They have been caught but no one would cooperate so NCAA said no punishment. UNC was caught but no punishment.
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They have been caught but no one would cooperate so NCAA said no punishment. UNC was caught but no punishment.
If we don’t get Zion, who is better then all of them, it’s because PJ and Vanderbilt are still here which would probably be good for us.
I don't think players aren't developed at Duke. I think the emphasis is just different than at UK. Personally I wish Duke really did focus on D. Would mean a lot fewer burn outs.
Yeah, UK guys are better represented in the NBA, but that has little to do with UK. Cal targets athletes, K targets skill. Skill guys can't develop athleticism, so they'll never excel in today's NBA. Some athletes can develop skill. The ones who do turn into superstars, like Davis and Towns. Tyus Jones or Okafor were never going to be superstars, even if they had gone to UK.
Cam is a special talent. With that said I love our signees. Everyone of them can score at the next level. We might even see a couple of them play two years.
I was one of those guys... I still think he's best in class...Can do it all......would take him over Barrett in any day
Do you watch the international games they played in? Reddish was average at best while Barrett was the unanimous MVP. No contest who was/is best.
I'd take Zion over either though...
Oh please. Only in Duke land do these types of players come back. What's Allen got to do with it? He's not remotely close to these types of OAD's.
Duke fans thought Jones might return. They thought Rivers might return. They thought Irving probably would return. And on and on and on.
You don't seem to understand that K cannot hold these guys up if they want to land them. He sold out to the OAD.
Carter is gone.
Duval is gone.
Trent is gone.
Bagley is gone now.
Can you give me one recruit since K has thrown his hat into the guaranteed OAD arena that has returned? I'll answer that for you, no, you can't. Only guys like Jefferson and Bolden who no one really thought were OAD's to begin with.
Sleep easy on that.
I actually expressed my fear of this years ago. Duke is getting a Nike push right now, the NCAA is going to be pushing Duke, and it's all about money and K's going out party. They are hot right now solely due to that. They could easily sign more and have a crazy run over the next 2 years. These things are contagious as we've already seen.
Oh give me a f'n break. Every Duke fan, and that includes espn and college basketball analyst, thought Okafor wasn't only a sure fire NBA stud, but that he was clearly the best player in the class. They promoted him for the entire year.
And once again, Cals big is the one who became the star.
Cal has the record of revolutionary change for the better with OAD's, and the ammo of their future to back it up. The only reason you're seeing a few at the top go to Duke, is because of Nike. I have absolutely no doubt. Duke was actually seen as hostile to that group, and K just suddenly turns on a light switch and lands Cousins and Wall, and does it over the creator of the system that is their perfect match?
Lol. In your world maybe.
Thank Nike and the NCAA for pushing these guys toward Duke and giving you momentum. It will swing right back once Duke loses its program, the day K retires. You've got a small window.
Mmm you think that Cousins, Murray, Booker, Ulis etc etc are all just a bunch of freak athletes huh, with very little skill?
Missing the point. Was Allen not a projected 1st rounder 2 years ago??? YES HE WAS. Why stay unless someone convinces you to. You dont think he pushed out Frank Jackson cause he had to sell playing time to Duval and Trent?
My argument is this.. I dont think Carter is a sure fire lottery pick. To many bigs better than him. Having said that, if Duke is lacking front court men next year, he will push for Carter to stay. There is only 1 coach who means what he says by PLAYERS FIRST, and that is coach Cal. Allen could of been a 1st rd pick, MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT.. and hes a senior at Duke. If he was at Kentucky, Cal sacrifices WINS for getting his guys paid at the next level. We see where Carter is projected at the end of the year. And if Duke needs front court players, Coach K will want him to stay. That is my argument, dont get it twisted big boy
Come at me bro.
YOU are missing the point. Rat will try and keep the mice in the nest. But with these types of recruits, he can't do it.
Allen is NOT one of those players. I don't care where he was positioned, he was never thought to be a 9 month guy at Duke, and that's what we're talking about.
Carter is gone, Trent is gone, Duval is gone, Bagley was gone last year.
All believed to be a OAD.
He will surely try and quietly keep guys and hold some guys back, but if he tries that with those four, he's going to slow his recruiting down himself. I just don't see it bro.
Because I'm smart and I pay attention to what recruiting gurus and insiders have to say.... also this talk about a staff shake up because of recruiting wouldnt be happening if we felt really good about landing a top 5 player..........
Allen was a projected 1st round guy two years ago. If you dont think he was encouraged to "stay" and develop for the sole purpose of making sure Duke stays competitive you are on crack. Allen at UK would be in the NBA getting paid. Carter should be one and done, IM SAYING IF COACH K NEEDS A FRONT COURT PLAYERS FOR NEXT YEAR AND CARTER ISNT PROJECTED LOTTERY HE WILL BE ENCOURAGED TO STAY AND "DEVELOP". Thats all I am saying. There is only ONE real players coach in the NCAA and sure as hell is not coach K.
dont think for a second if Duke needed a PG Frank Jackson would still be at Duke this year.
dont think for a second if Duke needed a PG Frank Jackson would still be at Duke this year.
