I don't know if calling offensive plays is a requirement of being a good college coach. I know many of the younger hot shot coaches do call their own plays and TO definitely did when he was the head coach of the Huskers. I think there are a lot who don't, too (Both Belichick and Saban are two pretty good coaches, and they don't). I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one because I do not like BOB at all. I think it comes from watching Hard Knocks the year they had his Texans team on that series. I just thought he was an ***. I guess I also thought he was a jerk when he coached Penn State. Anyway, I see him as another version of Bo. He tries to bully his point across to those who he perceives are challenging his actions.
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A bit unrelated, but when Mickey says, "You can't recruit as a lame duck coach" is that a possible signal that Coleman commits today to some other school besides NU?
I think BOB would take the job but it would take a money whip. That and some of the buyouts involved with other guys make me think that MJ has a better shot at this job than some people think.
Barring him winning at least 3 more, the only way Mickey gets the job is if we get no for an answer from Rhule and BOB.
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He didn't say exactly that you couldn't recruit them as a lame duck coach, but he did say, "You can't talk to them as a lame duck staff."
I'm not trying to invent something that doesn't exist, but saying you can't talk to them as a lame-duck staff isn't much different than saying, lame-duck coach.
Hopefully, Coleman will sign with NU with the understanding that Mickey will be here in one capacity or the other. (Remains to be seen).
Kids change their minds as they often do.
His point was you HAVE to recruit as if you’re going to be there. If you recruit like you’re not going to stick around you’re not going to be successful. As usual people are microanalyzing our coach’s words without thinking about the most logical meaning.
Right now everything points to Mickey being back in one way or another but most likely as an assistant. As Mickey said “this job deserves a national search”. That doesn’t mean that we’re going to have wholesale changes. I could see a guy like O’Brien coming in and keeping half of the current assistants.
Frost has been both an Offensive and Defensive coordinator
.2013-15 he was Oregons OC coordinator
Thanks. I think he’s been telling recruits he will be here one way or another. Anyway I feel good about getting Coleman, as long as Mickey is here.
Since none of us know what has actually been decided behind closed doors, I'll just offer an opinion since that's what this forum is all about.
It's like Raiola talking to a potential recruit. What he says has little bearing on what likely will happen when a head coach is announced, since some of the signs point to him being gone.
Granted, Mickey, possibly Applewhite, Busch, and maybe a couple of others could be retained. But, it's not a given.
It's not likely Busch would become the permanent DC, but since he took over the defense, Hill has been jettisoned to offense, Hartzog has been inserted and the secondary tackling has arguably been better.
Does that mean Busch is better than Fisher?
If Busch were given full-time duties as the Secondary coach, would the overall unit be better? I think so. May not mean he's better, he just does things differently.
Like you say dingle, a lot of this started with just getting them lined up and providing a workable scheme. Having 2 separate DB/S coaches has helped also.
I'll happily take Mickey as the head coach. I'll warm up to BOB if he is chosen, of course, Lane would be a welcome addition. If either BOB or Lane was the man, and if NU retained Mickey, Applewhite, and Busch and brought in some high-caliber, proven DC/OL/DL coaches I would be totally on board.
It won't fix the issue with Duvall, the lack of big-body talent on both sides of the ball, but coaching ability is a helluva start for a program reversal.
I've cooled on Aranda and Ruhle, and I've never been crazy about LL, Campbell, Fickell, Pederson, or any of the others.
Like everyone else, I'll just be glad to hear who the new head coach will be. Then I/we can start the process of offering our suggestions. LOL
Might be a long couple of months.
I have a long day of MMA action in store, so it's good NU has an off day.
It's funny how guys who were the toughest guys in their playing days turn into massive pussies when put into administrative or leadership positions. Scott Frost may be the toughest son of a ***** to ever play the qb position at any level. Yet when he gets here he endlessly coddles his players into mush. Barret Ruud was a heck of a linebacker in his playing days and could sniff out and attack the ball with the best of them. The linebackers we have now are the furthest thing from that.
The same thing applies to Trev Alberts. Guy was a complete stud as a linebacker. Now he's taking orders from outside boosters and is completely subservient to anyone above him even when he should have the expertise and gravitas by now to have some pull. I also don't think he's half the salesman Moos was in being able to pull in his top choice. Although they weren't successful, you have to give Moos some credit for bringing in top names. It appears Trev may not even be capable of this.
