Can we stop the elder abuse and

[WVUCOOPER]

wrong see below. Page 12...

Supervision, Oversight, and Final Decisionmaking Power
As to the first and second factors emphasized by Edmond, the Acting Attorney General

establishes the parameters of the Special Counsel’s investigation at its outset, and Department of Justice policies frame the investigation as it proceeds. The investigation only comes into existence by the action of the Acting Attorney General, 28 C.F.R. § 600.1, and the Acting Attorney General defines the scope of the Special Counsel’s “jurisdiction,” id. § 600.4(a). The Special Counsel may request “additional jurisdiction,” but only the Acting Attorney General can grant the request. Id. § 600.4(b). Also, throughout the investigation, the Special Counsel “shall consult with appropriate offices within the Department for guidance with respect to established practices, policies and procedures.” Id. § 600.7(a). This consultation requirement affords the Acting Attorney General the opportunity to exert his supervisory powers, which will be discussed further below.

Not wrong Rosenstein legally could amend the scope if he chose to, not Mueller. There was no need to amend the scope to include the Steele dossier, since it was already under review.

 

[atlkvb]

Not wrong Rosenstein legally could amend the scope if he chose to, not Mueller. There was no need to amend the scope to include the Steele dossier, since it was already under review.

If it was under review, why didn't it attract Mueller's attention or make it into his final report in terms of who was behind it or where it came from? Why the lack of interest behind its "Russian influences"?

 

[TarHeelEer]

She received election help from foreign governments? Impeach her and lock her up.

Yes, she did.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Yes, she did.

Nice. Let's indict her and lock her away for good.

 

[Pospecteer]

Not wrong Rosenstein legally could amend the scope if he chose to, not Mueller. There was no need to amend the scope to include the Steele dossier, since it was already under review.

that's opinion and in no way forbids them from investigating...

 

[Gunny46]

Not wrong Rosenstein legally could amend the scope if he chose to, not Mueller. There was no need to amend the scope to include the Steele dossier, since it was already under review.

Dosen't matter they are in deep trouble.

Information was never verified by the source.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/steele-information-dossier/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/

Information was never verified by the FBI.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...ier-not-verified-before-or-after-fisa-warrant

Information was not verified by Mueller.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...roving-final-fisa-warrant-against-carter-page

This matters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...lied-info-used-meeting-russians-trump-n819526

WASHINGTON — The information that a Russian lawyer brought with her when she met Donald Trump Jr. in June 2016 stemmed from research conducted by Fusion GPS, the same firm that compiled the infamous Trump dossier, according to the lawyer and a source familiar with the matter.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/429292-the-case-for-russia-collusion-against-the-democrats

The case for Russia collusion … against the Democrats

Currently an investigation is being conducted on FISA warrant abuse.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/re...-probe-agree-to-talk-to-doj-inspector-general

Reluctant witnesses in FISA abuse probe agree to talk to DOJ inspector general


Carter Page spied on never charged.
George Poponapolis spied on charge with one count off lying. No other crimes.
Paul Manafort charge with tax evasion from years ago. Worked with Podesta Group.

Best for last. Notice how far right NPR uses the word investigate.



U.S. Attorney John Durham To Investigate Origins Of The Russia Probe

 

[Pospecteer]

Not wrong Rosenstein legally could amend the scope if he chose to, not Mueller. There was no need to amend the scope to include the Steele dossier, since it was already under review.

You have been saying that the scope did not include the Steele Dossier and therefore they could not investigate it. Now it is proven via a legal determination that they chould have amended the jurisdiction without public notification. Now, you are switching gear and saying that an investigation was already happening/competed and they could not investigate. Both are false. They could have, should have, but choose not too.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

that's opinion and in no way forbids them from investigating...

It actually does.

 

[mneilmont]

I can't understand why that dossier and/or Steele were of zero interest to Mueller when Russians were linked to both? Can you explain that? I can't.

Only explanation I can offer for any of the comedy of errors is the desire to seat Hillary. Even some of the Trump leading people actually want Hillary. Until this week, and longer into the future, they have a strong belief that she will make it. That is the only way I can explain any of the loose investigations. The thing goes on and appears 97+ believe if they stop govt frome otherwise functioning, Trump can be nullified.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

You have been saying that the scope did not include the Steele Dossier and therefore they could not investigate it. Now it is proven via a legal determination that they chould have amended the jurisdiction without public notification. Now, you are switching gear and saying that an investigation was already happening/competed and they could not investigate. Both are false. They could have, should have, but choose not too.

