years from what was a pretty hyped class.
Yeah -- that is the only issue I've referenced over the last two days**
Straw man, then call someone an idiot and deflecting when they refuse to defend a singular position they didn't take. You got me1!1!1
You are hung up on a single one of about a dozen issues with this team I've discussed in the last two days. And a position that was spelled out for you with an "obviously it is not the only problem here" two whole posts ago in this very thread. Yet I'm the dense one!1!!!1 That dumbass engie thinks the balls are our only problem!!1!1! Whatever you've got to tell yourself to simplify it to a straw man level you can understand.
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Seriously, learn to reply. You look like you have tourettes to everyone in
threaded view. At least you include the quote you're replying to
threaded view. At least you include the quote you're replying to
That's probably because you spend 80% of your posts harping on that one issue, then casually mention that there are other problems with this baseball program that have nothing at all to do with the new baseballs.
So if they carry us deep next year -- Cohen and Butch are idiots for not getting more out of them sooner?
I can't help you understand what has gone on with that class. 4 of the 5 most hyped and elite signees have missed large, critical parts of their growing/maturing process with injuries. Sexton being the only one that hasn't. And in case you haven't noticed, he's about 4 mistake pitches per game away from being an elite Friday night guy.
Hump - missed all last summer with injury
Young - blew out his arm first semester here
Hudson - missed all last summer with injury
Collins - had a surgery right before the season that has a long history of killing guys' production for a full season even though they can play on it relatively quickly
Or join the modern world and don't read in threaded view. Better yet -- fix something that's been broken since day 1. Thanks for the tutorial giving the exact way to reply you are bitching about though.
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Go ahead and link up that 80% for me. Just made that **** up too. I've spent about 3 of several dozen posts on the matter of our issues as a team on it. And it would have been less had it not been straw manned to death seeking faux clarification.
Well, it's pretty much the whole first page of the message board. You've done a lot more excuse making for Cohen than you have blaming him for the situation we're in. When the fact is, it's ALL on him. Even not being ready for the new baseballs. Somehow all the other coaches seem to have gotten their teams ready for it.
So you have no problem counting specifically then? Of course you do because it tells a vastly different story than you are trying to roll with.
One of these days I'll find someone that debates what I actually say. I've laid it all on Cohen no less than 2 times in this very thread. But that is inconvenient for your argument against me -- so you ignore it.
You notice how you're alone in this?
Maybe the problem isn't with the rest of this messageboard. Maybe the problem is with you. You keep using the words "straw man," but I'm not entirely sure you actually know what that means or how to use it in a sentence properly. It's not a straw man if I'm repeating what you've said ad nauseum.
Doesn't sound that much different than the last 3 years of MSU baseball: a title run followed by a mediocre season and then a dumpster fire.
I can only think of two off the top of my head
Graveman and Mitchell. I agree about the hitting. We don't have a good approach at the plate and that needs to change as does our base running. Which I think firing Mingione would solve the base running issues. I'm just as frustrated as everyone else, but I haven't lost all faith because I see players developing. I've seen pitchers like stratton, graveman, Lindgren, Bracewell, and Girodo that became dominant pitchers before they left. Some people where scared of losing Thompson now they talk about firing him. We have had hitters improve tremendously. Hell Robson couldn't hit a baseball through a wet paper towel and now he's hitting over .300 this year. We have been to 4 straight post seasons before this season. All I'm saying is let's see if we can bounce back next season before we tar and feather Cohen and run him out of town. There are some guys that can turn the corner like stratton, Renfroe, graveman and Frazier did. If they do, we will have a successful season next year. They don't, then I'll be on the front lines to help move Cohen out.
Graveman and Mitchell. I agree about the hitting. We don't have a good approach at the plate and that needs to change as does our base running. Which I think firing Mingione would solve the base running issues. I'm just as frustrated as everyone else, but I haven't lost all faith because I see players developing. I've seen pitchers like stratton, graveman, Lindgren, Bracewell, and Girodo that became dominant pitchers before they left. Some people where scared of losing Thompson now they talk about firing him. We have had hitters improve tremendously. Hell Robson couldn't hit a baseball through a wet paper towel and now he's hitting over .300 this year. We have been to 4 straight post seasons before this season. All I'm saying is let's see if we can bounce back next season before we tar and feather Cohen and run him out of town. There are some guys that can turn the corner like stratton, Renfroe, graveman and Frazier did. If they do, we will have a successful season next year. They don't, then I'll be on the front lines to help move Cohen out.
Identify the Coach Killers- Part II.
I said essentially the same thing during the 2013 football season when the “Coach Killers” came after Coach Mullen. But it may help some to repeat it.
In most organizations there are pathological antagonists who lurk to make beachhead attacks upon the leadership. In sports, these "coach killers" are usually insecure, mean-spirited people. And it makes them feel better to target for elimination a coach by any means possible. In contrast, passive, unsuspectingfans sit by and carelessly allow this "murder" of their coach’s career.
