CLOSED - Chris Jones Kneed

[KurtRambis4]

I've been

followed by police, when in neighborhoods I didn't live in, too.

To be honest, it really didn't bother me. I understood they were just being vigilant.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

"What is the exact desired outcome?"

THAT is where. This isnt about WHAT. And it isnt funny. I support their and your right to protest. That is the important thing here. Not what outcome happens. You want something measurable. Counter protest all you want. We fought for that too.

Just 17 off with this measuring stick ****. Your posts are great about sports, but you dont know **** about whyf the constitution is great. You are just one of the many that dont like the image of someone kneeling.

Kneelers were fought for too. ESPECIALLY kneelers.

For someone who fought for the right for people to have opinions, you sure are condemning one half of the opinionated.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

followed by police, when in neighborhoods I didn't live in, too.

To be honest, it really didn't bother me. I understood they were just being vigilant.

I one time waved at a black cop in Jackson. I was a kid and stupid. The cop pulled us over (me, my mother, sister and her BF), shined the spotlight in the car, made us all put our hands in the air while she approached the car with gun drawn.

Is this cop racist? Or was I a dumbass kid. While I think the drama was very unnecessary, I didn't label the cop as racist or unfit to serve. And this was like 15 years ago.

 

[KurtRambis4]

He was most likely some POG*

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[blacklistedbully]

In addition to what Engie posted, I can't believe you are equating the racial problems we had at Selma with the environment today.

Sure, there are racists in the world. Probably always will be. But there are relatively very few compared to the time of the Selma incidents. It's not even close. During the MLK marches, etc, there was still a high % of racist people who hated based solely on skin-color. Today you would be hard-pressed to find a single person you know that is one.

Truly, think about all of the people you know, and ask yourself how many of them hate based on skin color? And no, you don't get to count people simply because they don't share your political values, or don't like the BLM movement, etc. I'm talking about people that openly hate on skin-color alone.

I know thousands of people, and I truly cannot think of a single one that is like that. That's a long, long way from the 60's and before.

 

[engie]

So reading this thread, the next time I'm invited to my supervisors house in an affluent white neighborhood, and the police follows me for 10 minutes, now I know he's not profiling me, he's just making sure I stay in my place and don't 17 up.

Somehow I missed this sentence the first time. You think they won't follow a white boy driving a piece of crap in an affluent neighborhood also? They used to see me all the way back to 55 south half the time I would leave Reunion or Caroline. And got pulled over several times for made up bs reasons. I guess, to be fair, about half of those times it was dark and they might not have known I was white. Although the way they rode my ***, they had probably already run the plates and knew who I was.

What I don't understand is -- why do people hate scrutiny -- if they are actually doing nothing wrong? It's certainly an annoyance, but what is the big deal there? Scrutiny only really bothers the guilty IMO. I've been in those shoes before also. It offers the innocent the ability to prove innocence and when you are cordial and cooperative with that cop, it virtually guarantees he never messes with you again in that affluent neighborhood, where he very well might be the only one patrolling. That's worth something IMO.

Maybe I just can't truly understand. And if not, that's fair.

 

[Atrain0311]

ive been followed by cops as well, one specifically I remember when driving in a "bad" area. Does that make the cop racist also? Or just when they do it to black people?

Or does it just make sense, for a cop to look for things out of the ordinary, things that standout? Or are cops just supposed to be completely objective and not act on anything deemed suspicious for fear of being labeled racist and stereotyping?

You're proving my point. No matter what, the police can do no wrong to some people. There was no reason for the police to follow me for that long that day. I have a nice car, I was going the speed limit, my plates were up to date, I had on my seat belt, I signaled when I turned etc. The only thing out of the ordinary was a black man in an affluent mostly white neighborhood. So again I ask why was I being followed. What's suspicious. I can only think of one answer.

Edited to add: For the record I'm not saying the officer was racist. But that's just one example of the profiling I've experience. I've also had guns drawn on me by police as they yell over the horn to get out to the car after not committing any violations. But that's ok I guess also.

 

[mount lefroy]

In addition to what Engie posted, I can't believe you are equating the racial problems we had at Selma with the environment today.

Sure, there are racists in the world. Probably always will be. But there are relatively very few compared to the time of the Selma incidents. It's not even close. During the MLK marches, etc, there was still a high % of racist people who hated based solely on skin-color. Today you would be hard-pressed to find a single person you know that is one.

Truly, think about all of the people you know, and ask yourself how many of them hate based on skin color? And no, you don't get to count people simply because they don't share your political values, or don't like the BLM movement, etc. I'm talking about people that openly hate on skin-color alone.

I know thousands of people, and I truly cannot think of a single one that is like that. That's a long, long way from the 60's and before.

