Coach suspended after beating a team 161-2.....

[thekimmer]

I think punishment was warranted. Team scored 104 points in the first half leaving the starters in playing a full-court trap the entire half! They backed off in the second half playing the bench and only using a half-court trap (what sportsmen).

Shouldn't school officials, refs, the other coach bear some responsibility too?

The other thing though is how in the world is it possible to have that much of a talent differential?

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[QuadrupleOption]

I think some punishment was warranted. Team scored 104 points in the first half leaving the starters in.

Shouldn't school officials, refs, the other coach bear some responsibility too?

The other thing though is how in the world is it possible to have that much of a talent differential?

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No. It's ridiculous that he's being punished because the other team is completely ******. He sat his starters at halftime and put his backups in the game. He also imposed a 23 second wait before launching a shot against the other team.

What was he supposed to do - tell his girls to sit down while the other team had the ball?

The other team's coach should have been fired for that shittastic performance.

 

[YardBarker]

It's the other team's responsibility to stop them from scoring. Unless they were playing a bunch of mentally or physically challenged kids then I don't see anything wrong. It's horseshit that he's being reprimanded.

 

[AlCoDog]

The pussification of America. They probably have invited the losing team to the White House to receive participation medals.

 

[FlotownDawg]

That coach deserves the suspension

When you're up 104-1 at halftime, you don't call for a half court trap the whole second half. That's what is horse ****. These aren't pro or college athletes. They are high school girls, who are playing because they love basketball. They don't deserve to be embarrassed like that. I don't mind playing all out in the first half, but when you're up huge at halftime, you back off on defense and don't run a freaking half court trap.

 

[patdog]

In this case, yes. That game should have never been scheduled. But at some point, you really should call off the dogs. Running half-court traps against a clearly outmanned team when your up by 100 is ridiculous.

 

[aTotal360]

Hell, I'll put blame on the losing team's coach for not growing some balls and confronting the other coach about pressing/trapping in the 2nd half.

 

[msstate7]

Why didn't the losing team just forfeit at the half? Don't be mad bc the winning team didn't quit at the half imo

 

[johnson86-1]

When you're up 104-1 at halftime, you don't call for a half court trap the whole second half. That's what is horse ****. These aren't pro or college athletes. They are high school girls, who are playing because they love basketball. They don't deserve to be embarrassed like that. I don't mind playing all out in the first half, but when you're up huge at halftime, you back off on defense and don't run a freaking half court trap.

SO backups don't get to have real practice time? He should be embarrassed that he kept his starters in for an entire half, but probably not suspended. Playing a team that outmatched does nothing for either team. Let your starters run your offense and defense for a little while, and then let your second team run your offense and defense for a little while, but if the opposing team can't even score on the second team, the real problem is you shouldn't be playing the game. Clear your bench and be content to not play a game that woudl allow your first and second string to develop any bad habits against competition from a lower league.

 

[FlotownDawg]

I'm so tired of hearing this phrase. If the "pussification of America" means not humiliating high school girls that are clearly outmatched talent wise in a basketball game by continuing to run a half court trap when you're up 130 points, then I'm all for it. I coach my daughter in youth soccer. I had a really good player on my team who scored most of the goals last season. There was a game where he scored four goals in the first half and we were up 5-0 at halftime. I put him in goal in the second half so he couldn't score anymore and the game ended up 5-1. I suppose I should have kept him in at forward, had him score four or five more goals and win 11 or 12-0. When the parents for the other team complain, I'll just say "Pussification of America! Your son or daughter should be more talented. HAHA." That will go over well.

 

[Digging dog]

Spurrier would have said "It wasn't my job to stop my team"*****

 

[BulldogBlitz]

i seem to recall our ladies being beaten by georgia while i was in school to the tune of 112 to 32 (or somewhere close)

 

[olblue.sixpack]

I'm so tired of hearing this phrase. If the "pussification of America" means not humiliating high school girls that are clearly outmatched talent wise in a basketball game by continuing to run a half court trap when you're up 130 points, then I'm all for it. I coach my daughter in youth soccer. I had a really good player on my team who scored most of the goals last season. There was a game where he scored four goals in the first half and we were up 5-0 at halftime. I put him in goal in the second half so he couldn't score anymore and the game ended up 5-1. I suppose I should have kept him in at forward, had him score four or five more goals and win 11 or 12-0. When the parents for the other team complain, I'll just say "Pussification of America! Your son or daughter should be more talented. HAHA." That will go over well.

Good post.

It seems like every youth sports league in America has at least one idiot coach that you don't want your child playing for. Usually someone who if you ask around, was quite average as a player but has somehow become a legend in his on mind. Just Win Big Baby!

i think we can tell by the responses in this thread those posters who fit that profile.

 

[AlCoDog]

First of all, you're talking about co-Ed youth soccer so what are the kids, 4 or 5?

