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docholiday51 said:
The question is what do either of them know that the FBI doesn't already know,it would seem to me that Gatto is likely to know more stuff that would interest the FBI.Unless these particular FBI guys are UK fans they probably aren't as interested in bringing down Pitino,UL or college basketball in general,now a corrupt business is another matter.
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Right. That would be their interest. How involved was jurich, assistants, anyone else at the school or adidas.

It doesnt even have to be about this. Could be crimes relating to the foundation, of which im sure he knows plenty.
 
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The guy just couldn't stop trying to dethrone Kentucky as king of college basketball until it took his soul, he is going down like a one egg pudding.
 
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bigblueinsanity said:
Ive practiced federal criminal defense at the highest level for years as well. I can tell by your thought process, youve never tried a case, and are probably an associate whos still wrapped up in theoretical applications of law.

In the real world, in the courtroom: If they file the motion for acquittal, theyll lose. Maybe scotus overturns it, maybe not. Either way thats years later.

That doesnt even consider the superseding indictment that has some low hanging fruit: tax evasion/fraud, failure to file irs form 8300 for certain cash transactions, and/or structuring; just off the top of my head. Theyre likely threatening this for those that dont talk. Thats why many will. Then the process starts anew.

See these arent really white collar criminals. These are, mostly, normal people that happened to commit financial crimes. The investigation methods, and likely prosecutorial methods, are much closer to that of a drug trafficking conspiracy.
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Yeah, that! ^
 
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I was going to enter the astronaut program but i didn't want to give up my job at the drugstore.
 
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Smashcat said:
You don't know he won't do time. Feds know locking him up even for six months would make a lot of other HCs out there reassess their priorities.
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If they decided to make an example of Pitino that would be awesome. I just don't see it happening. We'll see though..
 
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westerncat said:
Will never see inside of a jail cell.
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I agree he won't go to jail, but if Gatto does testify and offer evidence of Pitino's involvement, it would force Rick to plea bargain, which requires a guilty plea. So, I don't care if he does a minute of jail time, but the guilty plea is the nail in his coaching coffin. And that would shut his mouth, which is all I would like to see.
 
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IL Wildcat said:
I agree he won't go to jail, but if Gatto does testify and offer evidence of Pitino's involvement, it would force Rick to plea bargain, which requires a guilty plea. So, I don't care if he does a minute of jail time, but the guilty plea is the nail in his coaching coffin. And that would shut his mouth, which is all I would like to see.
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You really think anything will shut his mouth?! I don't see it. Barring a court order, the Pimp will squeal and moan about being a victim until he dies.
 
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Shawn (uk7spd) said:
It is amazing how fast people feel compelled to attack others to make themselves feel important. I am not an associate. I have tried two honest services cases in the past 4 years alone. I won a Rule 29 in a case involving honest services among other charges. We will see how this plays out.
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I spent a night at a Holiday Inn Express this year......
 
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Shawn (uk7spd) said:
I am not basing it off of Matt Jones. I am a white-collar defense attorney at one of the top firms in the country. I literally do this for a living. The fiduciary theory is questionable and ripe for challenge before SCOTUS. And the related honest services theory of prosecution has been gutted in recent years.
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As an expert in the field would you say these long max sentences for these crimes is in place to help put away mafia members longer? If thats the case is it ur opinion they won't be really looking at these kinds of sentences? Or do you think that coach 2 could take a hard fall to set an example

Gary4UK said:
This is the very kind of person the FBI likes to make an example of... You can't buy the government off... NCAA, yes, Dickey V and ESPN could get him out, but not the FBI...
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Interesting thought I mean they could really discourage this type of cheating if old Rick a hall of fame coach was to spend the rest of his life in prison!
 
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Prison for Pitino will be removing him from coaching. Do that and he's locked up forever.
 
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My brother in laws cousin can fart through his nose.
 
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Shawn (uk7spd) said:
I am not basing it off of Matt Jones. I am a white-collar defense attorney at one of the top firms in the country. I literally do this for a living. The fiduciary theory is questionable and ripe for challenge before SCOTUS. And the related honest services theory of prosecution has been gutted in recent years.
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At least you practice. Jones got a JD, used it for maybe 2 years, then kicked off the KSR schtick. In other words, I'd listen to you - a practicing defense attorney in an actual firm - over any babble that comes from Jones's chops.
 
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bigblueinsanity said:
Congrats. Im glad youre doing well. Im not attacking you. Im just pointing out to you that your approach to the case is more academic than reality.

I agreed with your overall premise. It just wont work that way in real life. These folks arent ones that would handle jail well. To have them wait in jail for tears pinning hopes on a scotus reversal just isnt much of a sales pitch. Especially when they can talk, and be out for sure in about the same amount of time.
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I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night and could buy both your firms.
 
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bigblueinsanity said:
Its not questionable at all, despite what Jones said. Its as solid as cases get.

Wait till they add all the tax and failure to file cash transaction forms. That will hit everyone. Then more people will talk. And it keeps going.

The only ones with a chance will be those where its word versus word. The rest will have wiretaps, surveilance, cw recordings, and financial records. For them, beating this case isnt even a chance. Thats why most will talk.

Now its likely they may not see alot of jail time due to their criminal history scores being low, cooperation, etc. But theyll be convicted.
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Ill bet you a thousand dollars he'll never spend a night in jail over this.
 
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83Cat said:
I'd rather not see Pitino go to jail. Probably just me, but I am fine with him being banned for life.
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Oh I feel the same way, the public humiliation and not having the hear him trying to press our buttons from the UofL pulpit will be enough for me. I was agreeing with this post which mentioned probation at the most.

Shawn (uk7spd) said:
It is really going to depend on two things: (1) if the government's legal theory holds up, which is questionable; and (2) if Gatto cooperates and testifies against Pitino. If the latter happens, it may not matter how weak the legal theory is, because Pitino could be forced to plead. He would likely only get probation and a huge fine, but it would be the greatest fall in history for a college basketball coach, if it isn't already.
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Lovebaskelball said:
I want Coach 2 to get every penny. Make those losers pay $44 million for nothing.
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Yeah that's where I am too. UofLOL made this bed, they need to lie in it. Make them explain to students why their tuition and fees are going up again so they can pay $44 million to a fired basketball coach who got their title stripped and basketball program on probation.
 
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YouKay said:
Yeah that's where I am too. UofLOL made this bed, they need to lie in it. Make them explain to students why their tuition and fees are going up again so they can pay $44 million to a fired basketball coach who got their title stripped and basketball program on probation.
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I think he never serves a day, most likely is never even indicted, and that U6 ends up having to pay him at least some of the money too.

Hell, if he was 10-15 years younger I'd be inclined to bet he'd coach again too.
 
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Blueaz said:
I am not understanding the words coming outs yer mouth.,, damn it Shawn, I'm a doctor not an attorney.
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Sometimes doctors need lawyers and lawyers need doctors. It's good you guys are corresponding.
I handled money for the federal government as a Contracting Officer's Technical Representative (COTR). I was informed by several government lawyers that I had fiduciary responsibility and if I mishandled money or caused money to be spent improperly, my butt could end up in prison. I know a person with the same responsibilities who is currently residing in the Graybar Hotel.
 
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