I am not saying coach killers should not be allowed to speak. They will anyway. But identifying these antagonists for what they are doing is the primary way to prevent the destruction of a coach’s career. So be ready for their posts for what they really are. They pop up whenever there is anything negative totalk about.
There may be a time in the future where Cohen should be fired. I am not saying that he has not made mistakes. Cohen can be abrasive. So can Mullen. But so far, we are lucky to have them both. Ron Polk left him a program with little talent. After increasing the talent level, he then takes us to the college world series and a regional.
State and Cohen need our 100% support now. Go Dogs.
I said essentially the same thing during the 2013 football season when the “Coach Killers” came after Coach Mullen. But it may help some to repeat it.
In most organizations there are pathological antagonists who lurk to make beachhead attacks upon the leadership. In sports, these "coach killers" are usually insecure, mean-spirited people. And it makes them feel better to target for elimination a coach by any means possible. In contrast, passive, unsuspectingfans sit by and carelessly allow this "murder" of their coach’s career.
I am not saying coach killers should not be allowed to speak. They will anyway. But identifying these antagonists for what they are doing is the primary way to prevent the destruction of a coach’s career. So be ready for their posts for what they really are. They pop up whenever there is anything negative totalk about.
There may be a time in the future where Cohen should be fired. I am not saying that he has not made mistakes. Cohen can be abrasive. So can Mullen. But so far, we are lucky to have them both. Ron Polk left him a program with little talent. After increasing the talent level, he then takes us to the college world series and a regional.
State and Cohen need our 100% support now. Go Dogs.
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So make the bet. Let's put our money with DS.
$500
Host a SR in 2016, 2017 or 2018
we don't host my $500 goes to your BDC account
we do host your $500 goes to my BDC account
When DS says he has yours, I'll send mine. After all, I already have the moniker below my name.
$500
Host a SR in 2016, 2017 or 2018
we don't host my $500 goes to your BDC account
we do host your $500 goes to my BDC account
When DS says he has yours, I'll send mine. After all, I already have the moniker below my name.
To be fair, people are asking why Cohen has had more trouble adjusting to the rule changes than other coaches. And the answer is that he had fine tuned his team more for the lack of offense than other teams. Clearly you don't get a cluster 17 like this season without more than one thing going wrong, but that's an issue (and a big one) that you can't really fault Cohen for. When he was in a crackerjack stadium, he played for homeruns. When he moved to Dudy Noble with offense killing bats and balls, he went extreme, building his teams for large parks and no offense. It was inevitable there were going to be more growing pains as his team was in transition from the extreme offense killing equipment version and the new equipment, since other teams hadn't optimized for the lack of offense the way he did.
That doesn't take a team from good to ****** by itself, but throw in a few key injuries, losing a key pitcher or two earlier than expected to the draft, having one of the most important parts of your team also be possibly the single player in the entire country most affected by the new balls, missing on some evaluations talent wise, missing on some evaluations grit/character wise, and then add in actual coaching flaws, and you get a perfect storm of shittiness.
Most of those issues are still on Cohen, but it's not like there is anything he's done that just makes you say, that guy can't be successful. He's made some mistakes that all coaches will make and deal with, but he's had everything go wrong at once while also trying to deal with a not very usual rule change. It sucks that we suck, but getting rid of Cohen at this point isn't going to help us.
The doom and gloom comes from the fact that we NEVER seem to get the breaks that other teams do. What is "home cooking" inside DNF? It doesn't exist even on our own field. Has Cohen pissed off every official to the point that we never get the calls?
We have lost a **** ton of games in which we were one out away or one hit away from pulling it out
My suprise was that Cohen has talked about the ball changes for the prior two seasons. He said the team was ready and prepared and he was drafting players that were ready. He wasnt prepared and dont know if he has the right guys coming in. I do wish people would lay off Rea. He's been a good player for us.
Oh nice, my own stalker. Bet's on.
And you do realize Cohen has to be the coach when this super regional host happens within the next 3 years right? And you've got your money saying he will accomplish something he's yet to do. This seems too easy and I sincerely feel bad about you losing money. But ok.
And you do realize Cohen has to be the coach when this super regional host happens within the next 3 years right? And you've got your money saying he will accomplish something he's yet to do. This seems too easy and I sincerely feel bad about you losing money. But ok.
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I make enough....
DS can you set something up? Phil contributes in my name if Cohen hosts a SR or makes the CWS in 2016, 2017 or 2018. I'll contribute in his name if he doesnt.
DS can you set something up? Phil contributes in my name if Cohen hosts a SR or makes the CWS in 2016, 2017 or 2018. I'll contribute in his name if he doesnt.
Rea has been a good player for us. Problem is that you need more from your big first baseman, especially since this team doesn't hit for power.
As for the rest of the debate in this thread, to blame all of this on baseballs is retarded. Engie and his flat earth society need to let that one go. There aren't many that want Cohen gone. But he is accountable for the **** show that we put out there this year. It's on him to fix it. This is a critical time in the program's history and we're saying that the team just couldn't adjust to new baseballs?