The exclamation that we've erased "most" of the brutality from our police force is enough? The vast majority of the brutality? If you know personally someone that has been brutalized by a cop for the color of their skin, you are ok that 'relatively few compared to the Selma events' is enough?

Good God man, equal is equal. No equivocation. Not some, not most, not nearly all.....ALL. Baltimore and Ferguson, MO and the rest dont happen when this isnt accepted. This isnt a protest about openly racist people this is a protest about ACCEPTABLE NORMS of racism in our court system and there is NEVER any. None. In any direction. White, black, hispanic, asian, NONE.

We have a responsibility as Americans to understand that there are still many who see evidence that the very society that is designed to protect them doesnt based on their nationality or the color of their skin.

Trump's comments before and since the election exemplify that. It's a package deal.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

You're proving my point. No matter what, the police can do no wrong to some people. There was no reason for the police to follow me for that long that day. I have a nice car, I was going the speed limit, my plates were up to date, I had on my seat belt, I signaled when I turned etc. The only thing out of the ordinary was a black man in an affluent mostly white neighborhood. So again I ask why was I being followed. What's suspicious. I can only think of one answer.

Edited to add: For the record I'm not saying the officer was racist. But that's just one example of the profiling I've experience. I've also had guns drawn on me by police as they yell over the horn to get out to the car after not committing any violations. But that's ok I guess also.

If it's unusual for a black man (you) to be in The discribed "affluent white neighborhood" then I don't mind a cop following gut instincts and tracking an unusual occurrence. If obvious the cop concluded you were doing nothing wrong and wasn't doing any criminal mischief, so he let you go on your way without pulling you over.

If that makes me racist, so be it.

 

[engie]

"What is the exact desired outcome?"

THAT is where. This isnt about WHAT. And it isnt funny. I support their and your right to protest. That is the important thing here. Not what outcome happens. You want something measurable. Counter protest all you want. We fought for that too.

Just 17 off with this measuring stick ****. Your posts are great about sports, but you dont know **** about whyf the constitution is great. You are just one of the many that dont like the image of someone kneeling.

Kneelers were fought for too. ESPECIALLY kneelers.

Come again? You are either drunk or stupid.

I haven't oppressed or suppressed anyone's rights or anyone's rights to their opinion. Point your psychobabble elsewhere -- or at least accurately -- at someone.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

The exclamation that we've erased "most" of the brutality from our police force is enough? The vast majority of the brutality? If you know personally someone that has been brutalized by a cop for the color of their skin, you are ok that 'relatively few compared to the Selma events' is enough?

Good God man, equal is equal. No equivocation. Not some, not most, not nearly all.....ALL. Baltimore and Ferguson, MO and the rest dont happen when this isnt accepted. This isnt a protest about openly racist people this is a protest about ACCEPTABLE NORMS of racism in our court system and there is NEVER any. None. In any direction. White, black, hispanic, asian, NONE.

We have a responsibility as Americans to understand that there are still many who see evidence that the very society that is designed to protect them doesnt based on their nationality or the color of their skin.

Trump's comments before and since the election exemplify that. It's a package deal.

Ferguson doesn't happen if they are cooperative and follow orders.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I've also had guns drawn on me by police as they yell over the horn to get out to the car after not committing any violations

What a coincidence, me too, and I'm white. Wow, that's weird!

 

[Atrain0311]

Ferguson doesn't happen if they are cooperative and follow orders.

Did the Australian woman killed by the Somali officer not comply also?

 

[KurtRambis4]

Isn't the prosecutor

deliberating, currently, on charges?

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Did the Australian woman killed by the Somali officer not comply also?

I haven't kept up with officer involved shootings lately Bbecause I'm sick of biased news. So I have zero insight on that incident.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

And for the record, of course their are "bad" cops that should not wear a badge. That definitely true. But to make it out as systematic racism is absurd to me.

if its people just wanting to be a part of something bigger than themselves, or picking fights that don't exist, I dunno.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Good God man, 60's racist environment is in no way...shape...or form what we have today.....not even close...not even a fraction!

We will NEVER eliminate racism completely as long as there is one dumb jackass who feels justified to hate a race. Shall we not accept until the end of time, that the problem has largely been solved? Or do we recognize that we now live in a world where the vast, vast majority of people do not judge or hate based on race.

In fact, I would say we have reached a point where there may be as much or more reverse-racism, with black people hating white people...often solely based on skin color.

While I have not seen a black man or woman victimized, I am sure it happens. But I can also tell you I have personally been harassed by black people because I was white...period.

IMO, we now live in a world where the racists are a ridiculed minority....a caricature of what they were just 40 or so years ago. That is a huge victory.

