Anyone else feel like Cam was better as a lighter, faster,somewhat undersized, linebacker? It seems like, while still a very good SEC LB, he has gotten a little slow with the added weight. I may be wrong though. What do you guys think?
Cam Lawrence
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I think he was better when Fletcher Cox was taking on double teams. Great DTs make good LBs look great.
I Agree
It definatley helps when you dont have 2 lineman coming free to block you on every play. The Dline has gotten 0 pressure this year.
It definatley helps when you dont have 2 lineman coming free to block you on every play. The Dline has gotten 0 pressure this year.
Just a thought....:
Could it be that we have not used many blitz schemes and packages all year and now when we are finally running them against other teams at game speed we are a bit rusty? We should have had McCarron for a sack a few times but we wiffed in the backfield.
Our cute defensive strategies against inferior foes was to sit back, rush only the 4 D lineman, and not give up the HR. now we are playing better competition and having to dial up more creative plays that we barely used the first 7 games. You can't come out against the nations best team and expect things to work you haven't really run all year. We had holes to blitz thorough sat night but we couldn't complete the play.
Game speed is a lot different than practice speed. You can say that you're practicing at game speed but nothing can emulate actual games. Then throw on top of that the best team in the country and that's what you get.
Could it be that we have not used many blitz schemes and packages all year and now when we are finally running them against other teams at game speed we are a bit rusty? We should have had McCarron for a sack a few times but we wiffed in the backfield.
Our cute defensive strategies against inferior foes was to sit back, rush only the 4 D lineman, and not give up the HR. now we are playing better competition and having to dial up more creative plays that we barely used the first 7 games. You can't come out against the nations best team and expect things to work you haven't really run all year. We had holes to blitz thorough sat night but we couldn't complete the play.
Game speed is a lot different than practice speed. You can say that you're practicing at game speed but nothing can emulate actual games. Then throw on top of that the best team in the country and that's what you get.
"better" is relative I guess. He was never that good. Tackle totals don't mean jack, especially when you have a nfl 1st rounder in front of you.
Can is a guesser. He guesses on plays, and on tackles. When he guesses right he looks like an All-American. When he doesn't, which is the usual result, he is out of position/he whiffs. He probably leads all SEC LBs in whiffs. I guess some fans only notice the former.
That having been said, still glad to have him. He is probably better than our backup, and serviceable ain't bad. But the hype has done him a disservice.
Can is a guesser. He guesses on plays, and on tackles. When he guesses right he looks like an All-American. When he doesn't, which is the usual result, he is out of position/he whiffs. He probably leads all SEC LBs in whiffs. I guess some fans only notice the former.
That having been said, still glad to have him. He is probably better than our backup, and serviceable ain't bad. But the hype has done him a disservice.
You are not alone and I've caught flack...
From people in my section when I call him out during the games. They seem to overlook the fact that he looks lost on just about every pass play he defends. He's routinely running the opposite way from where the ball is on pass plays.
From people in my section when I call him out during the games. They seem to overlook the fact that he looks lost on just about every pass play he defends. He's routinely running the opposite way from where the ball is on pass plays.
OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCES FROM WEEK 9 :LB CAMERON LAWRENCE (Mississippi State)
LB CAMERON LAWRENCE (Mississippi State) -- Had game-high 10 total tackles with a sack and another tackle for loss.
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LB CAMERON LAWRENCE (Mississippi State) -- Had game-high 10 total tackles with a sack and another tackle for loss.
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Easy to tackle when all you have to do is hang on when they run through/right by
You. He's a damn LB for God's sake. He's supposed to have a ton of tackles. He either rolls the dice correctly on the play, or looks completely lost. He is out of position more plays than he should be.
Watch him closely on plays that aren't run directly at him. You will see what I'm talking about.
You. He's a damn LB for God's sake. He's supposed to have a ton of tackles. He either rolls the dice correctly on the play, or looks completely lost. He is out of position more plays than he should be.