Gurus and insiders get things wrong on the reg. Reason I asked is because if someone has legit inside information, I'd like to hear it. But going off those who sometimes have good info and sometimes are guessing like the rest of us, and stating something categorically as if they do actually KNOW, is pointless and misleading. I don't care how much people want to guess and state their opinion. I just want to know that is what it is. People on both sides of these decisions can both state definitively that they know what a recruit is going to do, but one will be wrong. But of course there is no consequence to it, so why not, right?
When have you ever looked at this list and See Vanderbilt with 2 prospects rated higher than our highest commit lol. That is strange for sure.
It is kinda funny that there is a two page thread arguing about which Duke recruit is the Number 1 player.
What i cant seem to firgure out is how Keldon johnson is at #15. After his team USA stuff they said he was more than likely a sure fire top 10? I dont get it...I guess him not exploding for any huge games this season played a role in it?
Should we fell special that dukie fans are constantly looking for our approval on our home board ?
Did Darth Maul tell you this when you met with him on the balcony and discussed the Sith plans for taking over the galaxy? Yeah, laugh at folks when you offer nothing substantial yourself. That's awesome.
Put your money where your mouth is. 100$ bet that Zion doesnt end up at UK. You game or are you all mouth?
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I'll bet my posting rights for six months if the school of your choice is chosen over Kentucky. You still haven't predicted a school for Zion, just a "I'll bet the field" over Kentucky theme.
So yeah, I'm willing to stake my posting rights for 6 months. If I win, I'll only require you to stop posting for a week. Kind of lopsided, but I'm game.
That said, you're the one who still hasn't made a school prediction for Zion. Where do you think he'll go? Start with that, and we can actually have a discussion. Betting the field against Kentucky is absurd as far as bets go.
Coach K will definitely try and return someone. Will it work, I doubt it.. but you never know. I think all their freshman are playing well enough to warrnt leaving.
And as usual, their recruiting is kind of concentrated. They have two 6'7" wings next year, who are super elite scorers and offensive players.. but can they co-exist? And what about their front court? What about leadership with Allen gone?
I can't see Zion going to the same school as Reddish and RJ. That would make no sense unless K is doing something nefarious. Zion has nothing to gain (aside from a possible title with those 3) by going to a school where he'll rarely see the ball.
And as usual, their recruiting is kind of concentrated. They have two 6'7" wings next year, who are super elite scorers and offensive players.. but can they co-exist? And what about their front court? What about leadership with Allen gone?
I can't see Zion going to the same school as Reddish and RJ. That would make no sense unless K is doing something nefarious. Zion has nothing to gain (aside from a possible title with those 3) by going to a school where he'll rarely see the ball.
Posting rights? You think I'm an idiot? either this is a 2nd account of yours or you dont post much anyways by your extremely low post count. 54 posts in two years.... yeah this bet would really be fair..... you're missing out on 14 posts and I'd be missing out on hundreds.
He'll pick Clemson........ just come back and post an apology to me when when it happens
Few comments.
1. K is underrated as a defensive coach. His system requires multiple years to learn, though. Also, he is use to having a couple of Matt Jones and Amile Jefferson type players to offset the Allen type players that can't guard fence post. So, add offensive minded Freshmen who don't have time to learn the defensive system to an offensive minded Senior who just doesn't have the skill to play effective defense at this level, and you have a poor defensive team. By March, they will be better, but how much better is the question.
2. Have to disagree about Okafor, to a certain extent. I think under Cal (and more importantly Payne) he would have been better. Now, his attitude is part of the problem, but that's probably one reason why he chose Duke over UK. Lack of a work ethic. Physically, Okafor had everything working in his favor. If he was better between the ears, he would already be an All-Star, IMHO.
In the back of my mind I was wondering if Dukes "Nike Push" had something to do with Cal not playing in the Phil Knight tournament.
Duke is going to be extremely young next season. No Seniors. A couple of Juniors who aren't that good. A few 3 to 4-star Sophs, plus Barrett, Reddish, and Jones. If K cries hard enough, maybe Trent comes back, but he probably leaves as well with those three at the 1-3 spots he would be pushed to the 4. They probably get Bacot to reclass.
Most likely they will look like this:
G Jones
G Reddish
G Barrett
F DeLaurier or Bacot
F Bolden
Bench: Tucker, Goldwire, O'Connell, White, DeLaurier or Bacot.
Great guards, but weak inside. Very, very young. Barrett and Reddish will get what they want- all the shots.
Most likely they will look like this:
G Jones
G Reddish
G Barrett
F DeLaurier or Bacot
F Bolden
Bench: Tucker, Goldwire, O'Connell, White, DeLaurier or Bacot.
Great guards, but weak inside. Very, very young. Barrett and Reddish will get what they want- all the shots.
LOL!
You never know. Never put anything past K, the way he has been recruiting.
Williamson slides into the 4 spot, of course. They become deadly on offense, but still so young. Williamson definitely fills the hole in the middle of the offense.
I don't see you guys winning the title with that team, though. Just not enough experience for a Coach K team.
Duke is extremely young this year........ and they are only 7 deep. those two factors arent going to hinder a great coach like K.... Lets just admit that we have to hope for chemistry problems for Duke to not be really good.... I mean last year....... the year with rivers....... chemistry problems is known to happen there... so lets hope