Clemson at Cuse

G- RUnit

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Cuse also upset Va Tech last year.
Where are our upset wins?
Where are our wins period?
We needed a proven experienced winner.
Ugh!
 

madchuck

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Cuse also upset Va Tech last year.
Where are our upset wins?
Where are our wins period?
We needed a proven experienced winner.
Ugh!

I understand that we're in a rebuild. And I understand the mess that Flood left. And I'm not saying Ash is a bad coach but he's done nothing on the field to prove that he's a good coach. Babers upset Virginia Tech when they were #17, he upset Clemson when they were #2. He went 4-8 last year but already matched that win total this year. They are getting better. He already has two huge wins over teams where he was a huge underdog. Over 20 point underdog. I think he's proved that he's a good coach. All of this with inferior talent. Ash hasn't beat a P5 team yet. Hopefully hat changes tomorrow.
 
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Yeah, those good offensive minds can truly see the potential in high school prospects. Kinda like Mehringer was able to pick up Oden and Allen for us. Oh wait...
Well someone was asking about Ash's interview. IMO as an AD when hiring a HC, I'd ask about who he's bringing as coordinator for the opposite side of the ball from his expertise. Well I'd actually ask about both coordinators but the answer to the opposite side of the ball would carry more weight in my mind.

While I was open to Ash and still am, DM as an answer to that question would have ruled Ash out to me. It would have been too early in DM's career to put him in that position IMO (1 year OC at James Madison). I wonder how many ADs actually ask the question and if they do how much they actually know about all the coaches around the landscape and what they've accomplished.
 
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I think having a spread offense with an aggressive coach is better right now then a defensive minded one. Offenses are easier to establish.
I've been advocating offense for some time and have said it's the best avenue to overachieving your perceived status on the college landscape.

But I don't think you have to exclude defensive coaches because of that. People keep acting like that but it's not necessary. I've given the examples of Bob Stoops when he was at OU and Gary Patterson at TCU. They're defensive coaches who have had strong offenses over the years and have actually had to replace coordinators multiple times over the years. They still keep chugging.

To me finding solid/strong offensive coaches is easier than defensive ones. They're ubiquitous. So even if you do have a revolving door it's easier to replace. It's unfortunate though considering IMO the ubiquity of them we haven't done a good job of finding good ones to date for the most part.

Kliff Kingsbury has cranked out some really good offenses at TT but his defenses have sucked so he hasn't gained any traction. So you need some mediocre defense and I think that's easier to deliver in a defensive HC. That being said at present moment my top 3 guys who could be good HCs are offensive guys Joe Moorhead, Doug Meacham, Mike Yurcich. Like I said they're easier to find but I would prefer offensive guys who have been associated with a defensive HC or good defense in their career.
 

yesrutgers01

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I am just watching the 2nd half of the 4th Qtr now. Have to give Cuse credit on this game and can only say they played this game hard and aggressive, both sides of the ball. What I saw on offense, someone correct me if I am wrong, because I didn't look it up, they look like they have had a gameplan for two consecutive years. Anyone that doesn't think us having 9 different gameplans on offense in 9 years, is kidding themselves. That is why we need to keep Kill here under all circumstances next year. It will at least give us a chance.
 
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Looks like he's a sophomore so I guess he may have been. And if he is, it's not an accident or luck that a solid qb is found by some of these coaches. They know what they're looking for and what fits for their systems.

Mike Leach has been churning out qbs for his system forever. I remember reading an article a couple years ago about Philip Montgomery (then Art Briles OC at Baylor) and the qualities they look for in a qb and they kept on chugging along at that position similar to Leach despite the changes in personnel. So you can say see how much a qb makes a difference but it's not luck that some of these coaches can repeatedly find solid qbs.
It's all about player development. The only RU QB that got better in the last 5 years was Gary Nova, and that was because Friedgen was hired as OC in his senior year. Also, Leach fully immerses his QBs in all aspects of the system from day one. That hasn't happened here.
 
