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LXA_chop

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Regardless of coaching, would this hypothetical roster be good in your opinion? This is the assumption those that have been linked with NBA leave and those we have been rumored to get come here.

Pippin Jr
Cason
CJ
Baldwin Jr
Toppin
Fardaws
Livingston
Wheeler
Hopkins
Collins
Ware
Allen
Keion
 

HerrosHeroes

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Regardless of coaching, would this hypothetical roster be good in your opinion? This is the assumption those that have been linked with NBA leave and those we have been rumored to get come here.

Pippin Jr
Cason
CJ
Baldwin Jr
Toppin
Fardaws
Livingston
Wheeler
Hopkins
Collins
Ware
Allen
Keion
Thats a FF team.
 

meeks66

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Any roster with Wheeler and Keion on it is average at best because better players will be sitting behind them regardless. Always thought Cal was the perfect coach for us but I just can’t understand why year after year he refuses to put the best talent on the floor. Makes no sense.
 
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yoshukai

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Regardless of coaching, would this hypothetical roster be good in your opinion? This is the assumption those that have been linked with NBA leave and those we have been rumored to get come here.

Pippin Jr
Cason
CJ
Baldwin Jr
Toppin
Fardaws
Livingston
Wheeler
Hopkins
Collins
Ware
Allen
Keion
There is no way in hell Keion, Collins,Toppin,Allen,Baldwin , and Hopkins would all be here but, not enough talent to overcome Cals coaching deficiencies anyway. He’s proven he needs multiple lottery picks .
 
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It would be Sweet 16 to maybe E8 good.

I hate to be nitpicky, but the mix of first and last names, especially of guys who haven't played for us yet took me a minute to figure out (Cason = Wallace, CJ = Fredrick, Fardaws = Aimaq).

I would like to add 1 good 3pt shooter (transfer) in to that group, especially given we don't know how healthy Fredrick will be. And odds are someone will either transfer or go play overseas (out of Brooks, Hopkins, Allen, Ware) to make room.

But if that were our team, I think our best player would be Collins, as I expect a big step up from him (after correctly predicting not much from him this year). Not clear who or how many our "Go-To" guy(s) would be out of that group.
 

Wunky

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Any roster with Wheeler and Keion on it is average at best because better players will be sitting behind them regardless. Always thought Cal was the perfect coach for us but I just can’t understand why year after year he refuses to put the best talent on the floor. Makes no sense.

Could not agree more. I hope Wheeler and Brooks are both gone next year. Actually what I really hope is that they’d be willing to accept minor roles for the good of the team, but we all know that’s not gonna happen. And as you said, Cal wouldn’t even suggest that to them because he doesn’t want to take their heart away. It’s a joke. Neither one of those guys can play major minutes on a team with FF/title aspirations and anyone who knows high level college basketball knows that.
 

Jmeeks54thebest

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Cal would need Oscar and Sharpe to replace the weakest players at their position on that list to make me a believer. He’s become such a lazy coach that he need that much talent and experience to win.

Where did UMASS/Memphis Cal go? Sanctions aside he didn’t have the crazy amount talent he’s had here (aside from notable standouts such as Camby, Rose, Evans, etc). Yet he coached his bench and built really good teams. I just can’t fathom how such a young and hungry coach became so lazy.

I hate Rick Pitino. And I never use the word hate. But Cal really looked like the second coming of Rick coaching wise. Yet Rick’s ability to coach and adapt didn’t fall off. Only his morals did (assuming he did, in fact, have them to begin with).
 

FinalF

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That team gets pushed around…keep Oscar and now you’re talking. It would also need one more proven shooter IMO.
 

dc513

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Regardless of coaching, would this hypothetical roster be good in your opinion? This is the assumption those that have been linked with NBA leave and those we have been rumored to get come here.