Please tell me the specific cases you are referencing where cops have murdered black people and got away with it. And while you're at it, why not take a look at whether or not they also killed white people? And while you're at that, juxtapose that against the number of violent crimes committed by race.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Therea are more bad NFL players than there are cops

Those sorry sons of bitches are one blown knee away from food stamps.

 

[mount lefroy]

Come again? You are either drunk or stupid.

I haven't oppressed or suppressed anyone's rights or anyone's rights to their opinion. Point your psychobabble elsewhere -- or at least accurately -- at someone.

AH! the most brilliant argument of all time. You are making the argument that someone shouldnt kneel for the anthem because they cannot express an 'exact desired outcome' in your mind, no?

Or are you denying that?

If I'm drunk and stupid, that doesnt say much about your point.

 

[dawgoneyall]

Longtime reader, but rarely post but I have to say something here. I applaud Chris Jones for his stance in kneeling and the most insulting thing fans can say is "stick to football". Basically they need to know their place. There is an issue with unarmed African Americans getting killed by police. It may not be as prevalent as the media makes it out to be but it is a very big problem. The fact that I can watch a man get shot in the back while running and the officer does not get convicted is all I need to see. I can listen to the Fernando Castille shooting and hear him and his girlfriend plead that he is not reaching and the cop still panics and shoots.

I'm not saying the cops are racist, but they are on edge around African Americans. The major issues we have about the shootings are the lack of convictions and people like the ones in this thread saying "comply comply comply". At the end of the day it's an issue of empathy, either you have it or you don't. When I see my people, people of color getting gunned down with no repurcussions it hurts, and then I see people celebrating the acquittals of the police. How am I supposed to feel about that. However when a Somali officer killed the Australian woman, the same people who say "comply comply comply" and back the cops at all cost are outraged, and rightfully so. The situations are the same although the victims aren't. You empathize with the Australian woman because she looks like your wife, your mother, your daughter, while the African American looks like your common street thug.

So reading this thread, the next time I'm invited to my supervisors house in an affluent white neighborhood, and the police follows me for 10 minutes, now I know he's not profiling me, he's just making sure I stay in my place and don't 17 up.

No. You are wrong. Sorry you believe the BS.

 

[blacklistedbully]

I wonder how many would be willing to quit their job and find another. To me, when those guys show up at the facilities and/or get in their gear, take the field, etc...they are, "on-the-job". I don't think it is appropriate for anyone to protest while, "on-the-job" unless your job is to be a protester.

To me, the Nat'l Anthem is part of the show/game, etc. If you don't want to stand and show respect for it, you have that right, but you need to quit your job and go find another job that doesn't require you to stand and honor the flag.

How many of these dudes would be willing to protest by quitting and walking away from those crazy contracts?

 

[engie]

AH! the most brilliant argument of all time. You are making the argument that someone shouldnt kneel for the anthem because they cannot express an 'exact desired outcome' in your mind, no?

Or are you denying that?

If I'm drunk and stupid, that doesnt say much about your point.

You are obviously too stupid to understand my point. Not just barely. You missed it entirely. Not even in the ballpark. I'm not going to defend a point I never made.

I never once said that anyone shouldn't have the right to do whatever the 17 they want. Said the contrary many times. But if the goal is affecting change in people -- it's dumb as 17 to not know exactly what change you want to affect -- and to piss them off prior to trying to get them to change their views...

Next: mtlefroy accuses engie for championing the denying of people's God-given right to be stupid...

 

[ShrubDog]

I keep seeing you guys say 8 people killed, it's over 100 so far in 2017. So if you're going to make an argument at least be somewhat accurate with your numbers.

Excuse me if the poster I was quoting gave out a false number. 100 unarmed blacks have been killed this year by cops?

 

[CLANGA]

Chris Jones jersey just went in the trash!

 

[BossDawg78]

They are protesting the rising number of cops getting away with senselessly killing unarmed African Americans. It has nothing to due with a "lack of unity" and has everything to do with the systematic racism inherent in law enforcement. Chris Jones gets this.

I'm getting so sick of this narrative. Statistically black men are more likely to be killed by other black men than by cops. Why doesn't that matter? Also, statistically more whites are killed by cops than blacks, too. Yes, I get there's more whites than blacks, but why are whites being killed at all if there's some racist system drummed up nationwide by cops to primarily target "innocent" black men? Why don't people point out that the overwhelming majority of encounters between blacks and police end peacefully?

This "systematic racism within law enforcement" angle insinuated by the media is absolute garbage and does nothing but divide us further. All it is is a social fringe throwing their weight around and attacking a necessary tier of authority, and the media runs with it like idiots, which throws more fuel on the fire. If you don't want to be shot by cops, don't do anything to attract the attention of cops. And if a cop pulls you over or questions you, just be polite and do what he says. That cop has no idea who you are and what your intentions are, and considering the idiots they have to deal with on a daily basis, they are already on edge approaching someone they don't know (especially now). I've been "followed" before, too, and it had nothing to do with race. Acting like the cop SHOULDN'T be checking things out if it involves you only makes the situation worse. For all you know, if a cop is following you, you could be driving a car that matches the description of a robbery.