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Washington and Washington State could both be in the playoff if everything breaks right.
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Wow, Cali 37-3 over Washington St.
 

madchuck

Heisman
Oct 22, 2016
21,619
46,025
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Wow, Cali 37-3 over Washington St.

Every weekend teams beat people they shouldn't. Every single weekend. That seems to NEVER happen at Rutgers. Have we ever upset anyone? Even Louisville while it was the biggest game in school history wasn't that big of an upset. People were predicting us to win.
 
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It's all about player development. The only RU QB that got better in the last 5 years was Gary Nova, and that was because Friedgen was hired as OC in his senior year. Also, Leach fully immerses his QBs in all aspects of the system from day one. That hasn't happened here.
Well I'm always about the coaching/development over the jimmy/joe argument.

To me I've always thought the talent level in recruiting is like a tiered pyramid with the tiers getting wider as you go down. So arbitrarily say 1-15 is the same, 16-45, 46-90, etc.. So unless you have an absolutely awesome or absolutely poor recruiter as coach you're likely to be in the same tier coinciding with your school status most of the time regardless of coach barring "cheating" or some prolonged sustained achievement/disappointment which could push you up/down a tier.

So in my mind the difference maker is the coach who can do more with less and find the guys who fit his systems and make them go.
 
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madchuck

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Well I'm always about the coaching/development over the jimmy/joe argument.

To me I've always thought the talent level in recruiting is like a tiered pyramid with the tiers getting wider as you go down. So arbitrarily say 1-15 is the same, 16-45, 46-90, etc.. So unless you have an absolutely awesome or absolutely poor recruiter as coach you're likely to be in the same tier coinciding with your school status most of the time regardless of coach barring "cheating" or some prolonged sustained achievement/disappointment which could push you up/down a tier.

So in my mind the difference maker is the coach who can do more with less and find the guys who fit his systems and make them go.

I agree with this. I understand Rutgers is at a disadvantage by having a significant number of players dismissed from the program which basically wiped out a recruiting class. However, I don't believe that teams like Illinois or Purdue are significantly more talented than us. Losing recruiting classes or not EMU is sure as hell not more talented than us. There's plenty of guys on our roster who had multiple P5 offers from Big Time programs. Our two receivers last year were on NFL practice squads. We had a few guys who were able to compete in the NFL at least as UFA. Should we beat Ohio State? No. But I also don't believe we have the absolute worst roster in the country either.
 

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Every weekend teams beat people they shouldn't. Every single weekend. That seems to NEVER happen at Rutgers. Have we ever upset anyone? Even Louisville while it was the biggest game in school history wasn't that big of an upset. People were predicting us to win.
If by "people" you mean experts that is one thing, if by "people" you mean posters on this board with thousands of posts that means absolutely nothing. We have many posters on this board that consistently predict anywhere from 7-11 win seasons every year. They have us bowling every year, beating every B1G school except maybe OSU. We have posters on this site that are some of the biggest homers in college football, they trash all but the most successful B1G programs and expect Rutgers by right to be able to out recruit almost every other school in the nation. General rule, with few exceptions, never listen to the predictions of anyone with over 10,000 posts on this site.
 
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I came into the game late. Is he a Babers recruit or was he already on the roster?

This is from memory, so apologize if I have a few facts wrong.

Dungey is from Oregon and only came east to Syracuse because it was his only P5 offer. He was a Scott Schaefer recruit. 2 years ago, Syracuse went through a number of different QBs, some crazy number like 4 or 5 different guys started, including Dungey as a true freshman. It was obvious from the beginning that he was good, but he was also a reckless runner and was injured and out for the year. Last year, he started the season, but was also injured and out for the year.

I think he is a junior. Syracuse expect he will play one more year and then Tom Devito takes over at QB.
 
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Devito is no shoe-in after Dungey is gone... Cuse also has a redshirt freshman named Culpepper who was highly touted and had offers from Miami, Va tech and Ohio St among others...
 

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Devito is no shoe-in after Dungey is gone... Cuse also has a redshirt freshman named Culpepper who was highly touted and had offers from Miami, Va tech and Ohio St among others...
Rex Culpepper, his father Brad played in the League and his brother committed to PSU this summer.