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1.) I referring to the crowd who is talking abt how we built it too small.
2.) I try to sell tickets regularly now. It’s very hit an miss.
3.) There is an avenue to sell and resell now. People rarely use it for some reason. I’m guessing part of that is the cost.
They aren’t going to expand the stadium and sell individual tickets. They are going to sell season tickets Bc apparently the demand dictates it.
2.) I try to sell tickets regularly now. It’s very hit an miss.
3.) There is an avenue to sell and resell now. People rarely use it for some reason. I’m guessing part of that is the cost.
They aren’t going to expand the stadium and sell individual tickets. They are going to sell season tickets Bc apparently the demand dictates it.
Well we know we should not expand chairbacks. Those are and should be based on season ticket sales. Beyond that, a ticket exchange is the only answer. Average Fan will not get a chairback unless it’s bought through the ticket exchange. And honestly this is only a problem during high demand games. Most times you can get a GA ticket and sit wherever you want. This is how I know that most of the people bitching have no real grasp on reality and can hardly function in public.
As far as Mr Average Fan, the only option is cheap seating somewhere. The LFL puts a real damper on that. If there is a reasonable idea I’m all years and I’d be willing to bet Cohen is too. Do we really want ugly bleachers again? Are we willing to cut down on the LFL so we can expand the area for Mr Average Fan who wants it all for $10? May as well let the Triple Crown Club be free for Mr Average
If you’re gonna act like you’re a national brand you need to have some seats for folks that don’t have season tickets, and it doesn’t need to be between poindexter, the president of sigma chi; and Mary Ashton, rush chairman for Kappa Delta.
If a dad wants to take his kids to a couple games he should be able to buy a seat for those games. It’s ridiculous to think that any non season ticket holder will just sit on the grass. Last year some poor college kid got soaked in sprite because surprisingly my 6 year old spilled his.
Cause and effect- told myself that night we won’t be back. Maybe I’m in the minority but I doubt it. There have to be more non season ticket holders than season ticket holders that wanna catch a couple games a year. Am I wrong? Maybe. I dunno.
If a dad wants to take his kids to a couple games he should be able to buy a seat for those games. It’s ridiculous to think that any non season ticket holder will just sit on the grass. Last year some poor college kid got soaked in sprite because surprisingly my 6 year old spilled his.
Cause and effect- told myself that night we won’t be back. Maybe I’m in the minority but I doubt it. There have to be more non season ticket holders than season ticket holders that wanna catch a couple games a year. Am I wrong? Maybe. I dunno.
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So us dumbasses should know that a GA ticket allows you to sit wherever you want? If you mean, besides the chair back seats and besides the left field lounge, then I agree. But I’m not really able to function in public like you. Probably due to my knowledge of how things actually are.
You can. You can get chairback seats on stubhub for $25-$30 for just about any game if you check a couple days before said game. For fri and sun games this weekend against a national power in OR State, you can get them for $22 each right now.
I'm in the minority, but I believe it's good to always have a little more demand than supply.
No no no he wants chairbacks for GA prices because kids and reasons
Of course he ignores where I ask about adding this cheap GA seating and where it might go
I've mentioned multiple places you can do that and multiple options for doing it. Y'all are so scared of having some open cheaper seats somewhere and so scared of the old bleachers that you refuse to see any option for actual cheaper seats in the stadium except for grass. Heaven forbid anyone make some critiques of the new dude.
I made a lot of good memories as a kid, then in high school, then in college, and as an adult sitting in those old bleachers watching Mississippi State baseball. Having the ability to go to games and not spend a fortune and just watch America's past time made me love Mississippi State baseball. Had those bleachers not existed my dad probably wouldn't have trekked us to as many games just to stand or sit in the grass with very limited room for three hours. I probably would have gone to fewer games in college if I had to stand most games I went to. I watched a lot of games sitting out there. Sitting out there didn't make me less of fan than the one sitting in row 5 spending lots of money on season tickets. One thing that has made the sport of baseball special was for the access for the common average fan that couldn't spend a lot of money or make 10 year commitments to go and sit at game.
We just have a few ******* fans who are season ticket holders that think they are smarter than anyone else and think that they are more important than any other fan. Those season ticket holders want it all to themselves and think they own Mississippi State baseball and anyone not willing to pay for season tickets should shut the hell up and not say anything. Never mind it's those fans that show up in droves in Omaha. They think they are the kings of the castle. Some of the Mississippi state baseball season ticket holders are a weird deal. Good for them though. At least it makes them feel important in life that they could do a 10 year commitment and have chairbacks in the new dude.
