CLOSED - Chris Jones Kneed

[tbaydog]

Kansas City Chiefs: Defensive lineman Chris Jones was on one knee. Linebacker Justin Houston was down on both knees, and cornerback Marcus Peters and receiver Chris Conley each took a knee, too. Nose tackle Bennie Logan had a hand on Peters. Two players were kneeling on opposite sides of quarterback Alex Smith, and tight end Travis Kelce took a knee.

 

[tatedog]

I always figured Chris Jones had a knee.

 

[Sutterkane]

oh my god

 

[LandsurveyorDawg]

I damn sure care.

 

[smellmyfinger]

Damn great idea! Let's protest the lack of unity in the country by disrespecting the most unifying item in this country! Fukcing idiots!!

Also why was Beny Logan putting his hands on peters? NTTAWWT.

 

[Faustdog]

...Linebacker Justin Houston was down on both knees...

Question: Is taking two knees like a double protest, or is it like when you cross two fingers on each hand thereby cancelling out the cross all together?

 

[CochiseCowbell]

Kneeled*

 

[Palos verdes]

Damn great idea! Let's protest the lack of unity in the country by disrespecting the most unifying item in this country! Fukcing idiots!!

This is the best illustrated point I've read on the issue. Excellent post.

 

[tatedog]

Did you really knead to point that out?

 

[ShrubDog]

Damn great idea! Let's protest the lack of unity in the country by disrespecting the most unifying item in this country! Fukcing idiots!!

Also why was Beny Logan putting his hands on peters? NTTAWWT.

Can't fix stupid man. I wonder when these players will march in Chicago....

 

[tatedog]

Can't fix stupid man. I wonder when these players will march in Chicago....

The march should be done in Cleveland where fans would really appreciate 11 or more players looking somewhat organized.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Kneeled*

I thought kneed looked odd lol.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Delete

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Maybe Hugh told him to kneel....

 

[tatedog]

Maybe Hugh told him to kneel....

Too easy.

 

[Crucifictorious]

They are protesting the rising number of cops getting away with senselessly killing unarmed African Americans. It has nothing to due with a "lack of unity" and has everything to do with the systematic racism inherent in law enforcement. Chris Jones gets this.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

What's pathetic is folks who claim "the intolerant left" aren't tolerant, are not tolerable themselves.

Do I wish they found another way to protest? Yes.

Do I know what it's like to walk in their shoes? No.

Do I blame athletes for being brought up in poor homes with little family structure, so they are uninformed to a degree? No.


My favorite music artist is very liberal, but I go watch him play because I like his music. I don't follow him on twitter. I couldn't care less. What I care about is gettin down at a show and letting it all hang out even if some of his political rhetoric and visuals would upset me if I let them, but I don't, because I like the music.

The only person who has to have somewhat similar political views as I do is my future wife, because with friends, I can say, "see ya later I'm going home."

I watch football for the football. I think some of the protests are misguided, but I'll give them a pass since I haven't walked in their shoes. Walking in their shoes involves getting profiled at least once a year in your life bc of the color of their skin as they walk through a department store. Imagine if that happened to you just once in your life. I imagine it would leave a sour taste and give me some bisases going forward.

How about instead of calling them "SOBs," we have some constructive dialogue instead of DT spewing divisive rhetoric constantly. If OB was in office, you people would be saying, "Get outta politics, stick to governing!"

Here's the solution: Change the Anthem to "America the Beautiful" or some other song and NFL put in a policy that they can all agree with.

I hate seeing people kneel during the anthem, but it's about all they can do without being fined right now to express their political views.

And who gives **** if they want to express their political views? They are players. They aren't there to simply 'play and shut up' and that's all they can do "BECAUSE I PAID $80 FOR THIS NOSEBLEED SEAT AND $14 FOR THIS HOT DOG AND BEER!"

Get over yourself. You're not important. You're there to watch the game, not be these guys friends and for them to bow down to you.

Rant over.

 

[Cubswillwinitonedaydawg]

They are protesting the rising number of cops getting away with senselessly killing unarmed African Americans. It has nothing to due with a "lack of unity" and has everything to do with the systematic racism inherent in law enforcement. Chris Jones gets this.

I hope they are also protesting the gang members senselessly killing unarmed americans, or the mothers senselessly killing unborn children. Both of those take the lives of thousands more African-Americans than the "rising number of cops."

 

[engie]

They are protesting the rising number of cops getting away with senselessly killing unarmed African Americans. It has nothing to due with a "lack of unity" and has everything to do with the systematic racism inherent in law enforcement. Chris Jones gets this.

"Imagined" systematic racism, more likely. We can play the statistics game back and forth on it all day -- but we aren't going to convince each other -- so that's pointless.