People should probably temper their expectations for this next coach and prepare to be disappointed. It doesn't sound like Trev has been very successful in garnering interest. We should thank our lucky stars if BoB is even considering us compared to some of the names I've heard.
There's no way BoB or Lane are coming here and being dictated 3 position coaches. Mickey would probably be retained, but the other two are much more questionable if not doubtful. I also don't get people's fascination with Busch. He's been underwhelming in both of his stops here and it was the same thing at LSU.
Good morning sunshine. I see the taste of pee in your Cheerios is fresh in your mouth this morning.
IF BOB is hired he would be ecstatic to keep our 3 most recent hires to continue recruiting while he finishes the year at Bama. It’s pretty damned easy for him to see how good those guys have been. I suspect Busch would probably go back to special teams but other than that any sane coach would want those guys to stay on board.
Beyond those 3 guys it’s tough to say but our DB and TE coaches are widely respected as well. It might be tough to keep those 2 even if a new head coach wanted to. It’s likely that Dawson would be gone if for no other reason than his apparent weakness in recruiting.
Sometimes I just read and shake my head.
I get the "we want a proven head coach" concept. What is that exactly, no one has been able to tell me. By most definitions, there are only a handful of thilose types out there and we aren't sniffing them.
Secondly, I read over and over, then we need to hire the best assistant coaches who can recruit. Again, that is an elite number and getting them to Lincoln no matter how much you "open the checkbook" isn't going to happen.
In some rare cases, we may get one of the best assistants but the expectations overall will not likely be met.
When the dust settles on all of this, some will be happy at the beginning from reading the hype articles like happened with Frost and Co only to give way to the reality of getting it done on the field. Just as with Frost, there will many who hailed him as the savior of the program only to say 5 years later, I never knew thee.
I get the "we want a proven head coach" concept. What is that exactly, no one has been able to tell me. By most definitions, there are only a handful of thilose types out there and we aren't sniffing them.
Secondly, I read over and over, then we need to hire the best assistant coaches who can recruit. Again, that is an elite number and getting them to Lincoln no matter how much you "open the checkbook" isn't going to happen.
In some rare cases, we may get one of the best assistants but the expectations overall will not likely be met.
When the dust settles on all of this, some will be happy at the beginning from reading the hype articles like happened with Frost and Co only to give way to the reality of getting it done on the field. Just as with Frost, there will many who hailed him as the savior of the program only to say 5 years later, I never knew thee.
This is interesting and I think you have a good point.
Something must switch/change for these people, maybe it is the paycheck or the position or having to support yourself/family.
I know for me, I am a huge ***** in my career, I do not rock the boat, I am a total 'yes man". I think it is just being scared of "getting in trouble" or something.
When Frost was hired, any 3 of his assistants that are in the same breath as Mickey, Applewhite, or Busch. Assistants make a tremendous difference.
Who is THE best DC in all of college football? I don't know, I imagine the top 5 are better than the 6th thru the 10th best. And so on. Athletes play a huge role in how good, or effective any position coach can be.
Venables was good at OU in his first go around even though he occasionally got lit up for 50 points by the good teams.
He goes to Clemson, is able to recruit entire DL's of 1st round draft picks and becomes an elite DC, and makes $2 million a year. For a few years, other than against a great Alabama team, you're not scoring on that defense.
Goes back to OU, and is now getting lit up like he's coaching at Rice. He's not the DC there, but for sure he is in charge of the defensive schemes.
Talent matters.
With Mario, Austin, Held, Dawson, Ruud, NU may have had some truly bad assistants. Troy Walters was good, but is he as good as Mickey? No question, Applewhite is levels above Held, and as far as QB coach, what can I say?
IF NU wanted to pay both the DC/OC $ 2 million a year, there would be some real coaching talent available, especially if they added some incentives for overall performance.
I think the top coaches, and the top OC/DC know who the top guys are that teach in college. You get one or two of those really top notch guys to sign with NU, next thing you know the light bulb goes off.
Hey, these guys are probably gonna be really good. They're recruiting well, I know head coach xyx is putting together a great staff, I might want to take a real close look.
Just an opinion Tru. Nothing more. Money makes the world go around.
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I'm starting to adjust to the idea of just letting Joseph have the HC position to see what he can do with a two or three year contract. If he is hired as HC he will be able to recruit some real talent from the south but time is running out for this recruiting cycle.