Watch him closely on plays that aren't run directly at him. You will see what I'm talking about.
Is this the same guy You are talking about? Yeah He Sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsMFBQVU6xY
Here are couple plays by Cameron Lawrence, Yeah he should not even be on the field with real linebackers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsMFBQVU6xY
Here are couple plays by Cameron Lawrence, Yeah he should not even be on the field with real linebackers.
Yeah , He is bad and guesses at every play. He guesed at 123 tackles last year
Guessed at 2 interceptions also and he guessed at a force fumble too. He shouldn't even be in the SEC. Just look at this crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scOUCsrciWo&feature=channel&list=UL
Guessed at 2 interceptions also and he guessed at a force fumble too. He shouldn't even be in the SEC. Just look at this crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scOUCsrciWo&feature=channel&list=UL
Is that why he is tied for 1st on the team in tackles? Is that why he is 2nd on the team in sacks? Is he first on the team in tackles for loss because he is completely lost?
In case you didn't know, he isn't the only LB on the team, so "he's a damn LB for God's sake" doesn't explain any of the above. Since all he does is roll the dice and guess, maybe he is just the luckiest person on the team?
I'm not saying he is first rounder but lets shelf this "he is completely lost much of the time and just guesses all game" crap. I'm sorry, you don't get 123 tackles and follow it up with the stats this year by guessing and being completely lost the rest of the game.
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You also don't get 123 tackles by being an awesome LB who can't shed a block. You'd get blocked too often to make a play. You get 123 tackles being a LB who can't shed a block by being a safety playing LB who gets a lot of secondary tackles. For example, besides the sack, the only other real tackle I saw Cam make Saturday was when he ran down the RB from behind on a 10+ yd play. A good LB is in front of him and stops him for a 3-4 yd gain. A decent LB meets him but let's him fall forward for a 7yd gain. A bad LB has to run him down from behind because he was out of position. But guess what, they all get credit for a tackle. And an undersized LB, by nature of speed and playing in the middle of the D, going to most often be the second man in on a tackle.
Another example: two weeks ago I saw Boyd meet the RB in the hole and stand him up. cam came in and jumped on the RB's back while Boyd had him stood up. Cam got credit for the tackle. He gets tons of those.
Another example: two weeks ago I saw Boyd meet the RB in the hole and stand him up. cam came in and jumped on the RB's back while Boyd had him stood up. Cam got credit for the tackle. He gets tons of those.
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Yeah look at him here, I will be first to sign petion to get him off the team and let him go on to the NFL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGnfxd9YNQU he doesnt help team at all, we would have beaten Bama if not for him.
Great LB play is aided by great DL play
Cam is a little overrated in my book, but he plays hard. You can use about every whiteboy cliche in the book to describe him. He gets a lot of tackles because he is a high motor guy and plays smart. Unfortunately, his motor is all he's got. If he was 10% bigger and faster, we would be putting him the Chris White category. Unfortunately, he's not. But make no mistake about it, he helps lead our front 7 when they are on the field. He is our field general. We've all seen him lineup players in the right spot and call out where the play is going.
Secondly, our DL isn't protecting any of our LBs. I think Benardick will eventually be a beast, but right now he not Cam are not getting any help. Last year, Cam was protected by Fletcher. We don't have a guy doing that this year. OL and FBs are getting to the second level too easily.
Cam is a little overrated in my book, but he plays hard. You can use about every whiteboy cliche in the book to describe him. He gets a lot of tackles because he is a high motor guy and plays smart. Unfortunately, his motor is all he's got. If he was 10% bigger and faster, we would be putting him the Chris White category. Unfortunately, he's not. But make no mistake about it, he helps lead our front 7 when they are on the field. He is our field general. We've all seen him lineup players in the right spot and call out where the play is going.
