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MGSA99

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1. LSU and tOSU are locks no matter what happens.
2. Clemson needs to win to get in. Losing to a big underdog in Virginia will drop them out of the top 4.
3. Georgia is in with a win.
4. Utah needs to win big and hope #2 & #3 don't happen.
5. The Oklahoma/Baylor winner also need to win big and hope none of the top 3 happen.
6. B12 winner and Utah (assuming they win) are in should Clemson AND Georgia lose. If there is a Clemson/Georgia split, Oklahoma will likely get in over Utah instead of Baylor.
 
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jay_hq

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Mr_Twister said:
Innocent question - why not Utah?
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I don't know TBH. I have seen 0 pac12 games this season.

Ever since conference realignment and the conferences having their own networks I dont see many pac12 games on TV. Unless, that is, if USC is highly ranked and pops up on ABC.
 
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buffalochicken21

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bac2therac said:
because I think the level of play in Pac 12 is crap

Okie will get it if they beat Baylor
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Big question is what if Baylor beats Oklahoma, (and Georgia obviously loses). The committee will not like having to put in a Utah or a Baylor.

I actually think there's nothing Utah can do to get in. It's either Oklahoma, Georgia, or the outcome the committee doesn't want, Baylor.
 
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wisr01

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DJ Spanky said:
Just needs recalibration.
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krup

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buffalochicken21 said:
Big question is what if Baylor beats Oklahoma, (and Georgia obviously loses). The committee will not like having to put in a Utah or a Baylor.

I actually think there's nothing Utah can do to get in. It's either Oklahoma, Georgia, or the outcome the committee doesn't want, Baylor.
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I think the opposite. Given the choice between Baylor/Oklahoma and Utah, I think the committee will take Utah to combat the criticism of the playoff as being too regional. They will view it as the perfect opportunity to include the PAC12 (because they won’t be doing it at the expense of an SEC team).
 
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sherrane

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MGSA99 said:
1. LSU and tOSU are locks no matter what happens.
2. Clemson needs to win to get in. Losing to a big underdog in Virginia will drop them out of the top 4.
3. Georgia is in with a win.
4. Utah needs to win big and hope #2 & #3 don't happen.
5. The Oklahoma/Baylor winner also need to win big and hope none of the top 3 happen.
6. B12 winner and Utah (assuming they win) are in should Clemson AND Georgia lose. If there is a Clemson/Georgia split, Oklahoma will likely get in over Utah instead of Baylor.
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I disagree wither Ohio State or LSU is a lock. I believe the only way we see either Ohio State or LSU loss on Saturday while still making the playoffs would be with either an Oregon win or a Virginia win. That is because it will force the committee into setting a precedent.
  1. No team has lost their Conference Championship Game and still made the playoffs.
  2. No two-loss team has ever made the playoffs
  3. No G5 team has ever made the playoffs.
Consider what the standings will likely be tomorrow evening:
  1. Ohio State, 12-0
  2. LSU, 12-0
  3. Clemson, 12-0
  4. Georgia, 11-1
  5. Utah, 11-1
  6. Oklahoma, 11-1
  7. Baylor, 11-1
 
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cicero grimes

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sherrane said:
I disagree wither Ohio State or LSU is a lock. I believe the only way we see either Ohio State or LSU loss on Saturday while still making the playoffs would be with either an Oregon win or a Virginia win. That is because it will force the committee into setting a precedent.
  1. No team has lost their Conference Championship Game and still made the playoffs.
  2. No two-loss team has ever made the playoffs
  3. No G5 team has ever made the playoffs.
Consider what the standings will likely be tomorrow evening:
  1. Ohio State, 12-0
  2. LSU, 12-0
  3. Clemson, 12-0
  4. Georgia, 11-1
  5. Utah, 11-1
  6. Oklahoma, 11-1
  7. Baylor, 11-1
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What happens if 4,5,&6 all lose? Is it Baylor or does Bama jump em?
 
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sherrane

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krup said:
I think the opposite. Given the choice between Baylor/Oklahoma and Utah, I think the committee will take Utah to combat the criticism of the playoff as being too regional. They will view it as the perfect opportunity to include the PAC12 (because they won’t be doing it at the expense of an SEC team).
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There is a chance that Oklahoma jumps Utah tomorrow because Oklahoma beat ranked Oklahoma State while Utah beat 5-7 Colorado. I think 12-1 Utah makes it before 12-1 Baylor does, but 12-1 Oklahoma makes it before 12-1 Utah.
 
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sherrane

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cicero grimes said:
What happens if 4,5,&6 all lose? Is it Baylor or does Bama jump em?
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I think they put Baylor in over a 2-loss Alabama (who would be the first 2- loss team to make it). The only 1-loss conference champions who failed to make it was Big 12 co-champs 11-1 TCU and 11-1 Baylor in 2014 (12-1 Alabama, 12-1 Oregon, 13-0 Florida State, and 12-1 Ohio State) and 12-1 Ohio State last year (13-0 Alabama, 13-0 Clemson, 12-1 Oklahoma, and 12-0 Notre Dame). Ohio State is the only 12 win P5 Champion to get left out.
 
