Can't have it both ways JoMo

[NWARdog]

Sub Par results with a loaded team last year and you use the excuse that you have sub par results this year because of losing 3 first rounders and tutor gate. You didn't excel last year with players that should have given us 10+ wins.
If you had beaten Florida and Iowa last year, this might be going a little better for you. I'm more pissed about last years results and it spilling over to this year when I see little to no game plan/ no players being developed/ delay of game penalties and our constant desire for players to be "chirpy" after each play. I suppose 3.2 mm a year and a contract extension doesn't get you the little things. Hail State.

 

[fishwater99]

I agree, last year was way more disappointing.

 

[WutheringDawg]

I know it’s more than just perception because there were some big time duds last season, but we’re an Osiris Mitchell drop vs Florida and a Guidry butterfingers TD-to-INT tip drill away from a completely different attitude from the fanbase.

 

[paindonthurt_]

We didn’t have sub par results on D last year.

We had sub par results with a QB that didn’t fit Joe’s system and not much help from receivers.

2 plays from being 10 and 3. 2 or 3 more from being 11 and 2.

And as far as Joe changing his offense to fit fitz? Well that just puts the rest of the personnel behind again the next year on learning the offense we hired Joe to run. You know? The one that could stretch the field against Bama and the other elite teams?

 

[tired]

Stretch the field against Bama? You forget these *******?

 

[57stratdawg]

I agree. He’s paying for last year’s sins to some degree.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Losing your best player on defense and your best DL hurts big time. That’s not an excuse, especially considering DL depth.

 

[WutheringDawg]

I almost started a thread about it but figured it wouldn’t generate good discussion. I really think that there is a segment of the fanbase that will never be able to forgive Moorhead for 2018.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I almost started a thread about it but figured it wouldn’t generate good discussion. I really think that there is a segment of the fanbase that will never be able to forgive Moorhead for 2018.

I feel like he would be forgiven, say if he was to win the rest of his tossups and beat A&M and OM. But if he doesn’t beat A&M it’s like he will always be chasing that one win to get him over the hump.

 

[philduckworth]

I could forgive him for 2018 if I thought he was the right guy for the MSU job. But alas, I don't.

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

I was pretty disappointed last year. We were close in a couple of those losses. Kentucky just flat beat our a$$es. I hoped we would perform better on offense last year. I halfway expected this year to be down but not quite this bad. But I'm still optimistic about the future and expect to be seeing a better product the next 2 years. I hope anyway

 

[guy from tweeter]

The problem with this line of thinking

Sub Par results with a loaded team last year and you use the excuse that you have sub par results this year because of losing 3 first rounders and tutor gate. You didn't excel last year with players that should have given us 10+ wins.
If you had beaten Florida and Iowa last year, this might be going a little better for you. I'm more pissed about last years results and it spilling over to this year when I see little to no game plan/ no players being developed/ delay of game penalties and our constant desire for players to be "chirpy" after each play. I suppose 3.2 mm a year and a contract extension doesn't get you the little things. Hail State.

The problem is last year's Las Vegas win total for MSU was 8 - which is exactly what JoMo won. He could have definitely OVERACHIEVED and won 9/10/11 but because he didn't hit the sixpack consensus 10-2 preseason predictions we are supposed to act like he really underachieved. GTFO with that. Impartial talent schedule analysis predicted 8. Again, we could and should have overachieved but holding JoMo in the perpetual doghouse over not hitting our wooly projections seems dumb.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

The problem is last year's Las Vegas win total for MSU was 8 - which is exactly what JoMo won. He could have definitely OVERACHIEVED and won 9/10/11 but because he didn't hit the sixpack consensus 10-2 preseason predictions we are supposed to act like he really underachieved. GTFO with that. Impartial talent schedule analysis predicted 8. Again, we could and should have overachieved but holding JoMo in the perpetual doghouse over not hitting our wooly projections seems dumb.

Vegas had us favored in 10 games.

 

[57stratdawg]

I agree to somewhat, but he's not doing any favors with his 2019 product. If we were playing clean ball with Shrader looking promising, but sporting a 3-2 record because the D couldn't stop much - that seems reasonable.

The problem is the 3 turnover home loss to Kansas State in 2019 feels as frustrating as the 16 penalty loss in Lexington last year.