We have some really good talent in state this year but how long will they wait to see who Nebraska hires, not long in my opinion. Just hire Joseph and let him hire some new assistant coaches he wants and then let the chips fall where they may. jmo
We have some really good talent in state this year but how long will they wait to see who Nebraska hires, not long in my opinion. Just hire Joseph and let him hire some new assistant coaches he wants and then let the chips fall where they may. jmo
I feel like a 2 or 3 year contract is a bad idea. I know we are talking about millions of dollars difference, but we really need to commit to a path forward, and 2 or 3 year contracts don’t show the commitment needed in my opinion. No need to go cheap now.
Big time. I can’t imagine the contract would be less than 4 years. You can set the buyout at whatever you want, but a short term contract sends a bad message.
Well if you're going to give a longer term contract you better make sure the buyout is low. I don't know how others feel but I'm tired of Nebraska wasting big cash on all the buyouts over the last few years, it could be spent on other things for the program.
Not from the OC point, but the WR position he coached with JD and Stanley that both produced.
We would never even have the chance at competing with this mind set. Unfortunately it's going to take big money and hope whoever the coach is succeeds
And now the talk turns to the quality of the athletes which I did not bring up. Certainly, that isn't even a point that can be argued, the data suggests the top teams get the top talent or the other way around.
What I was stating was that there is constant clamoring for the best of, most successful, proven, use whatever term you want, in a coach and it simply will not happen. This just sets everyone up for disappointment later on. I would even go out on a limb and say that any HC will come in, hire his staff by selecting some people he knows very well, some he knows well and some come as a recommendation from that first group. Some won't work out which I expect.
Everyone was on Chins early on as his D was not good, then he had a better year last year that looked better than it was based on the prior years only to stink the field up this year. He went from cannon fodder to be fired to potential HC of our Huskers! What?
I like Mickey, I think he is great for the kids and that is where I come from a great deal having done that for many years of life in education. Does that make him a great HC? I have no clue but the two may or may not be connected. Aside from a few of the elite coaches, the proven that everyone clamors for but won't name, everyone will be a risk to a degree. How much risk do you want to take?
I thought about that but it goes both ways… if he’s bad, we will be thankful for the low buyout when we fire him. If he’s really good, other teams can entice him away potentially with a low buyout. I know we can restructure, but lowballing a coach can lead to hard feelings down the road. If TA thinks Joseph is the guy, then go all out for him. If not, go in a different direction. That’s what I think.
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All I know is if I don’t get my way, I’m gonna stop being a fan. Also gonna stop if they don’t wear the sports outfits I prefer.
Didn't read, but will later. Am watching MMA fights and shouldn't even be posting. LOL Look forward to answering this post after 3 pm or so. Thanks.
4 years minimum but with a modest base salary and buyout but huge graduated incentives for wins and bowl appearances.
I'm talking about Joseph who will not demand big money. I'm not talking about a high profile HC like Meyer or some of the other retreads people keep talking about on this site. Again offer Joseph a reasonable contract with a low buyout and lets see what he can do, certainly no worse than what we've seen with the past two coaches.
Joseph shows he's a no nonsense coach who is not afraid to make changes something our previous coaches didn't do. Joseph is a great recruiter, kids relate to him and he will bring in some decent talent from the south.
What do you think a recruit would expect to see in order to commit. I don’t know the answer but it seems like it would have to be 4 years. Thoughts?
Amazing and satisfying that a HC who is listed as interim can land a kid who is at the top of Nebraska's list. I think Mickey just might end up getting the HC job even if the team only wins a few more games at best. You allow Joseph a chance to load the team with talent and then let Mickey add a few very good assistants and he might just get this program going.
Probably 4. Some say 5 for recruiting. With the transfer rules now it probably isn’t as big of a deal as it used to be
Gundy likes to act like he is interested in other jobs just to get a pay raise.
Yeah, but that is smart!
For years he had that weirdo who was rich but not Huge Hefner but wanted to be Hef...calling the shots...so he played that dork like a fiddle, as we all would have.
Really think Mickey will be hired in the middle of the most important coaching search in Husker history? Assistant retained? Maybe. Head coach? Pretend he is not a former Husker and get real. He will not be the head coach. Nor should he. What the hell kind of **** are 80 percent of the posters on? This is go big or go home. With the previous track record that NU has, I will say, "Go Home". However, I might be surprised.