Everyone else that used to go sit in the bleachers every game should just be happy they are allowed to go in the new dude and be happy to stand or sit in the grass and kiss the asses of Cohen and the season ticket holder. That's how some of these season ticket holders act.
I'm happy that a good portion of our season ticket holders aren't like that and do understand. It's just some are just not what I would consider good ole down to earth Mississippi State folk. They kind of have an elitist attitude more befitting the neighbors to the north or to the east.
I made a lot of good memories as a kid, then in high school, then in college, and as an adult sitting in those old bleachers watching Mississippi State baseball. Having the ability to go to games and not spend a fortune and just watch America's past time made me love Mississippi State baseball. Had those bleachers not existed my dad probably wouldn't have trekked us to as many games just to stand or sit in the grass with very limited room for three hours. I probably would have gone to fewer games in college if I had to stand most games I went to. I watched a lot of games sitting out there. Sitting out there didn't make me less of fan than the one sitting in row 5 spending lots of money on season tickets. One thing that has made the sport of baseball special was for the access for the common average fan that couldn't spend a lot of money or make 10 year commitments to go and sit at game.
We just have a few ******* fans who are season ticket holders that think they are smarter than anyone else and think that they are more important than any other fan. Those season ticket holders want it all to themselves and think they own Mississippi State baseball and anyone not willing to pay for season tickets should shut the hell up and not say anything. Never mind it's those fans that show up in droves in Omaha. They think they are the kings of the castle. Some of the Mississippi state baseball season ticket holders are a weird deal. Good for them though. At least it makes them feel important in life that they could do a 10 year commitment and have chairbacks in the new dude.
Everyone else that used to go sit in the bleachers every game should just be happy they are allowed to go in the new dude and be happy to stand or sit in the grass and kiss the asses of Cohen and the season ticket holder. That's how some of these season ticket holders act.
I'm happy that a good portion of our season ticket holders aren't like that and do understand. It's just some are just not what I would consider good ole down to earth Mississippi State folk. They kind of have an elitist attitude more befitting the neighbors to the north or to the east.
Pretty much. If you attended any games at all, you'd know that on most Fridays and Sundays (and some Saturdays) that aren't SBW or postseason play, you can find an open chairback seats and most of the time multiple of them. If someone comes and you have to move? Oh the horror, you have to actually talk to them. Move to the next seat. If it's full? You stand for a few innings then find a seat. Oh the horror.
I'm not a season ticket holder (anymore). I couldn't afford the 10-year commitment either. You are acting like I'm not one of you.
Please, tell me some more about your GA seating?
You can buy a seat. You just don't want to pay extra for it. You want to pay $10.
The answer is a GA seating area, obviously. I'm just curious where you put it, with the LFL taking up the entire OF.
Texas A&M does this with upper deck in right field side just at a smaller scale than us. We could easily extend the upper deck and do that with more chairbacks then bleachers benches build in to the concrete structure that could be converted to chairbacks if the need arose. You also have have plenty of space behind right field lounges to build up to do that. You could do the same over left field over the concrete walk way with the right structuring. Tear out the berms and do season tickets chairbacks just like any other stadium that does that. Berms sound cool in concept but not when you have the demand we do. Berms work better in the outfield behind the wall but we have the lfl instead.
I agree on the berms, I think most fans would rather have seating than the grass, at least in LF.
Yeah. I mean TD ameritrade upperdecks are something to look at for options. There are ballparks all over America that have seating for 20k plus. It can be done. I don't understand how people think it can't be done at the dude to add Both additional season ticket chairbacks and cheaper seats. It's just never been done at the college level. Alex box has a ton of seating options. It's not as nice of quality as what we have but they put asses in seats. We have the lounge areas instead outfield bleachers, but there are plenty of spaces to put them.
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Couple of things here....
Yes, it can be done, but it's extremely ugly and there will be massive amounts of empty seats. That's why I think building chairbacks based on season ticket demand is a good thing, with an option for people to sit in the unused chairbacks. That said, we do still need a GA area.
I don't think we need to model anything after a stadium meant for 20K. LSU's GA seating is a big set of bleachers in the OF, which is easy for them because they do not have a LFL. Same with Arkansas and Ole Miss.