 

[philduckworth]

The problem is last year's Las Vegas win total for MSU was 8 - which is exactly what JoMo won. He could have definitely OVERACHIEVED and won 9/10/11 but because he didn't hit the sixpack consensus 10-2 preseason predictions we are supposed to act like he really underachieved. GTFO with that. Impartial talent schedule analysis predicted 8. Again, we could and should have overachieved but holding JoMo in the perpetual doghouse over not hitting our wooly projections seems dumb.

It was 8.5 at the lowest point. Everyone who took MSU and the over, lost.

 

[NWARdog]

The problem is last year's Las Vegas win total for MSU was 8 - which is exactly what JoMo won. He could have definitely OVERACHIEVED and won 9/10/11 but because he didn't hit the sixpack consensus 10-2 preseason predictions we are supposed to act like he really underachieved. GTFO with that. Impartial talent schedule analysis predicted 8. Again, we could and should have overachieved but holding JoMo in the perpetual doghouse over not hitting our wooly projections seems dumb.

Not holding anyone in the doghouse. Just tired of hearing we are playing with our hands tied behind our back this year while last year we certainly should have had a better check in the win column.
Just looking at it as it is this year: we had zero room for injuries and tutor gate suspensions. Given that a understandable slide. we should be able to at least get the ball off on the first series at Auburn. We appear to be unorganized and discipline is at a low. Can't have the unsportsmanlike hits like last week. I didn't like the targeting call but the out of bounds tackle was absurd.

Beat Florida and Iowa last year and maybe he kool aide isn't as sour this year given our circumstances.

I will say this: I haven't liked the hire from day one but I still support the Bulldogs. I hope he does well going forward. Hail State

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

Last year sucked. We should have won a couple more games no doubt. 10 was achievable. This year is totally not his fault. If you look at the roster and who we are putting on the field every week you will see we are playing far too many freshmen and rs freshmen to win. I do have trouble figuring out why we have a least 2 guys get injured every game but I guess that's just our luck. No depth, limited experience, suspensions, and then guys get hurt too ??? Very frustrating. I sure hope we get to see Mayden play some this year. I'm all for prepping for next year at this point.

 

[Seinfeld]

And then there’s the whole fact that his post-Fitz offense is not in fact any better than last year. Some fans are just looking for Ws, others are looking for him to show us what he was brought here to do. 18 games in, we’re getting neither

 

[gymdawg.sixpack]

Dude could have ran the ball on every play vs uf and uk and wed have been 10-2. We should have been 10-2

 

[WutheringDawg]

I had a nice response typed up but the dang website times out on me. Too lazy to retype everything but the gist is, the offense is better than last year. There’s a lot of static with the overall game/experience that is masking some of it but improvement is there.

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

I think the passing game has improved and that is a necessity and improved the offense as a whole but at the same time I think we tried and failed to institute a passing game last year. A more Mullenesque offense would have won one or two additional games last year I think. I love Fitz but he and the receivers couldn't get on the same page.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

I had a nice response typed up but the dang website times out on me. Too lazy to retype everything but the gist is, the offense is better than last year. There’s a lot of static with the overall game/experience that is masking some of it but improvement is there.

I posted yesterday showing statistical numbers that we really aren’t better offensively. As a matter of fact our regression from Mullen’s last two years has us about 30 spots behind in total offense. Mullen in year two using Croom players mind you had us up almost 70 spots in total offense. That’s what real progress looks like. I’m not expecting that kind of jump but Moorhead should have us still in at least the 40s in total offense if not better if he is going to get us to this promiseland of beating the elite teams. He is going in the wrong direction if that’s the case.

 

[Shamoan]

At some point, you weigh what he has done with what he inherited against his on-field performance. It’s been bad and we are headed for worse, the stench of his ******** is driving a spike of apathy through my football soul.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

I think the passing game has improved and that is a necessity and improved the offense as a whole but at the same time I think we tried and failed to institute a passing game last year. A more Mullenesque offense would have won one or two additional games last year I think. I love Fitz but he and the receivers couldn't get on the same page.

We are 12th in the SEC in passing

 

[WutheringDawg]

And we were 13th in 2018 and we were 14th in Dan’s final year. Conference ranking aside, we’re putting up better passing stats with a freshman QB, you don’t have to count that as improvement but I choose to do so. Shrader and this offense will continue to improve.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

And we were 13th in 2018 and we were 14th in Dan’s final year. Conference ranking aside, we’re putting up better passing stats with a freshman QB, you don’t have to count that as improvement but I choose to do so. Shrader and this offense will continue to improve.

