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Caliknight

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It’s pretty obvious if you watch enough football. Good coached teams don’t call timeouts to ice the kicker on a 60 yarder into the wind. Or give up 50 yard kick returns endlessly. Indiana hasn’t had a false start on a punt yet.
They also run the kicks and punts back for obvious reason. Some moron told Sxhiano that he gets better position fair catching everything and he was dumb enough to believe them.
 

Mikemarc

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They also run the kicks and punts back for obvious reason. Some moron told Sxhiano that he gets better position fair catching everything and he was dumb enough to believe them.

i truly don’t think it’s that.

I truly believe he’s scared sick of another Legrand injury and thus doesn’t wanna put the kids at risk. I’ve even heard rumors he won’t even do returns in practice.
 

Knight Shift

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i truly don’t think it’s that.

I truly believe he’s scared sick of another Legrand injury and thus doesn’t wanna put the kids at risk. I’ve even heard rumors he won’t even do returns in practice.
Thought he answered that question in the past year or so, and he said it was something about analytics and field position of no runback versus a fair catch on kickoff.
 

Caliknight

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i truly don’t think it’s that.

I truly believe he’s scared sick of another Legrand injury and thus doesn’t wanna put the kids at risk. I’ve even heard rumors he won’t even do returns in practice.
He said that’s why he does it. And if it’s what you say, that’s even worse. He’s paid a lot of money to win football games. If he’s afraid of the game, then he shouldn’t be coaching it.
 

Mikemarc

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Thought he answered that question in the past year or so, and he said it was something about analytics and field position of no runback versus a fair catch on kickoff.

he’s not going to say “I’m afraid of injury”. I don’t believe he’s dumb enough to believe this. What he said is coach speak
 
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Mikemarc

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He said that’s why he does it. And if it’s what you say, that’s even worse. He’s paid a lot of money to win football games. If he’s afraid of the game, then he shouldn’t be coaching it.

He wanted to get rid of kickoffs. Hes on record saying they’re too dangerous.

I don’t think the kickoff choices he makes are because of analytics.
 

BigEastPhil

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Can’t wait to see the resume of our Special Teams coach and his “ accomplishments / enhancements “ at Rutgers
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Phantom Clip

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The age of Indiana is a big factor. I saw their avg age is a little over 23 years old and that the Green Bay Packers roster average is 25 years old. I would rather have a 23-24 year old 3 star who has extensive game experience over a 18 year old 5 star with no college experience and is years away from hitting the "man strength" phase of life. Also, I love the 3 star with a chip on his shoulder.

But yes, coaching matters. Cignetti is maximizing the talent he has
 

Retired711

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He said that’s why he does it. And if it’s what you say, that’s even worse. He’s paid a lot of money to win football games. If he’s afraid of the game, then he shouldn’t be coaching it.
It's not often I agree with @Caliknight, but I do here. It might be good to live in a world in which all punts and kickoffs have to be fair caught (although that would make football *much* less exciting). But in a world without that rule, coaches need to be willing to do everything within the rules to help their teams win.
 

yesrutgers01

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It’s pretty obvious if you watch enough football. Good coached teams don’t call timeouts to ice the kicker on a 60 yarder into the wind. Or give up 50 yard kick returns endlessly. Indiana hasn’t had a false start on a punt yet.
by next year, it will be a 70 yd kick lol
 

yesrutgers01

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Anyway- Cigs is a great coach- no matter how you slice it...but you cannot use highschool ratings anymore on players. Look at how many 2 star players here at Rutgers became the equivalent of 4/5 star players by the time they reached the NFL. and now- we have kids that are even a year deeper into their college career and development. Imagine having a D McCourty(2 star) for only his 5th and 6th years in college. Or even someone like my own son if it were today and had a free 2020- a 5th and 6th year as a NR player.
 

kupuna133

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Anyway- Cigs is a great coach- no matter how you slice it...but you cannot use highschool ratings anymore on players. Look at how many 2 star players here at Rutgers became the equivalent of 4/5 star players by the time they reached the NFL. and now- we have kids that are even a year deeper into their college career and development. Imagine having a D McCourty(2 star) for only his 5th and 6th years in college. Or even someone like my own son if it were today and had a free 2020- a 5th and 6th year as a NR player.
100% agree. But that’s why they rerank and apply a new star rating to portal players.