So, what's the measuring stick at the end of the tunnel that makes the protesters happy and ends the protest? What is the exact desired outcome? I have yet to see one -- and that's why the "protest" is a paper tiger. It's not affecting positive change. Quite the contrary. You don't change anyone's mind by pissing them off. And the methodology used pisses half the country off.

Everyone's heels are dug in. The only way this ends with a positive outcome for anyone is for both sides to step away from the ledge, take a deep breath, listen, and take some time for reflection. That's how concessions are made.

 

[dawgdr]

Caucasians and every other race are on the wrong side of police shootings. The same weekend of the Ferguson shooting, an unarmed white male was killed by a african american policeman in Salt Lake, no press. By all accounts, he had issues in his past, but was doing nothing at the time to warrant being shot, but the policeman perceived him a threat, no protests, minimal coverage. When an ethnic group commits over 50% of murders in this country but only make up 12% of population, then obviously they are going to have more contact with the police. And when you figure really only 6% of the population commits the vast majority of those.

 

[ShrubDog]

They are protesting the rising number of cops getting away with senselessly killing unarmed African Americans. It has nothing to due with a "lack of unity" and has everything to do with the systematic racism inherent in law enforcement. Chris Jones gets this.

Not a lack of unity?

If cops were not on the streets more innocent people would be killed. And it's such a low percentage of cop killings its not like its out of control like black on black crime. We can ***** foot around this subject for years.

There are no organized leaders with an original idea other than protesting, rioting and kneeling, and that ain't going to work. They offer ZERO solutions.

 

[coach66]

If you follow Chris on twitter you would not be surprised by his stance. He is

pretty upfront about his views through his retweets.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

This doesn't get enough attention.

Yes, black Americans are targeted more frequently by police violence, but it's also worth discussing that police abuse of power is a huge issue regardless of race. Yes it's a tough job, but "blue lives matter" is almost insulting. That slogan isn't some sort of anti-cop killer message, it's a direct response to "black lives matter" that police lives matter more just because they wear a uniform. I'm not a fan of BLM either, but this is worse.

 

[engie]

And, yes, profiling is definitely real. But I'm not at all sure how much of that is based on skin color. Some certainly is. But I'd imagine it's a much smaller percentage than the airtime it gets. Profiling is generally founded in reality of experiences. And anyone that says they don't do it is a liar. Even attraction, which you have little to no physical control over IMO, is still profiling someone based on their appearance. If a policeman doesn't profile based on appearance and situational evidence, he is not going to be worth a **** as a policeman. That's a simple fact. Now, if he murders someone in cold blood -- he deserves to go to jail for all of his days. Period. And that has certainly happened.

At one point in my life, due to my own personal bad decisions I had made along the way, I got stuck driving a shitbox old car. The amount of times I got pulled over for ridiculous stuff in my suburb was crazy. With several tickets for said ridiculous stuff. To the point I felt like I knew all of the cops. Yes, I was a normal looking white guy being profiled on the car I drove in a fairly nice part of town. And that was fine by me outside of those moments when I was paying the $45 seat belt ticket when I wasn't even out of the AutoZone parking lot yet. I understand why and how that helped keep me safe as a resident. The times before and after said shitbox I've been able to get away with a lot more in nicer vehicles.

I think Kaepernick is a bad person for the pedestal in this deal. His entire life was lived in "white privilege". I doubt he's ever faced real profiling based on skin color in his life. And if he has, it's been subtle.

 

[LTblows]

They are protesting the rising number of cops getting away with senselessly killing unarmed African Americans.

The statistics do not show this narrative. Eight unarmed black males have been killed by police nationwide this year. It basically never happens when viewed in context of the number of interactions between unarmed black males and the police. It's just not a significant issue statistically. Couple that fact with the Justice Department finding no fault with the officers in any of these incidents should quell the anger from the masses, but the masses largely do not care about facts and logic.

And then you get players like Michael Bennett completely misrepresenting, if not blatantly lying, about his recent interaction with police, having zero evidence to support his claims, and Lebron James's vandalism incident with zero evidence to support his claims. These players fans the flames of society.

 

[ShrubDog]

That slogan isn't some sort of anti-cop killer message, it's a direct response to "black lives matter" that police lives matter more just because they wear a uniform. I'm not a fan of BLM either, but this is worse.

Man you try way to hard

 

[campshelbydog842003]

"Imagined" systematic racism, more likely. We can play the statistics game back and forth on it all day -- but we aren't going to convince each other -- so that's pointless.

So, what's the measuring stick at the end of the tunnel that makes the protesters happy and ends the protest? What is the exact desired outcome? I have yet to see one -- and that's why the "protest" is a paper tiger. It's not affecting positive change. Quite the contrary. You don't change anyone's mind by pissing them off. And the methodology used pisses half the country off.