Guess it depends on what site you look on espn passing had us a 12th this year 13th last year 12th in 2017 and 9th in 2016 and 2nd in 2015 our best year passing in last decade.

Look, I’m hoping it does improve with Shrader as a freshmen I like the guy. I think he has a great shot of being a really great qb for us. Moorhead is a like able guy in person. I’m just saying based on statistics the offense is about the same in Moorhead era but overall total offense is regressing from the Mullen era. Lot of season left. Some bad defenses and some good ones left. We will see what he does.

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

Good grief

Dude could have ran the ball on every play vs uf and uk and wed have been 10-2. We should have been 10-2

Gotta love revisionist history:

At UK:
Aeris - 8 car, 22 yds, 2.8 ypc
Fitz - 16 car, 20 yds, 1.2 ypc
Hill - 4 car, 14 yds, 3.5 ypc
Total - 28 car, 56 yds, 2 ypcs

vs. Fla:
Hill - 9 car, 41 yds, 4.6 ypc
Fitz - 20 car, 32 yds, 1.6 ypc
Aeris - 3 car, 31 yds, 10.3 ypc
Total - 32 car, 104 yds, 3.25 ypc

You MIGHT be able to make a case for beating UF if you can reasonably make the case that the additional carries went to Hill or Aeris. However, since in both of these games, Nick had more carries than both RBs combined, it would be tough. Nick's sizzling 1.6 ypc tells me running more ain't beating UF. And we did have 32 runs vs 26 passes, so we were 55/45 run pass.

Ain't no way in hell we were beating UK by running more at 2 ypc. Everyone needs to get over the UK loss. Mullen would have gotten his *** kicked at UK last year too. It was a f'ing monsoon, their stadium & fans were jacked up that night, their defense was damn good last year as was their OL and their star RB. It was a perfect storm pardon the pun and we lost.

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

Compared to last year we have a better completion rate. Shradrers first game he was 77%. Name another game we had a better completion percentage. Any year.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Compared to last year we have a better completion rate. Shradrers first game he was 77%. Name another game we had a better completion percentage. Any year.

that's good that he is that accurate this early. I hope it turns in to points and yards to move our total offense forward and scoring offense forward. Doesn't matter if we are completing more passes if we aren't wracking up yards, moving the ball down the field, and putting the ball in the endzone successfully.

And to answer your question Dak Prescott 90% Northwestern State 2015. He also had a 76% percent game against arkansas with 50 attempts.

Shrader was 17-22 against Kentucky which is very impressive for freshmen in his first actual start in an SEC game. Tommy has a better overall percentage at 61% this season. Shrader is sitting at 58%. Nick sat at 54% for his career. Dak was 66% his last year and for a career was 61.6% passing. So the passing overall is around or near our qb's for the last 5 years. Shrader is closer to Dak percentage wise than Nick, but we all knew Nick wasn't a passer. He did pretty good given his abilities to be at 54%. you have credit his enormous amount of rushing yards and total offense. So right now our percentage is slightly better this year with Shrader and Stevens but not by much.

Adding in that all three of Dak, Fitz, and Shrader have impressive rushing numbers to add to their passing for total offense. Dak had 12 games for where he rushed for over 100 yards. Nick had 20 games of over 100 yards. Shrader already has 1. Nick averaged 213.34 total yards per game. Dak averaged 313 total yards per game. Right now Shrader is at 205 per game. That's counting all games played for all three qbs. I know Shrader is just a freshmen and only has 4 games so he should have a lot improvement.

little look past 4 years of our offense
2019: 191.8/game passing, 206.2/game rushing, 30.2 points/game, 3rd down conversion 37% ranking 89th, total offense rank 79 at 398/gm
2018: 173.8/game passing, 223.6/game rushing, 28.5 points/game, 3rd down conversion 41% ranking 48th, total offense rank 70 at 397.4/gm
2017:168/game passing, 251/game rushing, 32 points/game, 3rd down conversion 46% ranking 8th, total offense rank 46 at 418.6/gm
2016: 209/game passing, 230/game passing. 30.4 points/game, 3rd down conversion 40% ranking 63rd, total offense rank 44 at 440.2/gm

i'm just looking at the trends for overall offense. passing completion and efficiency appear to be up that's about it and it's up by very little on average. I hope that he continues to improve that to get it in the mid 60s on average and i would like to see our numbers get up in the mid 400s total offense or higher. right now the numbers trend for overall offense is not great. It's not absolutely terrible, but not great either.