The coach put in the bench, and made them take 23 seconds off before shooting. What else was he supposed to do? No problem with letting the bench run their regular defense. What should have happened is the refs should have called the damn game at half time. I doubt there would have been much protest.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

i don't think the game is the "pussification of 'Merica". certainly don't think calling off the dogs is pussification either.

seems that penalizing the winning team/coach IS the issue. other than putting in the girls that enjoy discussing hair on the end of the bench and backing off the press, not really sure what this coach could have done. high school girls sports can be really bad hit or miss.

 

[FlotownDawg]

The kids were ages 7-9. And it doesn't matter that the coach put in the bench, because the bench is still infinitely more talented than everyone on the other team. Why not just sag back into a zone defense and at least let the other team get a shot, instead of trapping and trying to force turnovers when you're up well over 100 points? That's my problem with the guy. You have to play the game out, but there's a right way to do it. And trapping and pressing when you're up 103 points at halftime is ridiculous. Parents and coaches for the losing team have every right to be pissed.

 

[AlCoDog]

Good grief. I coach my kids in baseball, basketball, and soccer and I stress sportsmanship. I don't coach because I am a legend in my own mind, but because it gives me a chance to be involved with my kids and their interests. We've had our asses kicked plenty. Sounds to me like based on the posts in this thread, it's easy to tell who the overly sensitive hall monitors are.

 

[patdog]

What else was he supposed to do?

How about not having them 17ing full-court press and half-court trap a team that's so clearly outmanned? It's one thing to win by a large margin, but this is borderline beating up on the disabled.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

i'm thinking... as a coach, you want ALL players on your team to do their best. should he have told players 10-15 who he put in the game ... hey, it'd be really sweet if you just dribbled around like you were retarded and threw the ball into the popcorn stand each time down the court.

 

[codeDawg]

Why didn't the losing team just forfeit at the half? Don't be mad bc the winning team didn't quit at the half imo

To get here, everybody involved did a ****** thing. The losing coach should have forfeited. There's absolutely no reason to subject your own team to humiliation like that. The refs should have called the game at the half, or at least made the coaches have a conversation about it.

The winning coach is an ******* for running anything but a stand around defense once they got up by 50. This is high school. One great sports lesson is give relentless effort, the other one is to have mercy on those who are clearly weaker than you. At a certain point you move from dominating a worthy opponent to shaming a weaker one.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Parents and coaches for the losing team have every right to be pissed.

be pissed then. why seek punishment though?

 

[AlCoDog]

Ok people, the pussification of America comment was tongue in cheek. I really don't expectvthe losing team to get invited to the White House either.

How about this, if State were beating USM 40-0 at half, when we put the bench in would you like to see the sit back in a prevent or play our regular defense so they are getting legitimate reps and experience?

 

[AlCoDog]

Maybe that is the only style of defense they play?

 

[patdog]

I'm pretty sure they could have managed a 2-3 zone after they were up by 80.

 

[FlotownDawg]

There's a big difference in college and high school sports. First of all, in college you're never going to have two teams so mismatched that someone would beat the other 161-2. Secondly, college players are on scholarship, so they're receiving some sort of incentive for playing. Thirdly, they are older and more mature, and can handle a beatdown better. These high school girls are only playing because they enjoy basketball, with no other incentive. There is no reason to subject a bunch of girls ages 14-17 who will never again play organized basketball after they graduate, to that kind of embarrassment. And also, as a player for the winning team, do you really feel good about yourself pressing and trapping and forcing turnover after turnover against a clearly weaker opponent, just so you can get another uncontested layup that puts you up by 140 points? I'd be embarrassed as a player to play the game that way.

 

[AlCoDog]

I think the losing team should fire their coach and hire you.

Or hire me. I was a legend in girl's basketball in my neighborhood growing up. A 17ing legend!

 

[thekimmer]

I kinda doubt any meaningful practice was going on........

....for either the first or second team. Playing pressure defense in an over-match like that doesn't help the good team much at all. It also explains why the other team only scored 2. They probably only shot the ball 5 or 6 times. This has nothing to do with wussification. It is called SPORTSMANSHIP. Once the game is out of hand score as much as you want but call off the dogs on defense.

Lastly let me apologize to the first couple of posters because my initial post didn't include the fact that the team trapped the entire game and that might have affected their response. I updated it after I read a better account of the game.

 

[FlotownDawg]

I'm not saying the bench players should not try or play like a retard. How about just playing a standard zone defense and not pressing every possession when you're up by 100 points? They can continue to run their standard offense. If they had backed off the press and played zone while playing the rest of their game the same way, I wouldn't have a problem with it. There's only so much you can do to keep from blowing a horrible team out, but you should try to do all you can. And pressing when up 100 points at halftime is something you should NEVER do.