Rosenstein could, not the SC office. I am not switching gears, I have said all along ITT that it was being investigated elsewhere in the DOJ. Haul him in front of Congress and ask.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Information was never verified by the source.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/steele-information-dossier/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/

Information was never verified by the FBI.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...ier-not-verified-before-or-after-fisa-warrant

Information was not verified by Mueller.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...roving-final-fisa-warrant-against-carter-page

Best for last.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...lied-info-used-meeting-russians-trump-n819526

WASHINGTON — The information that a Russian lawyer brought with her when she met Donald Trump Jr. in June 2016 stemmed from research conducted by Fusion GPS, the same firm that compiled the infamous Trump dossier, according to the lawyer and a source familiar with the matter.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/429292-the-case-for-russia-collusion-against-the-democrats

The case for Russia collusion … against the Democrats

Currently an investigation is being conducted on FISA warrant abuse.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/re...-probe-agree-to-talk-to-doj-inspector-general

Reluctant witnesses in FISA abuse probe agree to talk to DOJ inspector general


Carter Page spied on never charged.
George Poponapolis spied on charge with one count off lying. No other crimes.
Paul Manafort charge with tax evasion from years ago. Worked with Podesta Group.

All of that typing for something completely different from what is going on ITT. Bravo!

 

[Gunny46]

All of that typing for something completely different from what is going on ITT. Bravo!

They are facts you ignore because it points out your conversation is irrelevant. Nothing but spin.

 

[Pospecteer]

It actually does.

you keep quoting the following:

any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

but always leave 2 and 3 out, why is that?...this is how they went after Concord, Manafort and Cohen. Is this a, it depends on what the word "and" means?

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).”

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Facts you ignore because it points out your conversation is irrelevant. Nothing but spin.

Bombarding opinion leaks and propaganda videos is not factual and has nothing to do with what is being discussed ITT. When the reports are released and indictments start flowing on the dossier, investigation beginnings, etc - we can talk about facts.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

you keep quoting the following:

any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

but always leave 2 and 3 out, why is that?...this is how they went after Concord, Manafort and Cohen. Is this a, it depends on what the word "and" means?

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).”

I've listed them. And I linked to the court documents explaining them. The Manafort judge ruled the same way. I think maybe both judges did. The SC did not prosecute Cohen, SDNY did.

 

[Pospecteer]

I've listed them. And I linked to the court documents explaining them. The Manafort judge ruled the same way. I think maybe both judges did. The SC did not prosecute Cohen, SDNY did.

Which goes to ii and iii. You still have not proven that the SC could not have investigated the Steele Dossier. We know they didn't but it's pretty clear they could have.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Now google how disinformation works. Putin worked for the KGB not McDonalds. You have no idea what he really thinks. Some us are old enough to remember how much money Russia gave to the Clinton Foundation ? Putin said. [pfftt]

Wow.....sometimes I think you can think for yourself and then you decide to bring up the Clintons..... not sure what that has to do with the facts I noted though. The clintons did it so it makes it ok if trump does it. That’s some warped logic. How about nobody does it???? Have you thought of that approach?

 

[Gunny46]

Bombarding opinion leaks and propaganda videos is not factual and has nothing to do with what is being discussed ITT. When the reports are released and indictments start flowing on the dossier, investigation beginnings, etc - we can talk about facts.

Lol ... They are facts. CNN, NPR, The Hill, Fox News. You ignore it because you want grave a hold of something and spine into why we must keep impeachment alive. So you ignore the big picture. It's over.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Which goes to ii and iii. You still have not proven that the SC could not have investigated the Steele Dossier. We know they didn't but it's pretty clear they could have.

It was not in the scope of their investigation, as we publicly know it. The scope would have to be changed by Rosenstein. By your logic, the SC could have expanded their scope to investigate Area 51, had Rosenstein amended the scope to include that.

Also, it is possible (though unlikely) the SC did investigate the dossier and that part was redacted on the report and he was banned from discussing ongoing DOJ matters. He couldn't discuss Roger Stone either.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Lol ... They are facts. CNN, NPR, The Hill, Fox News. You ignore it because you want grave a hold of something and spine into why we must keep impeachment alive. So you ignore the big picture. It's over.

