Cal's offense

KyFaninNC

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Yeah, see, here's one of the great myths of the Cal era right here.

If anything John Calipari is too invested in set plays.

That stuff you see when Cal's over there screaming from the sideline is an attempt to break them out of AAU ball? That's essentially "get it into the set." It happens all. The. Time.

I tend to think UK is often better when we're moving it up and down the floor and looking to score quick. I like Cal but I think he overcoaches at times and he has a penchant for having his hand too heavily into the flow of the game.
Exactly. What he does is make the the guys start thinking instead of playing. They get confused and then lose confidence. Skal ring a bell?
 

KyFaninNC

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You think maybe it might have something to do with a player being better at 24 than at 18?
Did you think AD could score the one year he was here the way he showed us how he could score the very next year? He was not 24, either.
 
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If Cal has a flaw in his coaching, it's holding back talented big men. Big men who are better in the NBA than at Kentucky.
The only players who were better in college than the NBA are either role players or failures. The best players improve through their careers until age or injuries catch them.
 
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Did you think AD could score the one year he was here the way he showed us how he could score the very next year? He was not 24, either.
His rookie year when he averaged 13 & 8? Or you mean his 2nd year in the league when he averaged 20 & 10 after 2 years of pro strength & conditioning/Skills programs. His 3rd year and up have been his best years continually improving until this season.
 

mashburned

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Yeah, see, here's one of the great myths of the Cal era right here.

If anything John Calipari is too invested in set plays.

That stuff you see when Cal's over there screaming from the sideline is an attempt to break them out of AAU ball? That's essentially "get it into the set." It happens all. The. Time.

I tend to think UK is often better when we're moving it up and down the floor and looking to score quick. I like Cal but I think he overcoaches at times and he has a penchant for having his hand too heavily into the flow of the game.

1000000%

Remember the Bahamas trip last year....all we did was run run run and move the ball.

Fast forward to end of year, all we did was dribble dribble dribble and stand still.

Drives me nuts. Our biggest strength every year is our elite athletes and sometimes our depth. RUN RUN RUN till the other team dies, and then run some more.
 

KyFaninNC

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Our biggest strength every year is our elite athletes and sometimes our depth. RUN RUN RUN till the other team dies, and then run some more.
Remember 2015, we had Wisky bent over panting for breath and KAT was unstoppable, 4 minutes left and what did Cal do? Took the air out, Andrew stands out there, no attempt to get it to Towns, and had 3 shot clock violations. That last 4 minutes is forever imbedded in my head. Biggest choke job I ever saw.
 

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Yeah, see, here's one of the great myths of the Cal era right here.

If anything John Calipari is too invested in set plays.

That stuff you see when Cal's over there screaming from the sideline is an attempt to break them out of AAU ball? That's essentially "get it into the set." It happens all. The. Time.

I tend to think UK is often better when we're moving it up and down the floor and looking to score quick. I like Cal but I think he overcoaches at times and he has a penchant for having his hand too heavily into the flow of the game.
Spot on analysis
 
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littlecreek

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You adjust your offense to your personnel on your team, unless you recruit players to fit your particular offense. In Cal’s case, because of large numbers leaving yearly and relying on freshmen, he has to teach offense every year. The 1978 team was so special because Hall could run any type of offense with that team and they were great at all of them.
 
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KyFaninNC

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With whiners thinking they know more than a HOF coach who made UK the winniest program of the decade! Put up or shut up!
You clowns trying to get someone to prove a negative shows your IQ is lacking. Prove to me why any other coach that had the talent Cal has had would not have at least three titles the last ten years. See if you clowns can prove a negative.
 

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You clowns trying to get someone to prove a negative shows your IQ is lacking. Prove to me why any other coach that had the talent Cal has had would not have at least three titles the last ten years. See if you clowns can prove a negative.
Like I said, prove you can do better or shut up! Your IQ is the one lacking!
 

JohnBlue

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If Cal has a flaw in his coaching, it's holding back talented big men. Big men who are better in the NBA than at Kentucky.

He held two them back so far they were the number one nba draft picks. I sure hope doesn't do that anymore, those years were so bad.
 
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JohnBlue

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Did you think AD could score the one year he was here the way he showed us how he could score the very next year? He was not 24, either.

You're right, after averaging 14.18 ppg as a freshman at UK it was amazing to see the transformation he made in his first NBA season that saw him average 13.5 points per game. Cal was really holding him back...

It's not criticism if you're too lazy to a simple fact check before complaining about nothing. That's called bitching.
 

JohnBlue

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You clowns trying to get someone to prove a negative shows your IQ is lacking. Prove to me why any other coach that had the talent Cal has had would not have at least three titles the last ten years. See if you clowns can prove a negative.

Let me step into the the mod role here first and ask that you knock off the name calling, please.