 
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MADHAT1

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Agree- but too many people are still talking about the HS rank of 23-26 y/o adults still playing college football
the game has changed and looking at teams rosters now has to put players obtained by the portal in with HS talent when rating the incoming class.
RU's class of 2026 is a combination of HS talent ( paid & free) recruited and portal players bought and paid for.
 

Shelby65

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i truly don’t think it’s that.

I truly believe he’s scared sick of another Legrand injury and thus doesn’t wanna put the kids at risk. I’ve even heard rumors he won’t even do returns in practice.
Baloney. The farce is recent. And LeGrand happened on coverage, not return. That‘s more dangerous. Why doesn’t he have his special teams kick out of bounds every time? Just another example of stealing salary.

Regardless of the asinine reason, whether it‘s to spend more time practicing 2 yard passes to the TE or preferring longer drives to pad stats and rest the D for a few more seconds, it’s a disgrace. Would that fly at a university that aims high ?

And no one has ever asked him why. What a loser/sycophant press RU has.
 
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mdk02

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Anyway- Cigs is a great coach- no matter how you slice it...but you cannot use highschool ratings anymore on players. Look at how many 2 star players here at Rutgers became the equivalent of 4/5 star players by the time they reached the NFL. and now- we have kids that are even a year deeper into their college career and development. Imagine having a D McCourty(2 star) for only his 5th and 6th years in college. Or even someone like my own son if it were today and had a free 2020- a 5th and 6th year as a NR player.


IIRC both McCourtys were 2 stars. And wasn't Girault a 2 star as well?
 

Caliknight

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It's not often I agree with @Caliknight, but I do here. It might be good to live in a world in which all punts and kickoffs have to be fair caught (although that would make football *much* less exciting). But in a world without that rule, coaches need to be willing to do everything within the rules to help their teams win.
It’s sending by a horrible message to the team, that’s for sure. Cutting off the highest potential for juice plays because you are scared is grounds enough to fire him. If that’s true, it’s the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard in sport.
 
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Phantom Clip

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IIRC both McCourtys were 2 stars. And wasn't Girault a 2 star as well?
Pretty sure you are correct. Brian Leonard was a 2 star line backer. I think Deveraun Thompson was 2 star. You could recruit tough kids with big hearts and strong work ethic who were under the radar and develop them. You can't do it anymore. Now you develop them and they leave.
 

Shelby65

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It’s sending by a horrible message to the team, that’s for sure. Cutting off the highest potential for juice plays because you are scared is grounds enough to fire him. If that’s true, it’s the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard in sport.
Not sure Shelby agrees. ND bailing on the bowl game over not being chosen for the playoff might be more pathetic. Let’s call it a tie.
 

yesrutgers01

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Pretty sure you are correct. Brian Leonard was a 2 star line backer. I think Deveraun Thompson was 2 star. You could recruit tough kids with big hearts and strong work ethic who were under the radar and develop them. You can't do it anymore. Now you develop them and they leave.
That is my point- we have had so many 2 stars that have made the NFL- so, in reality, those kids were actually high 4 star players by the time they were in their last year or two. And these are the type of 2 star kids that the transfer portal allows you to take from the team that developed them. So- to say that someone is winning with 2 star players that they got from the portal, is very untrue...
 

Bueller

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It's not often I agree with @Caliknight, but I do here. It might be good to live in a world in which all punts and kickoffs have to be fair caught (although that would make football *much* less exciting). But in a world without that rule, coaches need to be willing to do everything within the rules to help their teams win.

Even LeGrande doesn't blame the play. He knows he did something dangerous and that was putting his head down (like Dennis Byrd). Coaches are supposed to teach not to do that but players do it a lot because coaches in HS and college assume that players were already taught in youth leagues and JV. Many times nobody taught them. If Schiano wants a soapbox it should be about proper coaching and not single plays.


" I ran downfield after a kickoff and collided with the returner, Malcolm Brown. I hit him pretty good -- I learned later that he broke his collarbone on the play. But I tucked my head...

People have asked me about whether my injury makes me rethink football and how dangerous it is. My answer: not at all. No hard feelings, football. I don't think kickoffs should be eliminated or changed either. Before this, I had never had a serious injury. Think of how many kickoffs there were in college football and how few get paralyzed. It was just a freak accident."