Opinion pieces. No DOJ report yet, but a GOP lead House investigation still debunks the dossier being the basis for the Russia/Trump campaign investigation. But alas, it's over anyway. :joy::joy::joy:

 

[Gunny46]

Opinion pieces. No DOJ report yet, but a GOP lead House investigation still debunks the dossier being the basis for the Russia/Trump campaign investigation. But alas, it's over anyway. :joy::joy::joy:

Opinion ... GTFOH :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: ITT and others you have participated in are videos of Comey, Stryok, and Mueller admitting to everything I posted. What's next I dubbed over what they really said.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Opinion ... GTFOH :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: ITT videos of Comey, Stryok, and Mueller admitting to everything I posted. What's next I dubbed over what they really said.

I didn't read or watch any of what you spammed in this thread. I'll be here when the reports are released and indictments are handed out.

 

[Gunny46]

I didn't read or watch any of what you spammed in this thread. I'll be here when the reports are released and indictments are handed out.

Explains your ignorance. It was their Congressional testimony. I dubbed over it. Deepstate like that.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Explains your ignorance. It was their Congressional testimony. I dubbed over it. Deepstate like that.

I'm not the one that believes in fairy tales and conspiracy nonsense. Why does it mean so much for you to get others on your side before the reports and indictments? Just think of how much you can laugh and mock me.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Let's isolate this then:

Trump

• Investigation started with Popadickulious. It was fake investigation from the start. he was approached, he was not trying to connect with the Russians. Went to jail for a process crime. This should have never been investigated, it was fake from the start
• Carter Paige- same as above- lost his career over it. This should have never been investigated, it was fake from the start
• Trump Tower- Moscow- Said it was about 100's of millions for Trump. The story was that Trump ran for President to get this deal done. The real story is that he was to get royalties which might have maxed 10 million over time. Trump never wanted to build there, he was just hoping his brand was on the the property. This caught Manafort and Cohen for crimes not associated with the deal. I can see where this would draw attention and should have been looked into. Trump was not involved with he financing of the project, he was there to brand the project. Given what has happened to date, do you Trump will ever do business within Russia?
• M. Flynn- 0% to do with Russia. This should have never been investigated as it was separate from the Russian narrative.
• Trump Tower meeting-This is big one. Trump took a meeting with known Russians to get dirt on Clinton. It was a set up from the start, but they did take the meeting. Should have been investigated, and it was. What was omitted from the report was that the Russians actually met with Clinton's campaign before and after the meeting, yet no mention of that in the report.

Clinton

• The DNC and the Clinton Campaign paid a foreign spy to compile a fake dossier to smear Trump prior to the election. They used the intelligence community to add credibitly so that the MSM would run with it. It worked! The money they spent on the dossier actually went to Russian agents who make up things about Trump. This was not mentioned in the report or investigated until Barr got involved.
• They used the fake dossier to spy on the Trump campaign and us citizens.
• After the election, they used the same dossier to open an investigation into the Trump campaign. This was not mentioned in the report

LMAO

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

I saw an old man who could not remember the dossier and had no clue of the political conflicts of interest of the staff he hired. Inexcusable and he totally destroyed the credibility of the one sided investigation. Even the fake news knew it immediately. Best day ever in recent GOP history. Time to prosecute some real snakes and alligators. Drain the swamp.

Let’s start with Wilbur Ross

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

He was supposed to investigate all Russian attempts to "interfere" in the election. Misfud's disinformation certainly gained the attention of the FBI who thought a member of Trump's campaign had been "targeted" by Russians. So much so that they requested a FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page.

How that dossier, Misfud, or Page escaped enhanced scrutiny from Mueller or his team is something "I'm not ready to get into". [eyeroll]

I guess nobody is buying your Buicks today.......

 

[Gunny46]

I'm not the one that believes in fairy tales and conspiracy nonsense. Why does it mean so much for you to get others on your side before the reports and indictments? Just think of how much you can laugh and mock me.

John Durham the U.S. Prosecuting Attorney. Not John Durham the meter maid. But you keep dismissing people as conspiracy nuts. Joseph Goebbels would be proud. Nothing like mudding up the water when a narrative is going your way.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

John Durham the U.S. Prosecuting Attorney. Not John Durham the meter maid. But you keep dismissing people as conspiracy nuts. Joseph Goebbels would be proud. Nothing like mudding up the water when a narrative is going your way.