That said, Cal hasn't gotten all the talent in last ten years and no other coach has won 3 titles in that time period either. You're down playing how hard it is to win a championship. He did win one and had the best team that should have won a second. His teams haven't exactly been bad either as four final fours in that period would prove.

The real question is why isn't any other coach getting that much talent, it's just as much their job to recruit as it is his.
 
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KyFaninNC

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Let me step into the the mod role here first and ask that you knock off the name calling, please.

That said, Cal hasn't gotten all the talent in last ten years and no other coach has won 3 titles in that time period either. You're down playing how hard it is to win a championship. He did win one and had the best team that should have won a second. His teams haven't exactly been bad either as four final fours in that period would prove.

The real question is why isn't any other coach getting that much talent, it's just as much their job to recruit as it is his.
Question for you, does the name calling only apply to me? Another question, do you think Cal coaches to win championships, or prepare guys for the NBA?

You are a great mod, John. But I feel you are biased in this. Others including myself have been called much worse here. I only ask for fairness.
 

JohnBlue

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Name calling applies to everyone of course. I don't see sides so don't assume we pick on one or the other. We ban/warn people every single day and 99% of it is done without anyone knowing about it. I only asked that you stop so that I could join in on the discussion.

Calipari's number one goal is to win games, that includes championships, he told all of us that day one. Just because he works the system (partly as a recruiting tool) and cares for his players doesn't mean he sacrifices wins. I'm not sure anyone has won more games than him since he has been here that really shouldn't even be a question. There is a reason he constantly screaming from the sidelines, he's into trying to win every single game.
 
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KyFaninNC

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Name calling applies to everyone of course. I don't see sides so don't assume we pick on one or the other. We ban/warn people every single day and 99% of it is done without anyone knowing about it. I only asked that you stop so that I could join in on the discussion.

Calipari's number one goal is to win games, that includes championships, he told all of us that day one. Just because he works the system (partly as a recruiting tool) and cares for his players doesn't mean he sacrifices wins. I'm not sure anyone has won more games than him since he has been here that really shouldn't even be a question. There is a reason he constantly screaming from the sidelines, he's into trying to win every single game.
Fair enough. The one thing I have always admired about Cal is the fact that he recruits great kids, and is honestly trying to help them and improve their lives. Admiral trait. It is just my opinion that he focuses more on trying to make their draft status better,and not focusing as hard on actually winning championships for UK. Opinions vary, I guess.

Also as I have stated many, many times, there is no coach that I would rather have than John Calipari, but that don't mean he is above criticism.

Keep up the good work, you mods here do a great job, we are lucky to have such good mods.
 
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EJ stretching the floor? Now there's some beneficial, wishful thinking.
 
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There is a reason he is constantly screaming from the sidelines said:
If screaming won games, Cats would have gone 40-0 several times under Cal.
 
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CatfanMike47

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EJ can do this, if he decides to.
That is he’s already working to gain more weight and if you go back to the Auburn game at Rupp he had some great possessions in it where he came from baseline and scored off of assists from Herro and Hagans
 

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If Cal has a flaw in his coaching, it's holding back talented big men. Big men who are better in the NBA than at Kentucky.

That's the absolute truth. Wonder if that explains why we don't sign many.
 

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Dean Smith would have at least four championships in ten years with the talent Cal has had here.....DOH!!
 

Shaudylo

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Most talented big men put up better numbers in the NBA. More minutes and more space .

To blame that on Cal is silly
 
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You must have been really miserable during the Tubby years then
You clowns trying to get someone to prove a negative shows your IQ is lacking. Prove to me why any other coach that had the talent Cal has had would not have at least three titles the last ten years. See if you clowns can prove a negative.
Ok, Dean Smith coached at UNC for 36 years, he won 2 national championships. He probably had more talent year after year. Also many times he never had to leave the state of NC to get to the finals. Cal will never get the positive press he deserves, to much north bias toward SEC.
 

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Let me step into the the mod role here first and ask that you knock off the name calling, please.

That said, Cal hasn't gotten all the talent in last ten years and no other coach has won 3 titles in that time period either. You're down playing how hard it is to win a championship. He did win one and had the best team that should have won a second. His teams haven't exactly been bad either as four final fours in that period would prove.

The real question is why isn't any other coach getting that much talent, it's just as much their job to recruit as it is his.
I’m hearing a lot of excuses for Cal. A lot. A lot of excuses for what he hasn’t accomplished rather than what he has. Let’s see if it continues.
 
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KyFaninNC

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Ok, Dean Smith coached at UNC for 36 years, he won 2 national championships. He probably had more talent year after year. Also many times he never had to leave the state of NC to get to the finals. Cal will never get the positive press he deserves, to much north bias toward SEC.
Agree 100%. Dean Smith did less with the most talent ever.
 
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