 

[AlCoDog]

If I were on the losing team I would also be embarrassed if the other team was just standing there and letting me shoot, but that's just me. I doubt that is the first or last embarrassing margin of victory for that team.

I have no idea how the players on the winning team felt. I've never been on a team up by 100 points. I doubt they felt satisfaction. They were probably wondering why they were even having to play a 2nd half.

 

[AlCoDog]

I agree with this post. The winning coach is an *******, but he wasn't the only reason this happened. He shouldn't be suspended over it.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Good grief. I coach my kids in baseball, basketball, and soccer and I stress sportsmanship. I don't coach because I am a legend in my own mind, but because it gives me a chance to be involved with my kids and their interests. We've had our asses kicked plenty. Sounds to me like based on the posts in this thread, it's easy to tell who the overly sensitive hall monitors are.

Another trait I've noticed in coaches of that ilk is denial.

 

[patdog]

You're comparing apples to oranges. Our backups would actually get some meaningful game experience playing against USM's starters, or even their backups. These are scholarship Division I-A athletes we're talking about on both sides of the ball. When the mismatch is so bad the score is 161-2, there's nothing to be accomplished other than letting one team bully a bunch of helpless girls unmercifully. I play tennis and I enjoy winning 6-2, 6-1 as much as the next guy (not nearly often enough though). But if I'm playing someone I can beat 6-0, 6-0, that's just a wasted match for everyone involved. I certainly don't get any feeling of accomplishment out of it.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

oh no... i'm right with you on the whole wussification bit. participation medals for everyone.

at the level we are talking about, there can easily be a huge difference in skill level. i coached U8 girls soccer, not my kids, but for/with a friend whose daughter was involved. we had two ringers on the team. the remainder had only seen a soccer ball in the store... yet, when you get on the field, no matter how you coach it the girls that have zero experience all rugby scrum it and the ringers poached from the outside and went running for the goal uncontested. this was a rec league and pretty much random draws, but i could see if you had 3 or 4 girls on a single team that had experience it could get really ugly. yeah, i had my fill in those two years of listening to parents scream and misbehave that i won't coach my own kids now that they are on teams. btw, the parents' poor sportsmanship on both ends of the spectrum is outstanding.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

the solution was actually simple:


at halftime, the team down 100 should have gathered up and pants the camp northstar kids and ran for the bus.

 

[AlCoDog]

Sometimes it's easy to pick out the bitter adults who spent their life being picked last.

 

[J-Dawg]

There's a grey area between "just playing the game" and being down-right unsportsmanlike.

I can see each side's opinion on the issue, but fact of the matter is it's a little of both. Yes, it's the losing coaches responsibility to have his team ready to play and to teach them not to give up. But it's also the winning coaches responsibility to call off the dogs when he's up by a score that was humiliating enough at halftime. Calling a half-court trap is NOT "calling off the dogs". He should have played a base man or 2-3 zone and sat back.

It has nothing to do with the sissification of America. I don't agree with him getting suspended, but at the very least he deserves to get publicly reprimanded.

These are high schoolers, not professionals. There is nothing sportsmanlike about beating a team that bad and in that manner. I don't care if he's playing quadruple amputees. At that age, teach fundamentals, respect, effort and sportmanship.... and when it's obvious that your opponent is vastly inferior in those areas.... you learn how to win or lose with humility.

 

[FlotownDawg]

I'm sure the girls for the losing team know they suck because they have probably gotten blown out just about every game. They probably wouldn't mind getting to shoot the ball once in a while instead of turning it over every possession because their vastly superior opponent keeps pressing even though they're up by 130 points. High school sports are supposed to be fun, and shooting a basketball with the possibility of scoring is way more fun than continuing to turn it over because the ******* coach for the other team won't call off the dogs on defense.

 

[dawgphd]

Couple of points.

The winning team has won most of their games by wide margins. None 150+ but some really big blowouts. The game following the suspension they won 85-15. The losing team has lost every game. None by 150. But by about an average score of 60-10.

From a competitive standpoint it seems this year's Olive Branch VS a MAIS 1A.

The three problems I have.
1. This isn't a league game so how in the blue hell did it get scheduled? Repeat not a league game. With that fact, how did it not get called off.
2. The board has set an precedent. But where is the line in the sand? We know 161-2. What about 100-10? 75-4? A football game thats 84-7? They have passed down a punishment that is purely subjective.
3. Why were you pressing after midway 1st quarter if at all?

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Sometimes it's easy to pick out the bitter adults who spent their life being picked last.

And one more box we can check.

 

[thekimmer]

be pissed then. why seek punishment though?

You might have a point if the coach had not pursued such an aggressive defense for a game won by 160 points. That is poor sportsmanship so egregious in my mind to warrant correction. Censure maybe but probably not suspension.