Everyone's heels are dug in. The only way this ends with a positive outcome for anyone is for both sides to step away from the ledge, take a deep breath, listen, and take some time for reflection. That's how concessions are made.

They are never going to be happy because they believe with all of their heart in something that is false. The people that are committing the overwhelming majority of violent crimes are getting shot at a higher rate by police and for some reason that is surprising to people.

 

[YardBarker]

Yes, black Americans are targeted more frequently by police violence, but it's also worth discussing that police abuse of power is a huge issue regardless of race. Yes it's a tough job, but "blue lives matter" is almost insulting. That slogan isn't some sort of anti-cop killer message, it's a direct response to "black lives matter" that police lives matter more just because they wear a uniform. I'm not a fan of BLM either, but this is worse.

So using the same thought process, when you flip the two groups you're admitting that it's not equality that BLM and others are fighting for? It's supremacy? It's 2017, everyone is equal. I know some hate does exist, but it's not just one race that is the victim of such and it's not just in this country. With that said, for the most part, racism is a convenient excuse for wrongdoing or failure.

 

[Bulldogg31]

There's no money in everyone being happy.

 

[Boosh]

My frustration is that everything is now political. I love the game of football. I loved playing when I was young. I loved coaching when I got older. But now I don't want to watch NFL because it is political. Why? There is no reason or purpose for it there. Essentially, they have ruined the game with their political statements when there was no reason to make a statement. You want to make a statement, go to a political rally and run for office or speak for a candidate.

 

[Atrain0311]

Longtime reader, but rarely post but I have to say something here. I applaud Chris Jones for his stance in kneeling and the most insulting thing fans can say is "stick to football". Basically they need to know their place. There is an issue with unarmed African Americans getting killed by police. It may not be as prevalent as the media makes it out to be but it is a very big problem. The fact that I can watch a man get shot in the back while running and the officer does not get convicted is all I need to see. I can listen to the Fernando Castille shooting and hear him and his girlfriend plead that he is not reaching and the cop still panics and shoots.

I'm not saying the cops are racist, but they are on edge around African Americans. The major issues we have about the shootings are the lack of convictions and people like the ones in this thread saying "comply comply comply". At the end of the day it's an issue of empathy, either you have it or you don't. When I see my people, people of color getting gunned down with no repurcussions it hurts, and then I see people celebrating the acquittals of the police. How am I supposed to feel about that. However when a Somali officer killed the Australian woman, the same people who say "comply comply comply" and back the cops at all cost are outraged, and rightfully so. The situations are the same although the victims aren't. You empathize with the Australian woman because she looks like your wife, your mother, your daughter, while the African American looks like your common street thug.

So reading this thread, the next time I'm invited to my supervisors house in an affluent white neighborhood, and the police follows me for 10 minutes, now I know he's not profiling me, he's just making sure I stay in my place and don't 17 up.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Caucasians and every other race are on the wrong side of police shootings. The same weekend of the Ferguson shooting, an unarmed white male was killed by a african american policeman in Salt Lake, no press. By all accounts, he had issues in his past, but was doing nothing at the time to warrant being shot, but the policeman perceived him a threat, no protests, minimal coverage. When an ethnic group commits over 50% of murders in this country but only make up 12% of population, then obviously they are going to have more contact with the police. And when you figure really only 6% of the population commits the vast majority of those.

Black male just shot up a church in Nashville...where was the news on this? Didn't even make the front page of CNN when I checked.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but BLM are ****** as well.

I don't like their tactics, and their message does often come off more as supremacy than equality.

 

[HumpDawgy]

There's no money in everyone being happy.

Ding Ding Ding....we have a winner.

 

[mcdawg22]

You know Moultrie would take a knee.

 

[KurtRambis4]

This is the biggest sham being

propagated by the left.

ETA: Being unarmed, does not preclude one from being shot, legally.

 

[ShrubDog]

False narrative once again. The numbers don't support this out of control killing of unarmed blacks. Its easy to cherry pick a few cases here and there but the numbers don't add up, do more digging.

And the only group on the national stage being vocal against the police is BLM, and all they want to do is kill cops. Oh wait I forgot Kap and his buddies....

 

[Crucifictorious]

The measuring stick is that officers, who are so clearly at fault, actually going to prison. That's the problem though, white cop kills black man and he goes free. Its a tale as old as time and African Americans, rightly so, are sick of it. Even if it only happened 8 times in the last year, none of the eight officers involved were found guilty. That's some shady **** there.

 

[RocketDawg]

Well, it was all over the news here yesterday. But it's somewhat local. I had no idea it was a black male until now. What was his issue, other than being crazy?

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Well, it was all over the news here yesterday. But it's somewhat local. I had no idea it was a black male until now. What was his issue, other than being crazy?

I dunno, I haven't read much on it. I just checked some national news sites to see if they were covering it. And not surpringly, they weren't.