Secondly, our DL isn't protecting any of our LBs. I think Benardick will eventually be a beast, but right now he not Cam are not getting any help. Last year, Cam was protected by Fletcher. We don't have a guy doing that this year. OL and FBs are getting to the second level too easily.
Slow as in Average NFL linebacker speed slow
I bet my arse, if you ask his Coach's what Camerons speed is, they will tell you he is plenty fast. Better yet Ask the NFL linebackers he has played with, if he is fast enough for NFL. Ill bet more body parts, that they will say the same. I may be wrong myself, but i Truly Believe, not like some of our fans do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scOUCsrciWo Look here how slow he is vs Middle TN, 2012 .
I bet my arse, if you ask his Coach's what Camerons speed is, they will tell you he is plenty fast. Better yet Ask the NFL linebackers he has played with, if he is fast enough for NFL. Ill bet more body parts, that they will say the same. I may be wrong myself, but i Truly Believe, not like some of our fans do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scOUCsrciWo Look here how slow he is vs Middle TN, 2012 .
Please watch him on every play, even those he isn't piling in on getting...
A tackle. Repeatedly the pass will be completed in another area of the field from him and his great awareness forces him to continue to run away from the play in coverage. He gets a lot of tackles on the run because 80% of the opponents run plays are right at or within a few yards of where he's lined up on the damn play. If he couldn't slide a few yards and hang on he wouldn't have that many tackles.
He will make one great play on a blitz (play call) or guess, but then look lost and be completely out of position the next.
The TOP 4 TACKLERS on the team are LB's which proves my point. That's what they do. Hell Cam, Benardrick, and Nickoe all have the same amount of solo tackles this year. McKinney and Cam have same amount of assists (tackles) because they mainly play in the middle of the field. Hence where most run plays take place.
Last year Cam was tied with Charles Mitchell with 50 solo tackled. Banks had 46 and Wilson 43. Cam accumulated "73" assists (group tackles) that went into his stats. Because....... He plays in middle of field. I'd sure hope he could pile on that many times since he's within arms distance of a ****-ton of tackles.
Point being, some of you only see what you want to see. And when looking at total tackles you can back up what you'd like to believe without really looking into the stats or watching cam play the actual game.
Any middle LB is going to have a ton of tackles. At least I'd hope so. But that doesn't mean Cam isnt completely out of posotion, not knowing which way is up on a good bit of plays during the game.
A tackle. Repeatedly the pass will be completed in another area of the field from him and his great awareness forces him to continue to run away from the play in coverage. He gets a lot of tackles on the run because 80% of the opponents run plays are right at or within a few yards of where he's lined up on the damn play. If he couldn't slide a few yards and hang on he wouldn't have that many tackles.
He will make one great play on a blitz (play call) or guess, but then look lost and be completely out of position the next.
The TOP 4 TACKLERS on the team are LB's which proves my point. That's what they do. Hell Cam, Benardrick, and Nickoe all have the same amount of solo tackles this year. McKinney and Cam have same amount of assists (tackles) because they mainly play in the middle of the field. Hence where most run plays take place.
Last year Cam was tied with Charles Mitchell with 50 solo tackled. Banks had 46 and Wilson 43. Cam accumulated "73" assists (group tackles) that went into his stats. Because....... He plays in middle of field. I'd sure hope he could pile on that many times since he's within arms distance of a ****-ton of tackles.
Point being, some of you only see what you want to see. And when looking at total tackles you can back up what you'd like to believe without really looking into the stats or watching cam play the actual game.
Any middle LB is going to have a ton of tackles. At least I'd hope so. But that doesn't mean Cam isnt completely out of posotion, not knowing which way is up on a good bit of plays during the game.
You're right, but there's no point in complaining about it now. He is what he is. Five more games and he won't be here any longer.