I was giving 20k as a for instance that you were saying there wasn't a place to do it. Our stadium only sits less than half of that. If other stadiums can build bigger with more seats than we can too. Nobody cares about empty seats down the line in outfield. More people care about empty seats between first base and third base those are the higher dollar seats. Yes I agree you dont grossly over build; however you don't grossly Under build like we did.
Yes I agree the lounge takes up usual ga seating area that LSU and Arkansas has. But I'm not saying change that because LFL is unique. However the plan of behind loung areas in right field and upper deck GA is a possibility. Or make the upper deck area a GA plus where it cost more than a berm or SRO.
Yes I agree the lounge takes up usual ga seating area that LSU and Arkansas has. But I'm not saying change that because LFL is unique. However the plan of behind loung areas in right field and upper deck GA is a possibility. Or make the upper deck area a GA plus where it cost more than a berm or SRO.
I’ll only respond to #1. We did under-build the new stadium. I don’t see how that’s some sort of controversial opinion. It’s absolutely irrefutable based on the data.
The old DNF had permanent seating for 7,100. 4,600 chairback / 2,500 bleacher. The new stadium has somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-500 more chairback / skybox seats, but nothing else.
The average attendance (tickets sold) for the last 5 years of the old stadium was 7,500-8,000 every single year. Our response to the issue of selling, on average, 500-1,000 more tickets per game than we had seats for in the stadium every single year was to build a stadium that has about 2,000 fewer permanent seats, unless you include the OF in which case it is still maybe 1,200 fewer seats. That’s assuming “seating” in the outfield of about 10 people per lounge, which from my experience is probably an overestimate. That makes it definitely underbuilt, by any possible measure.
All that being said, I don’t fault the university for their approach, which was to build a mid-size grandstand area on an infrastructure that was ready made for cheap and immediate modular expansion in the near future. There were a lot of moving parts with this thing. Ticket prices and commitments had to increase substantially to pay for it. The lounge payments went way up and the layouts changed quite a bit to where it’s not as easy to just pack people in there. There was no guarantee that fan retention in from the old ballpark crowd was going to be 100%, there’s no way to know how many walk-ups you are going to have until you just build it, and at some point you just run out of money. So, it makes sense that they took a conservative approach from a seating capacity standpoint that still allowed for future flexibility. Of course, fan retention (from season ticket holders anyway) still was near 100% and then some, and now we have the issue where we obviously underestimated the demand and need to make up for it by expanding, which we can and will do.
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Yes so back to my original point. They built a stadium based on demand. That demand was researched/calculated/etc for 2 plus years.
Now they are deciding to increase Bc demand ended up higher.
BEING BUILT TOO SMALL AND ADDING ON LATER IS BETTER THAN BEING BUILT TOO BIG.
Now they are deciding to increase Bc demand ended up higher.
BEING BUILT TOO SMALL AND ADDING ON LATER IS BETTER THAN BEING BUILT TOO BIG.
I made this argument at some point last year. My love of msu baseball came by sitting in the cheap seats. I grew up on the coast and still live there so every weekend was/ is out of the question. But my dad managed to bring me to a couple of series every year.
My fear is not for the present fans but on the massive amounts of children who would normally fall in love with MSU baseball sitting in the bleachers, that will not get the chance because it is extremely uncomfortable sitting in the grass/ carrying 3 lawn chairs for 2 miles.
My fear is not for the present fans but on the massive amounts of children who would normally fall in love with MSU baseball sitting in the bleachers, that will not get the chance because it is extremely uncomfortable sitting in the grass/ carrying 3 lawn chairs for 2 miles.
They didn't sell out until just before the first season, though. If we had the same demand 3 years earlier when we were planning the stadium, we probably would have built more. Still, that was a lot of money to require for seats so far ahead of time when the plans hadn't even been finalized.
Can someone explain to me why people who have LFL spots also have chairback seats? I was told that they have to have a chairback seat when they get the lounge spots. If I am wrong I apologize. I just don't understand why we have to have 5 thousand people sitting on berms with a thousand empty seats in chairbacks.
I’ve been beating this to death since the first time I stepped into the new stadium on the weekend we played Southern Miss. ITS NOT BIG ENOUGH!. We are alienating an entire section of our fan base by not providing enough general admission options. I have no idea if this will fix it or not, but it was a monumental mistake to not build it bigger. We are only going to grow and last year it was already time to add seats. There is actually room to expand the upper deck on both sides, and that might be a better option than eliminating the berms.