Pippin Jr
Cason
CJ
Baldwin Jr
Toppin
Fardaws
Livingston
Wheeler
Hopkins
Collins
Ware
Allen
Keion
Allen gone.
 

March 22

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Not enough overwhelming talent to overcome the lack of xxxxxxxx. (following the rules).
 

TheDude73

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Jan 7, 2006
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Cal would need Oscar and Sharpe to replace the weakest players at their position on that list to make me a believer. He’s become such a lazy coach that he need that much talent and experience to win.

Where did UMASS/Memphis Cal go? Sanctions aside he didn’t have the crazy amount talent he’s had here (aside from notable standouts such as Camby, Rose, Evans, etc). Yet he coached his bench and built really good teams. I just can’t fathom how such a young and hungry coach became so lazy.

I hate Rick Pitino. And I never use the word hate. But Cal really looked like the second coming of Rick coaching wise. Yet Rick’s ability to coach and adapt didn’t fall off. Only his morals did (assuming he did, in fact, have them to begin with).
Given that none of us have likely ever held a job anywhere near the pressure cooker of a $9 million salary at the most storied college basketball school in the USA, with the most rabid, high-expectation (some would say entitled) fans, who the heck knows what happens to someone's psyche/brain after 10 years. I've experienced burnout in my basic old six-figure engineering career, several times, and there's really no way to explain it to someone that claims to have never had it happen to them.

Sometimes people just burn out, and maybe that's what's going on. It took me 3 years and a bad review in one job I held to even realize I was burned out. I quit, took 2 months off to refresh, and then made it another 5-6 years before another burnout hit. At least the second time I recognized it and took a month off to regroup.

My point - it's tough for anyone, especially alpha males, to recognize when they've hit a wall and need to either take a break, or move on. Having outsiders badger or berate them doesn't make them suddenly wise up and see the light - they need a real defining moment to get them to recognize it on their own.


(queue the big boys claiming "burnout" is a sign of weakness and that they've never had a day of "lazy" in their entire lives...)
 
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Jmeeks54thebest

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Given that none of us have likely ever held a job anywhere near the pressure cooker of a $9 million salary at the most storied college basketball school in the USA, with the most rabid, high-expectation (some would say entitled) fans, who the heck knows what happens to someone's psyche/brain after 10 years. I've experienced burnout in my basic old six-figure engineering career, several times, and there's really no way to explain it to someone that claims to have never had it happen to them.

Sometimes people just burn out, and maybe that's what's going on. It took me 3 years and a bad review in one job I held to even realize I was burned out. I quit, took 2 months off to refresh, and then made it another 5-6 years before another burnout hit. At least the second time I recognized it and took a month off to regroup.

My point - it's tough for anyone, especially alpha males, to recognize when they've hit a wall and need to either take a break, or move on. Having outsiders badger or berate them doesn't make them suddenly wise up and see the light - they need a real defining moment to get them to recognize it on their own.


(queue the big boys claiming "burnout" is a sign of weakness and that they've never had a day of "lazy" in their entire lives...)
I wouldn’t necessarily equate salary size with job pressure, but I get what you’re saying. Idc if people call us entitled. Like idc if people call us racist. Those words have no meaning anymore are a very overused.

When you have the highest paid coach in the sport, then I think it’s reasonable for expectations to be high. I think when you real in the talent Cal has, it’s reasonable for the expectations to be high.

If Cal has burnt out, and I suspect he has as well, then he needs to step down. I haven’t found it hard to realize when I’m burnt out in my own life so I can’t quite relate to not being able to recognize it. But even if he did recognize it, he’s got a lifetime contract full of millions to keep him going through the motions.

If he hasn’t burnt out, and he’s just had some bad seasons, then he has got to hit this off season out of the park. He’s got to build up the relationship with the fans again. He’s got to figure out NIL for Oscar and get Shaedon back. I don’t think either happen, but when you keep digging your hole it gets more difficult to climb out.

And he has been digging for quite a long time in my eyes.