Catholics vs. Convicts 30 for 30

[Crimedog2]

Anyone check it out yet? As a kid that grew up in the 80s and 90s I was a front running Miami fan, also rooting for ru of course. I did root for Rutgers when we started playing them in 92 or so. Had the Miami starter jacket and still have a Ray Lewis hurricanes jersey somewhere.
The 30 for 30 was very good, although it was directed by a ND guy and had a definite pro-ND slant. They made the tony rice prop 48 thing seem like this was something notre dame would do once lol. Holier than everyone else notre dame.
Anyway it was a great rivalry and great game. As I was watching it I was still hoping walsh's 2-point play would be caught and notre dame would go down.

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

I thought it was good(ESPN 30 for 30's have been so good, always expect more). I knew a lot of the game, Tony Rice etc. I did not know all about the T-shirt business and thought that was a really cool part of the story. Guy had 30K in a brief case!!

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Miami's teams was everything that was/is wrong with college sports. There will always be schools that cheat(pay parents/players) to get the best players.

Of course, this type of thing has been around since the 1900's. Where top schools would get professional football players to sign up for classes, which they never went to, play on the team and drop out when the season was over. The term back then was ringers. UND, UC, and Ivy League schools were infamous for this. At the end UC closed their football program and left the Big Ten. The Ivy league schools stop using ringers and also stop winning national championships. They used to be like the SEC but now they won't even play in the FCS tournament. UND clean up their act, but they couldn't win without cheating and taking shortcuts.

Rutgers refuse to cheat so instead of trying to keep up with these teams they drop out in the 1930's and decided to only play smaller local schools that also agree not to cheat. They still kept playing big football powers like Princeton and NYU as their rivals were grandfathered in. In reality those two games paid for the full year's budget of the football program. Rutgers couldn't afford to drop them.

Like UC, NYU drop their football program as well in the 1950's as well as most of their sports, including Men's LAX was was the 1st Men's LAX team ever and Men's basketball which was a power house at one point.

 

[Crimedog2]

Miami's teams was everything that was/is wrong with college sports. There will always be schools that cheat(pay parents/players) to get the best players.

Of course, this type of thing has been around since the 1900's. Where top schools would get professional football players to sign up for classes, which they never went to, play on the team and drop out when the season was over. The term back then was ringers. UND, UC, and Ivy League schools were infamous for this. At the end UC closed their football program and left the Big Ten. The Ivy league schools stop using ringers and also stop winning national championships. They used to be like the SEC but now they won't even play in the FCS tournament. UND clean up their act, but they couldn't win without cheating and taking shortcuts.

Rutgers refuse to cheat so instead of trying to keep up with these teams they drop out in the 1930's and decided to only play smaller local schools that also agree not to cheat. They still kept playing big football powers like Princeton and NYU as their rivals were grandfathered in. In reality those two games paid for the full year's budget of the football program. Rutgers couldn't afford to drop them.

Like UC, NYU drop their football program as well in the 1950's as well as most of their sports, including Men's LAX was was the 1st Men's LAX team ever and Men's basketball which was a power house at one point.

Basically any good program cheats to some extent. The guy that built our program and got us into the BIG came from guess where? ....Miami.

Did you watch the show? That's what this thread was about.

 

[tico brown]

Like Notre Dame had all choir boys and Rhodes Scholars on that team playing Miami.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Basically any good program cheats to some extent. The guy that built our program and got us into the BIG came from guess where? ....Miami.

Did you watch the show? That's what this thread was about.

I watched it, Miami was shady AF, it really jumps out. Thus the convicts name, that and all of the arrests and bad behavior. It reminded me that they were a pseudo professional team during that era.

 

[aplus29]

and I don't think the Notre Dame AD ever apologized for the T-shirts ala Julie Herman and Ball-less Barchi

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

and I don't think the Notre Dame AD ever apologized for the T-shirts ala Julie Herman and Ball-less Barchi

Different time

 

[Caliknight]

Miami was no different than ND.

Their PR was different though.

 

[LC-88]

I got married on 20OCT90. Catholics vs. Convicts III. One of my buddies in the wedding party was a hardcord ND fan. He kept skipping off to the bar during the reception to get the score. pre-cell phone days.

 

[mdk02]

Like UC, NYU drop their football program as well in the 1950's as well as most of their sports, including Men's LAX was was the 1st Men's LAX team ever

Before Hopkins?

and Men's basketball which was a power house at one point.

I think the BB program got shut down after the point shaving scandals of the late 50's/early 60's[/quote]

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Before Hopkins?

The first intercollegiate game in the United States was played on November 22, 1877 between New York University and Manhattan College.

JHU MLAX was founded in 1883.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_lacrosse#History_of_college_lacrosse

 

[newell138]

I watched and thought it was well done. Typical shady priest though, took the kids $36K he made selling shirts as a punishment. Would love to know where that money ended up, chances are the priest was driving a new caddy the following semester.

 

[RUinsane]

I got married on 20OCT90. Catholics vs. Convicts. One of my buddies in the wedding party was a hardcord ND fan. He kept skipping off to the bar during the reception to get the score. pre-cell phone days.

Except the Catholic vs Convicts game was in 1988. I'm sure ND played Miami in 1990. But that is not the game that was featured in the documentary.

 

[e5fdny]

I watched and thought it was well done. Typical shady priest though, took the kids $36K he made selling shirts as a punishment. Would love to know where that money ended up, chances are the priest was driving a new caddy the following semester.

I seem to recall the Walsh guy mentioning it was a dean or administrator at the school but I don't remember saying the person was a priest? Maybe I missed that part.

 

[newell138]

I seem to recall the Walsh guy mentioning it was a dean or administrator at the school but I don't remember saying the person was a priest? Maybe I missed that part.

I thought he said he brought it to the rectory but maybe I'm confusing it w/ where he stashed it.

 

[tico brown]

Miami was no different than ND.

Their PR was different though.

ND is no different than Miami. They didn't start winning again in the 80s until Holtz started getting more of the so called Miami type players. But of course, they're AMERICA'S HOLY TEAM.

 

[LC-88]

Except the Catholic vs Convicts game was in 1988. I'm sure ND played Miami in 1990. But that is not the game that was featured in the documentary.

Thanks. Fixed it.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Miami and Domers were emblematic of all that was wrong with college football. The only difference was UM had more press and ND had better P.R. But, they were both corrupt as heck.

It was one of the worst officiated games ever..... I hate Miami - but they were robbed on that one......

 

[RUinsane]

What pisses me off in the documentary is how they want you to feel sympathetic because Gerry Faust got blown out in his last game. Was Faust apologetic when he beat Purdue 52-6 in 1983. That is the hypocritical aspect that kills me. They never have and never will see any flaw in their actions.

 

[Saint Puppy]

Really one of those subjects you can't blow because it's so interesting.....felt it was a little choppy and should have been 2 different 30 for 30s (one with the shirts and one with the game)

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

I always rooted for Miami over ND

 

[RUchip]

I watched and thought it was well done. Typical shady priest though, took the kids $36K he made selling shirts as a punishment. Would love to know where that money ended up, chances are the priest was driving a new caddy the following semester.

I don't recall him saying he kept it. He stored it in his safe during the game.

 

[17Q66]

They both suck.

Also: Greg Schiano got Rutgers into the Big Ten? BWAHAHAHAHA!

 

[BrickyardGreen]

In 2016, notre dame is definitely on the convicts side of the equation. Starting with their dirt bag coach through many of the players.

 

[BoroKnight]

I think that was the first time I rooted for Notre Dame.

Last time, too.