Wilson needs to bring the heat
Diaz used to blitz your tits off. Wilson wants to try and drop everyone in coverage and when a QB has all day to throw he will eventually find an open reciever no matter how many you drop into coverage. We need to blitz more and force Qb to make quick decisions
Diaz used to blitz your tits off. Wilson wants to try and drop everyone in coverage and when a QB has all day to throw he will eventually find an open reciever no matter how many you drop into coverage. We need to blitz more and force Qb to make quick decisions
Out of Position? are you kidding? He single handedly aligns our entire defense. He is so good at it that other teams have accused him of knowing their plays and signals. And how do you know correct alignment. You probably know nothing of football schemes.
Yep you caught me. I'm a bear that just attends 10+ MSU games a year...
I actually get to watch the games in person and see Cam every play, when cameras aren't on him. He's out of position on a lot of plays, mainly passing. Our defense plays with more of 2 middle LB's, with the other LB playing outside, dictated by offense. We usually have safety support to on run (Nickoe - hybrid DB/LB). Cam is not rangy or our best LB, but he is serviceable.
I actually get to watch the games in person and see Cam every play, when cameras aren't on him. He's out of position on a lot of plays, mainly passing. Our defense plays with more of 2 middle LB's, with the other LB playing outside, dictated by offense. We usually have safety support to on run (Nickoe - hybrid DB/LB). Cam is not rangy or our best LB, but he is serviceable.
Rouge is right - even though it is better to watch "the front 7" with replay on TIVO to make this type of point.
When you have a safety as one of your leading tacklers, that is not a badge of honor.
Out of position - just as much as anyone else. Being outside the box is easier to spot. He did clearly miss his assignment on Bama's 3rd TD. He does gamble a lot - admittedly.
Cam Lawrence made his tackles as the Mike LB last year. He's great at meeting the back in the hole (something that McKinney has not learned to do). He's not great at (zone) pass coverage. If he went back inside, he'd set the world on fire again. But does it that help our defense or prepare for the future? I compare his move outise to Mario Haggan's move outside in 2001.
Don't drink the Cam kool-aid so fast. He has his faults. But we can say that his head and heart help him exceed his natural ability.
Is this the guy that shaved off all but the back patch just above his neck? Like he just needs to braid it to have a fully shaved head + a rat tail.
I find it hilarious, that the video you linked starts with Cam nearly whiffing on a tackle of MTSU's QB. He only stopped him by holding onto his shoelaces. That arm-tackle **** don't play in the SEC, you gotta square up and bring the thunder. Cam doesn't have that. He's not worthless, Holmes has gotten some series lately but hasn't been any better, but a D that relies on a LB like that better have a couple NFL 1st-round DTs, or they're gonna be giving up a lot of 5+ yd runs up the middle. Oh wait, guess what problem our D has had this year?
But some fans don't notice things like that. Some only notice the sack, and not the near-missed tackle (missed tackle in SEC play) right before (and probably right after). Cam has value, and he's done more with less physical gifts than most D1 players and should be praised for that, but he's an average SEC LB at best. hyping him as more than that is just ridiculous.
But some fans don't notice things like that. Some only notice the sack, and not the near-missed tackle (missed tackle in SEC play) right before (and probably right after). Cam has value, and he's done more with less physical gifts than most D1 players and should be praised for that, but he's an average SEC LB at best. hyping him as more than that is just ridiculous.
Take Cam's cock out of your mouth for a second and read what I said. You're the only over-dramatic 17er that is acting like anybody wants him off the team....****. I said he was very good, I just felt he had slowed down a little with the added weight. Nobody wants to kick him off the team drama queen.
ETA: By the way, you can say "***" on here
Hard to take someone serious that doesn't know difference between QB and RB.
Unless it's actually the QB handing the ball off to another QB, then you would be correct. And Cam actually did exactly what he needed to. The run was designed to go to the outside. Cam took that away and forced him back inside and then still made the tackle.
Unless it's actually the QB handing the ball off to another QB, then you would be correct. And Cam actually did exactly what he needed to. The run was designed to go to the outside. Cam took that away and forced him back inside and then still made the tackle.
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