Prosecuting attorneys do none prosecutorial work all the time, but I don't consider that a conspiracy theory. Just a lack of understanding. Comparing a lowly message board poster to Joseph Goebbels is

Don't be so rattled. Your reports and indictments are on their way.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

John Durham the U.S. Prosecuting Attorney. Not John Durham the meter maid. But you keep dismissing people as conspiracy nuts. Joseph Goebbels would be proud. Nothing like mudding up the water when a narrative is going your way.

Where did you find this 2nd grade nonsense you keep posting ......John Durham the meter maid. It’s like the kid who hears a new term, thinks its funny and keeps repeating it. It isn’t funny.

 

[Gunny46]

Prosecuting attorneys do none prosecutorial work all the time, but I don't consider that a conspiracy theory. Just a lack of understanding. Comparing a lowly message board poster to Joseph Goebbels is

Don't be so rattled. Your reports and indictments are on their way.

Lol ... not rattled actually I'm tipping my hat on how you picked one key topic that will not matter once the truth that is being investigated comes out. All that today to muddy up the waters and keep the dream of impeachment alive. Bravo Sir ! Well played !!!

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Lol ... not rattled actually I'm tipping my hat on how you picked one key topic that will not matter once the truth that is being investigated comes out. All that today to muddy up the waters and keep the dream of impeachment alive. Bravo Sir ! Well played !!!

I'm under no illusions of impeachment. Have said so many times. I did nothing to muddy the waters (whatever the f that means). I honestly have no pull at the DOJ. Just answering some questions people ITT were talking about.

 

[Gunny46]

Where did you find this 2nd grade nonsense you keep posting ......John Durham the meter maid. It’s like the kid who hears a new term, thinks its funny and keeps repeating it. It isn’t funny.

Maybe go read through the whole thread before displaying your ignorance. Start with the one below. It's a continuous of this one. You know start a new thread because that one was devastating.

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals.com/threads/mueller-is-a-complete-buffoon.207195/

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Maybe go read through the whole thread before displaying your ignorance. Start with the one below. It's a continuous of this one. You know start a new thread because that one was devastating.

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals.com/threads/mueller-is-a-complete-buffoon.207195/

Specifically I was referring to your silly saying that you have worn the **** out

 

[Gunny46]

I'm under no illusions of impeachment. Have said so many times. I did nothing to muddy the waters (whatever the f that means). I honestly have no pull at the DOJ. Just answering some questions people ITT were talking about.

Your answers contradict Comey, Stryok, and Mueller's testimony and interviews. Why ? Doesn't fit the narrative. That's why. You're fun to debate. Keep up the resistance. :wink:

 

[Gunny46]

Specifically I was referring to your silly saying that you have worn the **** out

Like your tribes silly saying it's only a review.

investigation
[ in-ves-ti-gey-shuhn ]SEE DEFINITION OF investigation

• analysis
• case
• examination
• hearing
• inquiry
• inspection
• probe
• research
• review
• scrutiny
• search
• study
• survey
• exploration
• gander
• hustle
• inquest
• inquisition
• observation
• pike
• quest
• quiz
• sounding
• surveying
• delving
• fact-finding
• legwork
• observing
• probing

 

[Pospecteer]

It was not in the scope of their investigation, as we publicly know it. The scope would have to be changed by Rosenstein. By your logic, the SC could have expanded their scope to investigate Area 51, had Rosenstein amended the scope to include that.

Also, it is possible (though unlikely) the SC did investigate the dossier and that part was redacted on the report and he was banned from discussing ongoing DOJ matters. He couldn't discuss Roger Stone either.

Just want to stick to the facts. You have been hanging your hat on scope, that has now been debunked. My job is done here.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Your answers contradict Comey, Stryok, and Mueller's testimony and interviews. Why ? Doesn't fit the narrative. That's why. You're fun to debate. Keep up the resistance. :wink:

Resistance can only last until the reports are released and indictments are handed out.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Just want to stick to the facts. You have been hanging your hat on scope, that has now been debunked. My job is done here.

lol. It hasn't been, but I'm glad that your job for the day is done.

 

[Pospecteer]

lol. It hasn't been, but I'm glad that was your job for the day is done.

yes you have. Since Wed, you have been all over it.