Isn't he doing what coaches (who are from older generation) do including Cal? Go to a better opportunity for themselves. Cal went from Mem to UK for a better opportunity
Charles Matthews Transferring?
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Know him well do ya? Or more likely just painting with a broad brush without knowing what the hell you are talking about.
Yeah, these 4: Galloway, Pilgrim, AJ Stewart, Donald Williams
Those guys can't be used in this discussion, in my opinion. They weren't Calipari recruits.
Dodson had off-court issues and was going to be gone after 1 year, either way. Poole might be an example, but he needed time (years) to be ready to contribute at an elite level. Harrow had some ability but mentally couldn't handle the pressure of leading a UK team. I would grant you Wiltjer. If he had come back, he had elite athletes at every position to compete with. But Wiltjer could have stayed and contributed because he had a skill that was needed, 3pt shooting. Matthews could claim he was recruited over, but that's only if you count Gabriel as a small forward. Otherwise, Matthews probably left because of the returnees more than the incoming recruits.
Edit: this past season was a golden opportunity for Matthews. Briscoe was playing out of position at the 3 and nobody else really stepped up. Matthews should be a true small forward but couldn't earn the spot. His issue isn't that he's been recruited over.
Harrow's problems were likely all related to his father's stroke and wanting to be near him. He did transfer to a school a stone's throw from his hometown. He didn't seem like a kid that would have been that way had his father not been going through that.
I don't know. He had some of the same problems at NC State. Not sure if that correlated to his dad's health or not, but missing games for undisclosed reasons had happened before he came to UK.
Me too. I really liked him. Versatile and great attitude. We will miss him.
Wasn't the reference to hostage taking as a result of Harrow? I don't know him so I have no clue about him personally but I thought that remark was directed at him.
he has the tools to be a good slasher and will improve on the above most likely, though his defense is his strong suit.
Playing at UK is tough for a guy like Matthews. Barring a major transformation in his skill, he won't be a coveted NBA prospect. Cal is going to bring in talented players every season who will compete for playing time. If he thinks it's a real possibility that he doesn't get major minutes during his entire career, then it may be better for him to transfer as soon as possible.
If it was all about making room then I figure there would be several options ahead of Matthews that would get told to leave first. Figure this is all about him wanting playing time and not wanting to wait around for several years before that might happen for him here. Can't blame him if that isn't something he wants to deal with, but at the same time Cal gets paid millions each year to put the best talent on the court.
It hurts to lose him for depth reasons at the wing, but no one was really expecting him to play any bigger role than he did this past season with the talent coming in.
It hurts to lose him for depth reasons at the wing, but no one was really expecting him to play any bigger role than he did this past season with the talent coming in.
Who raised millennials?
If it's a Duke fan, you've got a verified push out of Thornton - no speculation required.
If it's a Louisville fan, even if they're right (which I doubt - wouldn't you push out Mulder instead of the young four star in Matthews), just ask them to compare number of kids who've gotten the boot from Cal vs Pitino. Their list is about a billion times longer.
I remember I actually researched the transfer list of Louisville since Calipari arrived at UK and they have had like fourteen (14) transfers from players who were actually recruited by Pitino.
And we would have missed the tournament . I'm taking this one about as hard as I did the the Stacey Poole , Kevin Galloway , Matt Pilgrim transfers . And if he wants to be a scorer he better get his *** in the gym and fix that broken jump shot . Cause at this point he " might " be a " scorer " at the MAC or OVC level . He was in over his head rom day one .
I agree with you 99.9 % of the time . But I don't agree with your first statement . IMO .
Like Wiltjer, he's faced with not playing, but having the opportunity to improve his body and his game, and so he's chosen to not play and work on those same things elsewhere. I wish him well, but I fear his absence the season after this one will be felt.
Not the same at all. Wiltjer could play anywhere because he can shoot the ball from anywhere. Mathews options are very limited because he can't shoot the ball from anywhere.
I disagree KW left because he knew his playing time was going to be minimal and CM is leaving for the same reason. CM looks at who is coming in next year and realizes his minutes at guard will be limited so why not transfer to a team that he can get lots of PT after he sets out a year. KW went to a team he felt he could get lots of PT and he was correct.
Verified by who? Only thing I saw was an upset uncle crying about Thornton not being used like they wanted or like Duke said they would use him. So he's taking his balk and moving elsewhere. Please link that verification that Duke forced Thornton out there buddy.
BTFU, Duke fan. I'm not going around the internet to dig up links at your beck and call like a GD dog. That's not your place. If I were making some profound accusation about the moral fabric of your program, then maybe you'd have the slightest grounds to *much more politely* request citations or whatever, but this is a low level issue that broke open over a month ago and doesn't need your input at all. A set of circumstances that meets our threshold over here for a reasonable assumption about a rival school is certainly not going to satisfy a member of the fanbase who was hilariously trying to rationalize the damn Lance Thomas situation.
This is how message boards go. Sometimes fanbases have totally logical explanations that nobody else buys just because they're rivals (Camby at UMASS or why Duke didn't get hammered harder over Corey Maggette by the NCAA). Sometimes fans propagandize so hard that they'll believe something hugely irrational (see: UNC fans and Louisville fans currently). But you know where both of those things take place? At the home board. If you're coming onto rival turf and expect to get the homer-level burden of proof for a given accusation, and furthermore you're kind of a dick about it, you're in for an unpleasant surprise.
So you used what you want to believe what happened with Thornton/Duke as some sort of verification other than facts? OK...gotcha! I just asked for this verification Duke forced Thornton out...that's all.
I think the context for me and written by some, is how can you blame any of them for wanting more and looking elsewhere with all the big names coming in to the program year after year. The only difference in 2010 was as you said, they weren't Cal guys.
I can't tell you how little surprise I have at the fact that you don't understand the point.
There is only one set of facts, but there are varying burdens of proof - in fan debates, in court of law, in life in general. Unless you're ready to come over here as he who transcends such things by acknowledging that you should've been slammed by the NCAA in the Lance Thomas case by precedent (and no, the "he didn't incriminate himself" line doesn't work here, unless you will also state that Memphis's season should be restored), then you have nothing to say about low-level banter on rival boards.
I don't like losing players but I don't see too much in Matthews. He probably made a good choice for himself. He worked with a shooting coach before coming to UK and still couldn't shoot - at all. He is an athlete and I'd much rather have a basketball player take his scolly the next two years. I hope he does well and proves me wrong but I think him turning out like Poole is a more likely outcome. Next up.
Oh I get the point. That people just go along spouting off nonsense or believing whatever makes the coach/program look worse regardless if true or not. I see it on our board also.
No, you don't understand it, because there is a chasm of space between "believing whatever you want" and having a higher burden of proof between accusations thrown toward your coach/program/family/friends etc versus a rival or a stranger. The latter is just human nature, and it's arrogant and ridiculous of you to expect that to be thrown out for you. Just because a rival fan doesn't require your incredibly high Duke-tinted standard of what constitutes evidence to consider something a mark against K does not mean they're delusional. I don't expect rival fans to give Cal our degree of benefit of the doubt. That would be stupid.
And we could have done away with all of that if you were prepared to demonstrate that you were above these "sliding standards". All you had to do was to concede the Lance Thomas point and I was fully prepared to join you in that magical land where we attempt to evaluate all programs/coaches on an even playing field with regards to burden of proof. You chose not to. Presumably because of, again, your own bias which I and other non-Duke fans have no obligation to share.