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cicero grimes

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sherrane said:
I think they put Baylor in over a 2-loss Alabama (who would be the first 2- loss team to make it). The only 1-loss conference champions who failed to make it was Big 12 co-champs 11-1 TCU and 11-1 Baylor in 2014 (12-1 Alabama, 12-1 Oregon, 13-0 Florida State, and 12-1 Ohio State) and 12-1 Ohio State last year (13-0 Alabama, 13-0 Clemson, 12-1 Oklahoma, and 12-0 Notre Dame). Ohio State is the only 12 win P5 Champion to get left out.
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The Baylor thing will be interesting and I am actually rooting for it. If they win and GA and UT lose and still get left out, I worry about the non blue bloods (Rutgers, yea I know but you can always hope) ever getting a shot.
 
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krup

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sherrane said:
There is a chance that Oklahoma jumps Utah tomorrow because Oklahoma beat ranked Oklahoma State while Utah beat 5-7 Colorado. I think 12-1 Utah makes it before 12-1 Baylor does, but 12-1 Oklahoma makes it before 12-1 Utah.
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I think both Baylor and Oklahoma have better resumes, but Utah has looked more dominant.
The committee has been so inconsistent that they have valued each of those qualifications more highly than the other at different times.
 
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DJ Spanky

DJ Spanky

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sherrane said:
Consider what the standings will likely be tomorrow evening:
  1. Ohio State, 12-0
  2. LSU, 12-0
  3. Clemson, 12-0
  4. Georgia, 11-1
  5. Utah, 11-1
  6. Oklahoma, 11-1
  7. Baylor, 11-1
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Appalachian State and Boise State are really getting screwed here: they're both 11-1!
 
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sherrane

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cicero grimes said:
The Baylor thing will be interesting and I am actually rooting for it. If they win and GA and UT lose and still get left out, I worry about the non blue bloods (Rutgers, yea I know but you can always hope) ever getting a shot.
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I stated earlier that Alabama getting in would set a precedent of allowing a 2-loss team in. The committee broke the precedent of only taking Conference champions when they selected 11-1 Ohio State over 11-2 Penn State, 10-2 Oklahoma, and 13-0 Western Michigan in 2016. In other words, they chose to break the non-champion precedent over the 2-loss champion precedent and G5 champion precedent. The following year they reinforced that by taking 11-1 Alabama over 11-2 Ohio State, 11-2 USC, as well as 12-0 UCF. Alabama defeating Auburn would have absolutely gotten them into the playoffs over the SEC Championship Game loser in my opinion. I think we need some craziness to happen on Saturday for Alabama to get in, but I believe Alabama will be the team most likely to break a precedent. Clemson, Georgia, and Utah have to lose. This would mean Ohio State, LSU, and OU/Baylor are in with the 4th choice being a G5 champ (Memphis) with 1 loss, a championship game loser (Clemson, Georgia), or a 2-loss team (Alabama, Georgia, Oregon, OU/Baylor loser), which I can see Alabama winning the spot.
 
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sherrane

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krup said:
I think both Baylor and Oklahoma have better resumes, but Utah has looked more dominant.
The committee has been so inconsistent that they have valued each of those qualifications more highly than the other at different times.
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Agreed. Like Clemson, Utah has not defeated a team this year who is currently ranked. They lost to (now) #24 USC back in September. Both Clemson and Utah are 10-0 in games decided by more than three scores (17 points or more). Their records are much more likely a reflection of their schedule rather than the strength of the team.

However, there are only two teams who are currently ranked in the Big 12 and neither team played a ranked team OOC (Oklahoma defeated Houston, South Dakota, and UCLA while Baylor defeated Stephen F Austin, UTSA, and Rice). A Baylor win and both teams complete the season with a 1-1 record against ranked teams as Utah will if they win. The Big 12 did appear to be the stronger conference this season, which is why they should get the spot vacated by the SEC Championship Game loser.
 
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Nosoj

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BeantownKnight said:
So, tOSU would be tied for best in the country if its defense gave up 21 fewer points this season. Hmmmm ... to whom did they give up 21 points?
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Personally I'd rather eliminate the 27 we gave up Saturday to be #1. :Wink:
 
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OTBOTOR

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Semifinals will come down to:
1. North Dakota State
2. James Madison
3. Montana
4. Sac State
Oh, I went with the real college football playoff :Laughing
 
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Bagarocks

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Jun 25, 2006
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Yesterday mark packer show. He gave a stat of wins and loses since 2013.

Top 3
#1 Alabama
#2 Clemson
#3 Ohio st.
They all had 80 plus wins no one had more than 7 losses
ELITE !
 
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