I doubt that's true. That would be stupid of us.
However, a lot of our fans do in fact purchase chairbacks then go sit in the lounge. I guess they have the disposable income.
It’s just like when we all built our own houses. I want this & that & the other thing. Then when you built again or for all those who ever wanted to build again, we say this time(or next time), I’ll do this, that, & the other thing. Needs always change or we as humans would always do something different to try & improve.
Same w/the Dude, it’s never gonna be perfect. It’s never gonna meet the needs of all its fanbase, so just enjoy what we have. We could build it over 1,000 times & we’d still do something different.
Fact of the matter is I’ve been attending all my life & never had a problem getting a chair back seat for a game. Was it always where I wanted to sit? NO! Was the tic price always what I wanted to pay? NO! But I’ve always been able to attend & have a seat. Many times mainly because we have the best fans in college baseball, I’ve been given free tics. Heck last season I just made a simple post on line if anyone had a tic to the season opener, I’d be glad to get it from them. That fan & her family not only provided me w/a tic to that game but gave me a chair back seat for the whole season! Wouldn’t let me pay them a dime but out of my gratitude, they received the nicest gold Cowbell I could afford as my gift to them for their Maroon & White kindness to me. They even invited me back to the Triple Crown Club one mid-week game and gave me a seat behind home plate!
So in this world of griping & complaining because we in America have it so much better than all the rest of the world w/all the liberties & freedoms we enjoy(Thank you women & men in uniform
), let’s just be thankful for the new Dude we have to enjoy, utilize it the best we can, enjoy the best fans & one of the best teams in college baseball, get up off your lazy Maroon & White duffs and work to find you some tics and attend w/the pride of knowing we have the best facility available in college baseball and remember there is only One who made ALL things perfect! The Dude ain’t ever gonna be perfect, but it’s ours to enjoy, let’s rejoice & be glad in that & HAILSTATE-OMADAWS FOREVER!
Same w/the Dude, it’s never gonna be perfect. It’s never gonna meet the needs of all its fanbase, so just enjoy what we have. We could build it over 1,000 times & we’d still do something different.
Fact of the matter is I’ve been attending all my life & never had a problem getting a chair back seat for a game. Was it always where I wanted to sit? NO! Was the tic price always what I wanted to pay? NO! But I’ve always been able to attend & have a seat. Many times mainly because we have the best fans in college baseball, I’ve been given free tics. Heck last season I just made a simple post on line if anyone had a tic to the season opener, I’d be glad to get it from them. That fan & her family not only provided me w/a tic to that game but gave me a chair back seat for the whole season! Wouldn’t let me pay them a dime but out of my gratitude, they received the nicest gold Cowbell I could afford as my gift to them for their Maroon & White kindness to me. They even invited me back to the Triple Crown Club one mid-week game and gave me a seat behind home plate!
So in this world of griping & complaining because we in America have it so much better than all the rest of the world w/all the liberties & freedoms we enjoy(Thank you women & men in uniform
), let’s just be thankful for the new Dude we have to enjoy, utilize it the best we can, enjoy the best fans & one of the best teams in college baseball, get up off your lazy Maroon & White duffs and work to find you some tics and attend w/the pride of knowing we have the best facility available in college baseball and remember there is only One who made ALL things perfect! The Dude ain’t ever gonna be perfect, but it’s ours to enjoy, let’s rejoice & be glad in that & HAILSTATE-OMADAWS FOREVER!
That's 100% wrong, all you have to buy is a General Admission seat after you pay your $2,000 for the LFL spot.
Visiting team families are usually the majority of their fans that show up. They have passes that they can come/go with at will. Their area is the last 1 or 2 sections down first baseline just past the dugout. I've talked to a few visiting fans that aren't family members and do travel and they do always ask about general seating almost every time. They don't typically know to bring chairs for the berms or what the seating situation is.
Was that generator already there and part of the reason we didn't tear down to dirt? It's always annoyed me a ton that we cheaped on that and left the original level because of the terrible viewing angles it would make with expansion some day. I loved the original drawings. I do love the new stadium, but knew it could be so much better.
I used to go sit in the stands and dream about rebuilding the stadium..and no matter what I knew to fix the sight lines.. you would have to remove the full stadium bowl.
It will be interesting to see what is proposed in the near future.
Here is what you are missing. The baseball seats would pay for themselves quickly. The other projects would be a cost only. Your comment implies if we have money, let's spend it elsewhere.