Thinking cops are actually going around harassing "innocent" black people because they have nothing better to do is ridiculous and paranoid.

(Waiting for the "nuh uh! Cops are mean ol' racists!!!" downvotes)

 

[GloryDawg]

followed by police, when in neighborhoods I didn't live in, too.

To be honest, it really didn't bother me. I understood they were just being vigilant.

I use to walk late at night in my neighborhood. The first couple of times the police stop me and asked who I was and where I lived. I did not become a smart ***. The went on their merry way. Eat your pride and do what they say.

 

[Coledawg]

Kansas City Chiefs: Defensive lineman Chris Jones was on one knee. Linebacker Justin Houston was down on both knees, and cornerback Marcus Peters and receiver Chris Conley each took a knee, too. Nose tackle Bennie Logan had a hand on Peters. Two players were kneeling on opposite sides of quarterback Alex Smith, and tight end Travis Kelce took a knee.

In the nuts?

 

[Hankp22]

Could you please bold the important parts?

THANK YOU1!@1!@1!-HIEROGLYPHICS

 

[Bucky Dog]

Longtime reader, but rarely post but I have to say something here. I applaud Chris Jones for his stance in kneeling and the most insulting thing fans can say is "stick to football". Basically they need to know their place. There is an issue with unarmed African Americans getting killed by police. It may not be as prevalent as the media makes it out to be but it is a very big problem. The fact that I can watch a man get shot in the back while running and the officer does not get convicted is all I need to see. I can listen to the Fernando Castille shooting and hear him and his girlfriend plead that he is not reaching and the cop still panics and shoots.

I'm not saying the cops are racist, but they are on edge around African Americans. The major issues we have about the shootings are the lack of convictions and people like the ones in this thread saying "comply comply comply". At the end of the day it's an issue of empathy, either you have it or you don't. When I see my people, people of color getting gunned down with no repurcussions it hurts, and then I see people celebrating the acquittals of the police. How am I supposed to feel about that. However when a Somali officer killed the Australian woman, the same people who say "comply comply comply" and back the cops at all cost are outraged, and rightfully so. The situations are the same although the victims aren't. You empathize with the Australian woman because she looks like your wife, your mother, your daughter, while the African American looks like your common street thug.

So reading this thread, the next time I'm invited to my supervisors house in an affluent white neighborhood, and the police follows me for 10 minutes, now I know he's not profiling me, he's just making sure I stay in my place and don't 17 up.

So did you miss the part where the officer told Fernando Castille NOT to reach for anything and to keep his hands up???? Just because the guy says I have a pistol and a permit and I'm not reaching for my gun, is the cop supposed to go, OK, do what you want to?! Do what the cops say, that's it.

It has been said the cops do not racially profile it's more of a situational profile. Are you in a known area of crime, drugs, robbery, etc? What time of night is it? how are you responding to requests of the police? The liberals and news make it strictly a race decision. Like people said, what is being said or done about all of the random innocent blacks being murdered by other blacks for their own gain? See Chicago. The black lives being taken innocently like this and otherwise such as gang violence is hundreds of times greater.

I dont believe the vast majority of cops looks at a person and goes, you are black and you are guilty. Again, it has to do with where you are, what time it is, how you are dressed and acting and all of that. Just as if I drive through a sobriety check point at 1AM, the cop is going to assume that I have been drinking, as he should.

 

[mstateglfr]

I dont believe the vast majority of cops looks at a person and goes, you are black and you are guilty. Again, it has to do with where you are, what time it is, how you are dressed and acting and all of that. Just as if I drive through a sobriety check point at 1AM, the cop is going to assume that I have been drinking, as he should.

Lesson being, its ok to be black as long as its only at certain times or in certain places because, you know, being black is like a sobriety check point.

Interesting.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Social justice warrior to the rescue!!!*

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[thatsbaseball]

If your family really has the military back round you describe and yall are good with what we're seeing in the NFL then they're probably part of an even bigger problem we as a country will have to address in the not to distant future.

 

[thatsbaseball]

You sure prioritize things strangely. You main gripe here seems to be that you were followed around a neighborhood by a policeman that did nothing to you but probably checked you license plate and never stopped you. BUT as an after thought you've also remembered having police draw their guns on you and yell at you through a bullhorn. Now you want to tell about the time you were beaten by police to within an inch of tour life while you were delivering donuts to a local nursing home. Nice try dude....but that's pretty weak ********.

 

[tatedog]

Nose tackle Bennie Logan had a hand on Peters.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...